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Subject: 343i's rendition of Forerunners?

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i was wondering what people who were major bungie fans, and know like every piece of knowledge about the halo universe think about 343i rendition of the Forerunners/Prometheans. i think they look cool but once again. i havent read too many of the book or went on adventures through the interwebz to find out all there is to know about halo... im not sure how close they are to how they are supposed to be. so whats your guys thoughts on them?

  • 09.15.2012 3:32 PM PDT

I didn't expect them to be so tall, but their society is envisioned perfectly. We still haven't seen a Forerunner's face though - hopefully that'll come in Halo 4.

  • 09.15.2012 3:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I didn't expect them to be so tall, but their society is envisioned perfectly. We still haven't seen a Forerunner's face though - hopefully that'll come in Halo 4.


This.

Granted, they can range between 6 and 14ft in height. I hope we do see the face of the Didact and Librarian at some point.

  • 09.15.2012 4:17 PM PDT

I think the knights look too much like elites.

  • 09.15.2012 4:57 PM PDT

You mean the ones in Halo Legends and the Terminals in Combat Evolved Aniversary? Those are the only Forerunners we've seen so far. The Knights aren't really Forerunners, not exactly...we don't know what specifically they are yet, so I personally wouldn't be calling them Forerunners until we actually get some canon info on them from the game itself >_> But the Knights do indeed look badass, though personally I think the shell-like thing on their back makes them look rather weird and kinda fat :/ Other than the fat "shell" they look completely like something the Forerunners would make or that they'd wear as armor...right now though I don't think they're actually Forerunners, I think they're just machines, if they're Forerunners at all, then they're probably either cybernetic and/or minds put into machines by the Composer.

  • 09.15.2012 5:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sigma617
I think they look wildly unlike Forerunners.

I will be flamed of course for this, but you did ask for seasoned Bungie fans and I was there when all this conjecture started.

Well, actually since it's been established that Promethean Units are Powered Armor(?) with an [Organic Core{(?)}] perhaps there is room in there for what I imagine to be a traditional Forerunner.

Still, I wish the Promethean Combat Frames were more traditional in what we see of Forerunner technology and structure.

Before anyone tries to call me out on that, I'd like to point out that we've seen Forerunner creations other than their structures that are angular and geometric such as their Keyship and Sentinel Drones.

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  • 09.16.2012 12:06 AM PDT

I'm not a huge fan of 343 making the Forerunners so wildly big after their mutation; 15 feet tall for a Warrior Servant is just silly. The size of a Spartan or an Elite seems more reasonable. As for the Promethean Knights; the whole glowing skull thing and the big top-heavy crab shell shaped back just comes off as goofy.

  • 09.16.2012 12:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617
I think they look wildly unlike Forerunners.


Because we've seen so many of them!

Well, actually since it's been established that Promethean Units are Powered Armor(?) with an [Organic Core{(?)}] perhaps there is room in there for what I imagine to be a traditional Forerunner.

Right, so unless it's how you imagined it to be, it's wrong?

Still, I wish the Promethean Combat Frames were more traditional in what we see of Forerunner technology and structure.

This whole thing has already been justified by BS Angel in the latest Bulletin... We don't even know what the Promethan-Knights are for certain. But we've seen this kind of aesthetic before with the Forerunners - the Gatherer and Strato Sentinel.

The structures themselves in Halo 4 are entirely consistent with what we've seen before, huge cathedrals, spires and all that. There is evidently a reason for the Prometheans being more 'insectoid'.

Before anyone tries to call me out on that, I'd like to point out that we've seen Forerunner creations other than their structures that are angular and geometric such as their Keyship and Sentinel Drones.

And again, we've seen their Gatherers and even this concept by Isaac Hannaford is similar in design to the Promethean-Knights in Halo 4.

Also, they were at war with the Flood for 300 years, in which they'd very likely have picked up visual and functional influences from them - as we can see with their weaponry for example, like with the Scattershot.

  • 09.16.2012 3:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617
I think they look wildly unlike Forerunners.

I will be flamed of course for this, but you did ask for seasoned Bungie fans and I was there when all this conjecture started.

Well, actually since it's been established that Promethean Units are Powered Armor(?) with an [Organic Core{(?)}] perhaps there is room in there for what I imagine to be a traditional Forerunner.

Still, I wish the Promethean Combat Frames were more traditional in what we see of Forerunner technology and structure.


Before anyone tries to call me out on that, I'd like to point out that we've seen Forerunner creations other than their structures that are angular and geometric such as their Keyship and Sentinel Drones.
That's pretty much where I stand as well. I'm more than fine with the Promethean design, just as long as we see something more traditional eventually.

Note: With traditional, I mean something that is understandable that one would relate to after having played CE, 2, or 3. Which is kind of what I've been waiting for, not something completely new/redesign of what I assumed they'd look like, that doesn't interest me, if I wan't to see something completely new I'll simply play another game.

Example of how a Forerunner device/armour could look without keeping to the angular tradition: From the Teminals via Ascendant Justice.

EDIT: Eventually we'll have to see Offensive Bias, I guess that would be satisfying enough.

