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Posted by: OrderedComa
WAHAHAHAHBAHAHAHAHA XD oh, gosh, hahehuha, don't make me laugh.This should be more than enough for me to stop reading and ignore your argument. But I'll make a small exception this time, after all, I had a good time with you guys earlier this year.
Posted by: OrderedComa
The "battle" for Reach in TFoR was one of the most retarded things I have ever read*sigh* Thanks for completely ignoring my whole argument. I've said in the past that the point of the novel is to introduce the characters, the setting, and last, but not least, REACH WAS SUPPOSED TO FALL IN A SINGLE DAY! Ignore how horribly described the battle is (according to you), by making the battle longer you're pretty much missing the point of the battle. The heart of the UNSC was meant to fall in just a few hours, and it's nearly hilarious how the fans refuse to accept it.
But that's okay, we have a way to compensate such a terrible fight, right? The Covenant just dropped a teleporter from space, explored Reach and had a Supercarrier which the UNSC was not able to notice because it was invisible. That truly compensates that terrible battle. Yup, the Covenant sent a giant teleporter and many of their armed forces to a planet they had no knowledge of. Oh, the UNSC did a terrible job in the book? Easy to solve, LET'S REMOVE IT COMPLETELY! Yup, let's make a game about Reach, the heart of the UNSC, without the UNSC, do I hear Kubrick clapping at me from the grave? He better be, 'cause this sounds like the greatest story ever.
At this point I'm getting tired of constatly arguing with you about the "flaws" in the battle. Reach was meant to fall in a single day, period. Let me look for my glasses... where did I? There's my DS... my Wiimote... where... oh, there they are. Let me just put 'em...
Deal with it.
Fine, to avoid sounding like a douche in here, I'm okay with certain retcons. For example, originally the Elites were an unknown race, there were just some theories, but nothing confirmed. It was until the Fall of Reach where those theories were confirmed. This has been changed, and now ONI and the UNSC has been aware of them for many years. I'm okay with this change if I have to be honest, it makes some sense, and it's effects on the main story are barely affected. Some of the changes are necessary, others trivial, a few unnecessary ones, etc.
The infuriating aspect of Reach is how Bungie, the original writers of this story, decided to re-write the whole thing for no apparent reason other than... I don't know, lost a bet? Perhaps someone trying to impress his girlfriend, I really wish I knew why. Oh, wait, I know! Marcus Lehto gave an interview back in 2010 about Reach. Someone asked him why is Cortana back with Halsey when she should be aboard the Pillar of Autumn. His response? "We felt more confortable with this story" or something like that. He knew all the events from the novel, they all knew. They also knew that the fans took this story very seriously, it's not about the money we spent on the novels, it's about our love for the story, so changing everything for such selfish reasons is just plain unfair. Even worse the fanboys who will gladly take the bullet for Bungie and say "it's their story, they are allowed to change anything they want!". Why do you think people hated the Star Wars prequels so much?
Posted by: OrderedComa
Who ever said anything about him writing the novel from scratch? That is irrelevant to this conversation. And how do you know that, hmmm? How do you know it says Reach fell in a laughable under 60 minute time period? For all you know it could say nothing but "August 30th: Reach falls to the Covenant in the early hours of the morning"...you make awfully big claims for something none of us know a thing about. The Halo Bible is non-evidence for either side, no one save a select few within Bungie, and now 343i, have seen the whole thing, and none of the fans have ever seen any of it, neither you nor me can argue as to what it does or does not contain or does or does not say...that is all I will say on that subject. You can't use it as evidence for anything, and neither can I.I will keep using the Halo Story Bible argument because it's extremely relevant. Yes, I've never seen it, and I doubt I'll be lucky enough to see it in this life, and yes, I guess there could exist the slight possibility that (back when Shyamalan was part of the team) all this was already written in the Halo Story Bible, but Bungie thought it would be too complicated and told Nylund to avoid spilling the beans and just cover the "basics", to say it this way, I don't know all the facts. What I know is that Nylund was given the Halo Story Bible, and he used it to write both The Fall of Reach, First Strike, etc. I'm just using some common sense in here.
For example, if we were discussing about Mendez relationship with Halsey in Glasslands, and I mentioned that it makes no sense that they respected each other in the past and now, out of nowhere, they hate each other, are you going to tell me "how do you know it wasn't planned from the start?"? Why not just accept that this mess we call Reach is truly bad writing? As said previously, I don't know if these events were already written back when Nylund wrote TFoR back in 2001, but by using common sense one can easily assume it wasn't, Nylund used all the material given to him by Bungie, eventually Bungie changed it's mind and decided to ruin the Universe, and the fans, believing that they will be eventually rewarded with super mega reconz!!!! will always take the bullet for them. Nice going guys!
Posted by: OrderedComa
And it has also been said (whether it was by Bungie or Nylynd I don't fully remember, though I do believe it was Bungie) that Nylund and Bungie have had rather differing visions on the portrayal and/or content within his books. So just because Nylund threw it in there does not necessarily mean that it's something Bungie told him to put in or Bungie has as information within the Halo Bible.Microsoft commissiones Nylund to write a novel. Bungie approved his outline so that it wouldn't conflict with their game and also shared their information with him. It's both disrespectful towards Nylund and the fans to change everything because Bungie thought of a "betterer" story. And what if they had conflicts in the way the story should be told? This move was highly unprofessional from them. Stories kept being made, Bungie still allowed Nylund to access the story bible so that he could write more novels, they even referenced the first novel in Halo 3. They accepted Nylund's "selfish" vision of the Halo Universe and so did the fans. Heck, even Staten wrote a novel, so what gives?
Posted by: OrderedComa
2. I've never said anything about TFoR being ignored because the battle sucks.Sometimes I wish you did, I mean, it's a terrible argument, but far better than "Halo 3 was my first Halo game, so I'm okay with all these changes because I'm barely affected". We've had some progress today, little miss.
Posted by: OrderedComa
Get off your high-horse, you sure are awfully presumptuous and arrogant assuming you know what every fan wants, likes, or believes.Yeah... those flowers I ordered... I'll be getting a refund, sorry. She hates me.
Posted by: OrderedComa
I did not enjoy Glasslands, I however don't rage or -blam!- about itInstead, you make people rage or blam! about it!
Well, I'm having a terrible, terrible hangover right now, so I'll go to my bed now. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is being aired right now, my favorite in the bunch... it's going to be a good day...
[Edited on 09.22.2012 5:57 PM PDT]