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Subject: 343i's rendition of Forerunners?

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Did any of you see the terminal in the cryo-bay of the PoA in Combat Evolved Anniversary?

  • 09.17.2012 2:59 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Wolverfrog
I didn't expect them to be so tall, but their society is envisioned perfectly. We still haven't seen a Forerunner's face though - hopefully that'll come in Halo 4.


This.

Granted, they can range between 6 and 14ft in height. I hope we do see the face of the Didact and Librarian at some point.

  • 09.17.2012 5:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: DonVinzone1


As for the Prometheans: I suspect what's in there (the organic arms etc make it seem as if there is an organic inside a mech suit) are actual Forerunners...just not the Prometheans we know from the books but a substitute. Perhaps some sort of bio engineered folk bred to better counter the Flood...


*cough* infected forerunners composed.

  • 09.17.2012 9:36 AM PDT

The Prometheans seem to be one of the following:

1. A Forerunner belonging to the Warrior caste, which we have not seen before.

2. A form of mechanical memory storage inside of a combat worthy vessel, similar to your war sphinx constructs.

3. Forerunner combat AI's, similar to sentinels, but with a much higher capacity for intelligence, like the monitors, or the Mendicant/Offensive Biases.

4. A new race, that has a similar history to the Covenant, having found a Forerunner Artifact(s) (or possibly a Forerunner itself, if the Didact is really tagging along now) and decided to worship it/them, but in a completely different way. Or perhaps a devolved form of the Forerunners, that while having enough to survive, had limited gene pools resulting in devolution.

5. It may be any of 1-3, but also perhaps a separatist faction of the Forerunners, similar to the Elite forces in H3, or the Insurrectionists

However, seeing as there isn't much canon on these guys yet, there isn't much else we can do but speculate till we get more info, and then speculate more, till the games are complete, but we have unfinished story lines, so we speculate till we have the fan accepted conclusions :) which we will probably never achieve seeing as it is human nature to disagree and -blam!- at each other for the sake of it. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It's kinda fun actually :)

  • 09.17.2012 5:40 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
I was expecting something.... more. They are so massive I was expecting a rare opponent that is a true challenge for a Spartan, something akin to a Scarab but in the form of a 12 foot warrior.


Wanted to say that while ya, that is a way of seeing it, maybe that is the role War Sphinxes will play later on, with them being a large heavy hitting vehicle that nukes objects with ridiculous firepower and having mobility and armor to back it up.

And yes, according to canon, your War Sphinx does have to power to nuke a continent (well actually, It's probably something more elegant than a nuke, but it has similar destruction capabilities), but it will be dumbed down if put in the games. EG: Scarabs are supposed to be able to destroy an entire city with minimal effort, but I can kill the one on the Ark with a chopper and a sticky. And the dual Scarabs I killed with a Scorpion and two stickies. not exactly city stopping power when a guy in armor that doesn't protect him from small arms can take you down easy.

  • 09.17.2012 5:48 PM PDT

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I expect a lot from a War Sphinx too..... what I mean is that a Spartan should have a hard time fighting a Promethean the same size as him/herself and so a Promethean that is almost twice the size of a Spartan should be utterly formidable.

From the ways H4 is portraying Prometheans a War Sphinx will be able to be taken down by a Warthog. The scale and capability of the Promethean Knight doesn't match up.

  • 09.17.2012 6:20 PM PDT


Posted by: BubbaBishop021

Posted by: flamedude
I was expecting something.... more. They are so massive I was expecting a rare opponent that is a true challenge for a Spartan, something akin to a Scarab but in the form of a 12 foot warrior.


Wanted to say that while ya, that is a way of seeing it, maybe that is the role War Sphinxes will play later on, with them being a large heavy hitting vehicle that nukes objects with ridiculous firepower and having mobility and armor to back it up.

And yes, according to canon, your War Sphinx does have to power to nuke a continent (well actually, It's probably something more elegant than a nuke, but it has similar destruction capabilities), but it will be dumbed down if put in the games. EG: Scarabs are supposed to be able to destroy an entire city with minimal effort, but I can kill the one on the Ark with a chopper and a sticky. And the dual Scarabs I killed with a Scorpion and two stickies. not exactly city stopping power when a guy in armor that doesn't protect him from small arms can take you down easy.