[Edited on 09.16.2012 4:16 AM PDT]

  • 09.16.2012 4:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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The Prometheans remind me of Warp Spider Exarchs from 40k. Personally, I think that they are quite different from traditional Forerunners who wore those long robes.

  • 09.16.2012 4:57 AM PDT

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The design of the Prometheans doesn't bother me too much. I can't wait to see the Didact.

  • 09.16.2012 5:03 AM PDT

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Well, we haven't really seen actual Forerunners yet, except in Origins and the CEA terminals, and they were always hooded and such.

The Promethean Knights are obviously not detail-to-detail exact copies of the actual Forerunners. Perhaps their height, yes, but Knights seem to be intimidating and something you just wouldn't want to go near.

I like all the mysteries surrounding the Forerunners exact appearance. All these hints and half-facts keep it entertaining.

  • 09.16.2012 5:36 AM PDT

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I would wager a guess that what we've seen of the Prometheans are actually War Sphinxes, not actual Forerunners.

  • 09.16.2012 5:59 AM PDT


Posted by: ME7ALMAR7IAN777
I would wager a guess that what we've seen of the Prometheans are actually War Sphinxes, not actual Forerunners.


A war sphinx was a 20 meter tall/long starfighter/mech thing that could demolish a continent. These may be using a similar technology, in how they preserve their user's personality and consciousness inside them, but these are not sphinxes.

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  • 09.16.2012 6:38 AM PDT

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Between the 3 factions of Forerunners (Builders, Life Workers, Warrior Servants) the Prometheans fit pretty well to what I imagined Warriors would look like.

It may also depend on who made them. Do note that a single Forerunner could construct an entire army if need be. The rank or level of the armor can change appearances dramatically; just look at the monitors, they're not angular. If any of the Knights can cloak, rounded carapaces can change the cloaking effect. The intention for building Requiem may also determine their looks.

  • 09.16.2012 8:27 AM PDT

I thought the Prometheans weren't the Forerunners themselves? IDK, I hope they aren't though. They're ugly IMO.

  • 09.16.2012 1:09 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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Posted by: LordOfBlah51
I thought the Prometheans weren't the Forerunners themselves? IDK, I hope they aren't though. They're ugly IMO.


Prometheans are the highest rate of the Warrior-Servants caste within the Forerunners. They are basically the Spartan's of the Forerunners fighting forces.

Promethean Knights aren't Forerunners themselves, though. They are more like a hybrid between inorganic and organic. Think the Reapers from Mass Effect.

  • 09.16.2012 1:23 PM PDT

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I was expecting something.... more. They are so massive I was expecting a rare opponent that is a true challenge for a Spartan, something akin to a Scarab but in the form of a 12 foot warrior.

I was also expecting a better design. If I sit the Promethean Knight next to classic Halo designs like the Spartan, Elite or Brute they look..... poor. Top-heavy, ugly, and just..... lacking aesthetic balance.

  • 09.16.2012 2:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude
I was expecting something.... more. They are so massive I was expecting a rare opponent that is a true challenge for a Spartan, something akin to a Scarab but in the form of a 12 foot warrior.

I was also expecting a better design. If I sit the Promethean Knight next to classic Halo designs like the Spartan, Elite or Brute they look..... poor. Top-heavy, ugly, and just..... lacking aesthetic balance.


well the actual warrior servants out outclass any race alive that we currently know of. I don't understand your point about the "aesthetic balance" because these are of alien creation. Not everything in the universe would or should appeal to humans,

  • 09.16.2012 2:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: grey101

well the actual warrior servants out outclass any race alive that we currently know of. I don't understand your point about the "aesthetic balance" because these are of alien creation. Not everything in the universe would or should appeal to humans,

But regular elites and Spartans can still kill these guys without too much difficulty. Not commenting on design, eye of the beholder and all that. Not the biggest fan of their design either.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I know and i feel like them being partly mechanical could be twisted as an excuse for that.

  • 09.16.2012 3:59 PM PDT

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My envision was alongside this. They seem so unbalanced in terms of top/bottom heavy. I do like the different classes within each type of forerunner unit. Although, given that they haven't shown everything, I expect some surprises to happen with them in the campaign.
Posted by: flamedude
I was expecting something.... more. They are so massive I was expecting a rare opponent that is a true challenge for a Spartan, something akin to a Scarab but in the form of a 12 foot warrior.

  • 09.16.2012 4:18 PM PDT

I think they're fine.

Personally, before we had any glimpse of them at all (I'm talking H2 era here) I envisioned them to be more or less similar to those aliens with the long necks from Star Wars Ep. 2 (the ones who made the Clones). Vaguely human, yet strange as well.

And that vaguely human part has stayed, just replaced by a more human form with extreme proportions etc.

As for the Prometheans: I suspect what's in there (the organic arms etc make it seem as if there is an organic inside a mech suit) are actual Forerunners...just not the Prometheans we know from the books but a substitute. Perhaps some sort of bio engineered folk bred to better counter the Flood...but perhaps these Prometheans are simply a fabrication of the Builders to have their own army to counter "the" Didact's Prometheans (as I still don't believe the "Ancient Evil" is the Didact we know)

  • 09.17.2012 2:03 AM PDT

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