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Subject: New tricks for bots.
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It is often pointed out that Bots don't learn new tricks, and it wouldn't be fun.

But, what would be sweet is if the bots did learn new tricks. Think about it, if Bungie recorded a little more intricate details of every Halo XBL Game played, then they could have it analyze all the information and make up new stratagies. If the bots could have a collective expirience, they could "learn". Say Bungie has a mega computer that analyses all the data from Bungie.net. It could look at what stratagies the Bots most often win at, what we 'humans' most often leave vulnerable, what the humans trends are, and which ones are most effective and the like. It could formulate a new plan for the bots. Then every month or week on XBL they could do a quick update where the mega computer gives the bots a their new stratagies. Then it would be interesting to see what the bots try. It would be fun to spread around what the bots are trying this week or month. We might even need new stratagies. It would be incredibly fun. It's just a thought.

P.S. I'm not very Computer Smart and I know it probably couldn't work but its still just an idea

[Edited on 6/23/2006]

  • 06.23.2006 2:02 PM PDT
Subject: Bots for Halo 3
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do you want Halo 3 delayed untill 2010 so they can make this mega computer thingie?

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i didnt think so

  • 06.23.2006 2:03 PM PDT
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lol, I said it probably wouldn't work

I'm not even really suggesting this, though I think it'd be cool... its more of a 'what if'

  • 06.23.2006 2:06 PM PDT
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I'm sure Halo 3 will have wonderful AI but playing against Bots has never been like fighting Humans in any game.

This would help Bungie acheive that, I think. The longer Halo 3 is going around on Live the 'smarter' they will become, the more human -like.

Who knows? We might even end up mimicking Bot stratagies, now would that be a scary thought.

  • 06.23.2006 2:15 PM PDT
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There was only one game I ever played where the bots learned from you.
It took hours and hours of playing, but on "James Bond 007: The World Is Not Enough" the bots actuallt started to do stuff that we did. My brother would always play as some chick named Electra and he sucked at the game and when he got made he would grab a grenade launcher and shoot the wall to kill himself. After awhile, we put Electra on as a bot and she did just that.
There was this level where we would jump off a balcony and land on roof, that was the only way there. After a long time (months) of playing, one of the bots started doing that too, and it provided a new challenge. It was one of the few EA did right.

  • 06.23.2006 2:20 PM PDT
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The bot seems to have mimicked the player but the bots would need a combination of mimicking, improving upon, and creating new stratagies. Much like MC's sheilds, they took Covenant technology improved it and added their own bits in.

And the thing about it mimicking your brother suiciding, is that the bot would need to pick stratagies that worked. I don't think mimicking that would help the bot's cause.

  • 06.23.2006 2:53 PM PDT
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Don't look at how hard it would be, just what you think of it if it was.

  • 06.23.2006 3:00 PM PDT
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Maybe, but Bots don't scream in your speaker and talk smack. They don't betray and delevel. They don't suicide for no reason. They don't cheat. They are not little kids who think they are good and scream about how they got a no scope. They don't leave midgame for no reason. They don't go 'afk'. They don't leave to use the bathroom, or eat. They don't betray you for your weapons. They don't make stupid decisions based on things like revenge.

They should have a few set voice things all said by Steve Dowes (I think thats it) Master Chief's voice, or the Elite's voice, depending on their model.

  • 06.23.2006 3:14 PM PDT
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In the words of Han Solo: "Good against remotes is one thing....good against the living thats something else"

  • 06.23.2006 3:17 PM PDT
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Which is what my idea is trying to remedy.

  • 06.23.2006 3:20 PM PDT
Subject: New tricks for bots.

Don’t get mad if I flame you because you cannot spell, or because my three year old has better grammar and etiquette than you.

IF they had a collective experience you would have to be connected to live to get new bot updates, and if you have live you dont need bots.

So really you wouldnt need bots, you could just play MP.

So the best new trick for bots would be NOT TO HAVE THEM!

BA DA CHA!

  • 06.23.2006 3:22 PM PDT
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Forget about bots.

  • 06.23.2006 3:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: marsman0013
IF they had a collective experience you would have to be connected to live to get new bot updates, and if you have live you dont need bots.

So really you wouldnt need bots, you could just play MP.

So the best new trick for bots would be NOT TO HAVE THEM!

BA DA CHA!


Except Halo 3 is for the 360, so people can have free silver accounts and get the updates. Problem solved.

  • 06.23.2006 3:27 PM PDT
Subject: Bots for Halo 3

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Bots ruin games because it gives people an option not to play with other gamers. This is bad because instead of going out and trying to find new people to populate your party with to have a good custom game you can just fill in with bots. Then when you do get tired of them (you will because they have no souls) it will be really hard to try and find people who arent already in a clique of their own.

  • 06.23.2006 3:31 PM PDT
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Sometimes, you just don't have enough people to fill that 16 player requiring game.

If Bungie wants they can give the bots Human like qualities. Corpse Humping, bad mouthing. lol

I'd laugh myself to death if a bot ever humped me.

  • 06.23.2006 3:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: geyah ho
yeah but if youve played any game with bots for an extended period of time you wont like them anymore


I seriously think your speaking out of your ass now..

I keep reffering Perfect Dark 64 cause' the equipment is so primative yet the bots run smoothly.. They go look for good guns and pick them up if you havent first.. most people talk on here as if bots had the same AI as the in game enemy who just walks a pre meditated route and if he catches a glimps of you yells " move em' out" and then runs at you.

Theres been only two games were i like the multiplayer more then the campaign and that is Perfect Dark 64 and Halo 2.

The best thing about the bots in P.D.64 is they have a special trate you can select that makes them unique but of course if you dont want that trace you can simply play with "normal" sims(bots).

Lets hope if they do decide to make bots in multiplayer they ahve enough sence to take a look at what N64 acomplished with PD64..

The only thing that sucks about them is if you camp they camp as well.. so you cant just hide somewhere for too long or else they just wait for you... But then again that can also be considered brilliant

  • 06.23.2006 3:45 PM PDT
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I agree with Archra, halo 3 needs bots. This is on the 360 they should be able to put good bots in. Bungie needs to redifine combat once again... If they can pull this off then it would be a great idea, if not then it would be a bomb. It's a good idea but only if they can do it.

  • 06.23.2006 3:46 PM PDT
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Then the 'mega computer' would need to formulate a bunch of stratagies for all situations.

Range situations, Overall situations, Certain rule situations, weapons v other weapons situations, Gametypes.

Everything.

  • 06.23.2006 3:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Archra
Sometimes, you just don't have enough people to fill that 16 player requiring game.
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I think bots online(matchmaking) would be pretty stupid but in custom games it would be okay.


Posted by: Archra.

If Bungie wants they can give the bots Human like qualities. Corpse Humping, bad mouthing. lol
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I hate it when people talk crap, yell and use racist remarks. Why in the world would you want to ruin your single multiplayer expierience by having your bot act like if hes 12 years old?

Bots would be awesome if done right.

  • 06.23.2006 3:53 PM PDT

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