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Subject: the AR takes no skill
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This guy couldnt be more wrong. The AR takes skill to use properly- and its the best weapon ever.

  • 06.24.2006 4:38 AM PDT
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I read through this flamed up thread, and I think that the AR was pretty much useless in Multi, along with the plasma rifle. To say that it overpowered/requires no skill is completely idiotic. If you can use the AR in Halo 1 and consistently kick ass with it against good opponents, then you are definately not lacking in skill.


  • 06.24.2006 5:32 AM PDT
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in H1 i always used the AR, i never really liked the pistol just because its too overpowered, the AR was meant to be a main weapon, but since the pistol was so strong, it turned into the main weapon. pistols in my opinion are meant to be used as a last resort never as a main fire arm. and i always used the AR for multiplayer and i could kill someone from almost 3/4 the range of the pistol. the AR to me takes more skill than the pistol.

  • 06.24.2006 5:44 AM PDT
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Plasma rifle useless??? The plasma rifle freezes a target in multiplayer to the point where they literally can't aim at you if you get them from behind. Close the distance and whack 'em. It works great against vehicles too. A hog trying to run you over? Spray the plasma rifle at it while strafing and the driver won't be able to steer the vehicle toward you. Plus it drains shields extremely well.

Tha plasma rifle in Halo 2 is pretty much useless if you ask me usless you duel wield.

  • 06.24.2006 5:46 AM PDT
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Just to clarify something, the AR takes 16 body shots to kill. An SMG takes 25. Therefore, dual weilded SMGs takes 12.5 shots to kill. So, basically, the SMG is not as good as the AR, and dual SMGs is only slightly better.

  • 06.24.2006 5:50 AM PDT
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Slightly better at the cost of grenades and reload times.

  • 06.24.2006 5:53 AM PDT
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It's an Assault Rifle. That is it's purpose. To be easy to use and overpowering in an combat situation. What would you expect?

Suck it up dude.

The Allies during WWII had it way worse then you when the Germans pulled out the MG-42.

  • 06.24.2006 6:17 AM PDT

I'm so freakin tired of hearing what takes "skill" and what doesn't. Go develop your own game man!

  • 06.24.2006 6:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Seven7h
What would you have it as?

Countless whiners have ceaselessly complained that it is Halo 2 that takes no "skill", such as auto-aim, "spray and pray"(that, is one of the most dumbest phrase I have ever heard in my whole life), plasma pistol tracks too much, rocket launcher lock-on makes things unfair, the sword is too powerful. The list could go on.

The Assault Rifle was a classic and robust weapon. I prefer it in every way over the SMG. Besides, as everyone said, the Pistol was the weapon of choice for "skill-less" kills in Halo CE. Skill...you don't need skill to pull a trigger.

In short, I award you no points. And may God have mercy on your soul.


honestly, the only real weapon i feel that could be described as a no-skill weapon is the rocket laucher....every thing else needs a little skill


Even the Rocket launcher has its nuances. A skilled rocketter can pound an unskilled one. All of the weapons require a degree of understanding of its strengths and weaknesses to master.

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 6:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Robert 90
people who talk about how much better Halo CE was than Halo 2 are RETARDS. The only reason that they seem to hate Halo 2 so much is because it takes alot more skill than Halo CE. They could get kills in Halo CE but now that the amount of skill required has gone up they suck so in their minds this means that Halo 2 sucks.

The AR = no skill Let me repeat the AR = NO SKILL!!!!!!!!!!



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For the love of GOD and all that is good on earth please, for me, go to Halo2sucks.com and don't leave until you have read more than half the content.

  • 06.24.2006 6:34 AM PDT
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Halo:CE >>>>>>> Halo2.
Assult Rifle>>>>>>SMGs.
Me>>>>>>You.
FACT!

  • 06.24.2006 6:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: icecold021
i think your retarded ...


His retarded? What's a retarded? I wish I had one.

  • 06.24.2006 7:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Robert 90
people who talk about how much better Halo CE was than Halo 2 are RETARDS. The only reason that they seem to hate Halo 2 so much is because it takes alot more skill than Halo CE. They could get kills in Halo CE but now that the amount of skill required has gone up they suck so in their minds this means that Halo 2 sucks.

The AR = no skill Let me repeat the AR = NO SKILL!!!!!!!!!!



"I feel like i'm taking CRAZY PILLS!"
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For the love of GOD and all that is good on earth please, for me, go to Halo2sucks.com and don't leave until you have read more than half the content.

Even though I respect Bungie and think Halo2 is very good. This website has alot of valid points. eg. AR>>>>>SMG

  • 06.24.2006 7:02 AM PDT
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Halo 1 had the pistol, which took more skill than the BR. So your arguement just went out the window.

People like the AR because it looks more futuristic, not to mention it's big and loud and powerful. You feel like such a badass using it when mowing down lines of Covenant.


That is exactly how I feel :)


Now that I think about it.. I did to. Charging an elite screaming "DIE!!"


Then reealizing it's a gold sword elite, and you turn back and start to run, only to be gutted in the back. Good times, good times.......

  • 06.24.2006 7:04 AM PDT
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Yes the AR had problems but here is how its basic principle was superior to that of the SMG featured in halo 2.

Yes the damage per hit was horrible, yes the scatter was horrible at anything past a few feet though here is the interesting part. The scatter of the AR only became unbearable if the player entered an extended time of full automatic fire. Starting from after about half a second of holding the trigger the scatter would get progressively worse to a point that about 1/6 of the rounds begin to scatter completely out of the crosshairs. This type of scatter was put in as bungie originally wanted the AR to be an effective mid range weapon if players were wise enough to fire in quick bursts. The problem arrose when the pistol (which used a similar scatter principle as did almost every gun in halo 1 making for I feel a superior spam punishment system on every weapon) became the more capable mid range weapon as people began using head shot abilities as a norm of their play style. This somewhat off set the other weapons and their lack of head shot damage (except the sniper) as bungie believed headshots would be soem type of lucky bonus where as spamming the torso or such would be most players prime objective with their weapon.