It will be dumbed down for gameplay, if the Sphinxes are in, but the canonical abilities of the weapon will still stand with gameplay not being canon. Like how small arms actually are useless against MJLONIR, but in game they aren't.

  • 09.17.2012 6:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: BubbaBishop021

Posted by: flamedude
I was expecting something.... more. They are so massive I was expecting a rare opponent that is a true challenge for a Spartan, something akin to a Scarab but in the form of a 12 foot warrior.


Wanted to say that while ya, that is a way of seeing it, maybe that is the role War Sphinxes will play later on, with them being a large heavy hitting vehicle that nukes objects with ridiculous firepower and having mobility and armor to back it up.

And yes, according to canon, your War Sphinx does have to power to nuke a continent (well actually, It's probably something more elegant than a nuke, but it has similar destruction capabilities), but it will be dumbed down if put in the games. EG: Scarabs are supposed to be able to destroy an entire city with minimal effort, but I can kill the one on the Ark with a chopper and a sticky. And the dual Scarabs I killed with a Scorpion and two stickies. not exactly city stopping power when a guy in armor that doesn't protect him from small arms can take you down easy.


It will be dumbed down for gameplay, if the Sphinxes are in, but the canonical abilities of the weapon will still stand with gameplay not being canon. Like how small arms actually are useless against MJLONIR, but in game they aren't.


Fair points. Still, I kinda wish it wasn't so separate. Canonical abilities or not, would Humanity really last that long if outside of gameplay the Covenant had the ability to utterly destroy everything? Spartans couldn't even fight grunts without risk up until the battle of installation 04 because the plasma just raped their armor. and ship battles.... that would be the single most depressing thing to see. Lord Hood's second battle of Harvest would have been a bloodbath, 3:1 ratio or not. It's like every time humanity had a chance of getting wiped out, plot protection stepped in. heck, the only realistic death in my opinion is Kat's.

But that is getting off point. Ya, Prometheans are going to be nerfed for gameplay purposes, but the extent I feel is going to be blaringly obvious, as opposed to the Covenant

  • 09.17.2012 7:08 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: OrderedComa
The Knights aren't really Forerunners, not exactly...we don't know what specifically they are yet, so I personally wouldn't be calling them Forerunners until we actually get some canon info on them from the game itself.


I thought it was fairly obvious and well-known what they are. The Knights, Watchers and Crawlers are Forerunner Promethean-Class Combat Artificial Intelligence Constructs. Called "Promethean Knight" etc because they are controlled by a Promethean Warrior; namely - so far as we can tell - the Didact.

Unless there is some scrap of information that someone can point me (us) to showing that they are more than simple AI Constructs, and more specifically the bit about them having an "Organic Core." The smaller arms aren't actually organic, and if I'm not mistaken then share the same "Joints are magnetic fields holding the pieces together" mechanism.

As for their difficulty, I don't think it will be dumbed down at all. In the last "Behind the Scenes" video on the Prometheans, it was mentioned that the Promethean Knight (the lowest of the Knight tiers,) will be one step more difficult than the highest rank of Elite (Zealot.) So on Heroic (the "canon" difficulty) and Legendary - perhaps even Normal - I have a considerable feeling that the Promethean Knights and succeeding classes will be incredibly formidable.

[Edited on 09.19.2012 1:18 PM PDT]

  • 09.19.2012 1:14 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.


Posted by: DonVinzone1
I think they're fine.

Personally, before we had any glimpse of them at all (I'm talking H2 era here) I envisioned them to be more or less similar to those aliens with the long necks from Star Wars Ep. 2 (the ones who made the Clones). Vaguely human, yet strange as well.

And that vaguely human part has stayed, just replaced by a more human form with extreme proportions etc.

As for the Prometheans: I suspect what's in there (the organic arms etc make it seem as if there is an organic inside a mech suit) are actual Forerunners...just not the Prometheans we know from the books but a substitute. Perhaps some sort of bio engineered folk bred to better counter the Flood...but perhaps these Prometheans are simply a fabrication of the Builders to have their own army to counter "the" Didact's Prometheans (as I still don't believe the "Ancient Evil" is the Didact we know)

Agreed, it seems like the Forerunner-y part of the Knights is that blue skeleton like thing inside of the Knights.

  • 09.19.2012 1:24 PM PDT

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