On feature I believe makes people more drwn towards the prospect of the AR returning is it fullfilling it's original goal that the SMG can't. A quick equip powerful close range weapon. Yes the SMG is a quick equip and is moderately good at close ranges yet still on it's own without an aid of nades or a secondary wield it is still well underpowered and thus not an effective quick draw weapon. Yes it can become a very powerful combo but this is not nearly as helpfull as was expected as it breaks a pattern of gameplay.

This pattern is to play the majority of the map with an effective medium ot long range weapon out to deal with threats far away (such as Pistol/BR/Sniper/Carbine etc), and then be able to quickly switch to a fast firing or powerful close quarters battle where aim is a little less paced out and you have to get the led/ plasma out fast. If the AR is made to be a slighlty scaled up version of the SMG (so it has about 1.5 times the power of a single SMG) although it will not have the ability to amp up to double the force (dual SMGs or other combos) it will be very powerful as soon as you pull it out when you need it for close combat.
This way it will fulfill that role of side close range armament rather than the current SMG role where you need to prepare the *correct* combo to spam with.

Also on a side note there is a higher level of loack on and auto aim associated with the current BR as apposed to the halo 1 pistol making the 4 headshot burst still easier to obtain than the old 3 head shots.

  • 06.24.2006 7:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: quezcatol
Battlerifle sucked,-blam!- it.
sucks against flood...

Actually you can now get a headshot against the combat forms. One hit kill.

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 10:01 AM PDT
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QUESTION!


Why the hell is this still here?

  • 06.24.2006 10:02 AM PDT
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dude you forgot about the noob combo...so cheap!!!!!!!!AR COME BACK TO H3

  • 06.24.2006 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: CGSniper2011
The Halo 2 campain was just a remake of the Halo 1 campain..........Halo CE means Halo Custom Edition


Halo CE means Halo Combat Evolved in a discussion of the first Halo. It means Custom Edition in modding discussions.

And to the creator of this topic, you must be an idiot. People do not hate Halo 2 because it takes MORE skill. They dislike it because they are easily killed if they were seen first, which is largely true. But there are many more reasons.

  • 06.24.2006 10:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: ImSpartacus
i hate to say it, but u xbox ppl r just slight dumbasses. i really hope not all of u r like this...
Yeah...um half the people hear have Live. Obviously most of us aren't dumbasses. Heck I've don't even own the pc game. I'm all xbox, and I'm sure that your offensive remark wasn't directed at me.

u guys r also getting the names wrong

H1PC- Halo combat evoled for the personal computer

H2PC- Halo 2 for the personal computer

H1X- Halo combate evoled for the xbox

H2X- halo 2 for the xbox

H1CE- Halo custom edition, a free download from gearbox, to make up for the crappy port to the pc. it allows cusotm maps and wepons to b created, and is a totally stand alone program, seperate from H1PC.

do u get it now? its not h1ce, thats for pc, its h1x, ok??!? Halo CE is for the PC, look it up on http://Halomaps.org, thats the offical halo ce site, run by gearbox software.
Whoa...there is some mumbo jumbo I've never seen...and I'm not alone.
Halo CE is Halo: Combat Evolved. It was the first one, so it takes the name Halo CE first.
Halo 2 is just Halo 2. When it comes out for the PC it will probably be Halo 2 PC. Halo PC is exaclty as the name says it is. No reason to go into wierd acronyms that no one has heard of.

but if your using the inferior xbox (and dont even give me any crap bout this) controller than its necassary. when halo 2 for pc coems out, it wont have auto aim
Please...now your just trying to make enemies. As a PC gamer I can see that the mouse pad is obviously superior than to a controller, but I could probably kick my own can if I faced myself with a controller. Its inferior for you, but vastly superior for me.

And its my guess that auto-aim will be in the Halo 2 PC, but hopefully you can turn it off.

  • 06.24.2006 10:25 AM PDT
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The Assault Rifle always seem more powerful when it's used against you. Maybe it's just me...

I'm so freakin tired of hearing what takes "skill" and what doesn't. Go develop your own game man!

Yes.

  • 06.24.2006 10:26 AM PDT

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  • 06.24.2006 10:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Robert 90
people who talk about how much better Halo CE was than Halo 2 are RETARDS. The only reason that they seem to hate Halo 2 so much is because it takes alot more skill than Halo CE. They could get kills in Halo CE but now that the amount of skill required has gone up they suck so in their minds this means that Halo 2 sucks.

The AR = no skill Let me repeat the AR = NO SKILL!!!!!!!!!!

It was nothing but an overpowered SMG

The BR is a weapon that emphsises precision and accuracy. If you can't 4-shot someone than you suck at Halo 2.

So all I am saying is that if Bungie brings back the AR they need to make the Carbine alot more like the BR. by this I mean it needs to do away with the circle reticle and have a reticle that allows you to shoot like you do with the BR accuratly and quickly. And make it so you can effectivly 4-shot people with it.


STOP COMPARING THE ASSUALT RIFLE TO THE BATTLE RIFLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to compare weapons from the games, compare the battle rifle to the old pistol, because that is what it is most like. I swear you people never EVEN played Halo CE. I got friends coming over to play Halo CE on XBC as I write this. I KNOW both games well. The assualt rifle was NOTHING like the battle rifle. Stop comparing the two!!!!

  • 06.24.2006 10:28 AM PDT