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Subject: How do we block members post?

I grow tired of seeing this same member make identical threads everyday and manage to get 100+ replies.

I don't want to see this members posts, at all. Like a ignore feature. Do we have this on here?

  • 09.19.2012 4:25 PM PDT

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  • 09.19.2012 4:26 PM PDT

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Simple: you ignore them.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

There is no feature for ignoring folks on Bungie.net (though that would be nice). Until and unless our wonderful hosts decide to implement a feature like this, you have to just ignore people the old-fashioned way.

  • 09.19.2012 4:29 PM PDT


Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
Can't, their topic is displaying right in front of me.

  • 09.19.2012 4:32 PM PDT

Posted by: CarefreeMeat
Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
Can't, their topic is displaying right in front of me.
That sounds like a personal problem.

  • 09.19.2012 4:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: CarefreeMeat
Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
Can't, their topic is displaying right in front of me.
That sounds like a personal problem.


Ironically, I guess it is a major "personal problem" for people.

  • 09.19.2012 4:36 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: CarefreeMeat
Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
Can't, their topic is displaying right in front of me.

Ah, that was a skill that I started early on. It began with "Billy, clean up your room" which I was able to somehow not hear, it then went to "Bill, take out the garbage before you go out with your friends" and again, didn't hear a thing.

Now, my wife can say that she's been talking to me all day and to be quite honest, I don't remember hearing a thing.

Perhaps this one is too old to begin the training. We shall have to consult the Council.

  • 09.19.2012 4:37 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: CarefreeMeat
Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
Can't, their topic is displaying right in front of me.

Ah, that was a skill that I started early on. It began with "Billy, clean up your room" which I was able to somehow not hear, it then went to "Bill, take out the garbage before you go out with your friends" and again, didn't hear a thing.

Now, my wife can say that she's been talking to me all day and to be quite honest, I don't remember hearing a thing.

Perhaps this one is too old to begin the training. We shall have to consult the Council.


TIL Recon's first name is billy

  • 09.19.2012 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Perhaps this one is too old to begin the training. We shall have to consult the Council.
Win reference.

  • 09.19.2012 4:40 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: catman6
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Perhaps this one is too old to begin the training. We shall have to consult the Council.
Win reference.


What's the worst that could happen?

  • 09.19.2012 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
You are doing it utterly and completely wrong.

  • 09.19.2012 4:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Specifically, he's talking about an idea I've tossed around a few times, where a user would be able to control his own view. Moderators would only exist to deal with global bans for stuff like shock site spam, and users would be given tools to "moderator" their view. For example, if you're being a jerk to me, I could click a button that says "ignore xecnalxes117 posts for a week". Nobody else would be able to tell this had happened, because they'd still see you. I just wouldn't have to read your stuff anymore.

Obviously, there are a lot of implementation details for this kind of thing, many of which have been pointed out. And then there is the matter if this is even a good idea or not. We're particularly concerned about how it could prevent users from becoming better users, as well as some users turning the forums into a sounding board that only echos their own opinion back to them. Although lots of you do that anyway without realizing it, so that may not be a concern.

While "spam" is the only thing you should ignore, what exactly is "spam"? Isn't it anything you don't want to see? Are political or religious threads spam? How about Brony threads? Armor Lock posts? Each of those threads could be spam, yet each of them aren't to others.

I don't know where this will take us, but I do appreciate the feedback. Your concerns are being noted. If we do decide to move ahead with something like this, it will be only after careful consideration of your feedback, both positive and negative.

Posted by: Achronos
Definately a concern. But playing devil's advocate to facilitate discussion:

This is a video game developer's board. A community formed around a shared form of entertainment. Shouldn't I be able to focus on the fun to the exclusion of the "divergent opinions" should I so choose? If I don't really care about learning or interacting or growing with the community, should I have to? Should the community drag me into the light so that it can grow as a whole, and is that growth positive? Or should it let me stay in darkness if I want, perhaps emphasizing the quality of those who do "stand in the light", so to speak?Posted by:Duck duck DEATH
It encourages ignorance by facilitating it.

A real component of your argument behind hiding posts is that it would enhance a users' experience. When you ignore a poster, you literally disconnect yourself not from a subject but rather from every subject raised by a specific person. People do not post about one subject only, so you're also disconnecting yourself from a wealth of posts that may be relevant to your interests.

The issue is that you don't address the difference between what you want to see and what you need to see. A truly enhanced experience would expose us to information which would challenge and broaden our views. If we simply ignored things we found disagreeable or tasteless, we often would never learn.

Posted by: Achronos
Have you considered it from the opposite side?

You in particular seem to have quite a following of people who don't like you, for whatever reason. More than a few harass you whenever you post. If they could ignore you, a number of them probably wouldn't harass you anymore.

The fact of the matter is that "more bans" simply isn't viable. We don't have the manpower to moderate this site as effectively as we want given its population, and even if we did, it is hard to have consistent enforcement with human moderators, as everybody's definitions of "spam" is different. So, this line of thinking is an effort to find a way so we don't need moderators to worry about the little things, and essentially only have them as a SWAT team for shock site spam and the like rather than worrying if someone isn't nice to you.

So far, my opinion is that if it were done, it couldn't be done in isolation, and would have to be very, very, very carefully implemented to avoid creating an "echo chamber" by default... basically to make it so it was a backup device for users, rather than the first thing they hit when annoyed by someone. As to how to do that... well... I guess if it were easy, we would have already done it.

Keep the discussion going, though, it is very helpful.Posted by: spartain ken 15
Well then those people should be banned, maybe a little time out will teach them a lesson. If they keep flamming, they need to be banned some more becuase they didn't learn to play nice


Posted by: Achronos
Catching up on the thread...

Lots of good points on both sides of the debate. To be clear, though - any type of ignore feature would be more about allowing you a filter for your view that is easily removed. And also, nobody is developing such a system or even designing one at the present time (so no limitations on the type of feedback).

I'm personally still undecided, although I know I do want something that eliminates a lot of stupid things the moderators have to care about. It would be great if they only ever had to truely ban people for posting shock sites and the lock, because you guys could ignore for all the minor infractions. That's probably a fantasy, though.

I do think that some of you calling such a feature the "death of the community" are being a bit melodramatic. Lots of forums have ignore features, and their communities are just fine. Sure, some people use ignore buttons to silence those they don't agree with, but those type of people want to live in the echo chamber anyway and aren't really part of the community - they just like hearing that they are right from other people. Most would use such a feature as a way to instantly deal with things without having to wait for the mods.

On the same token, those complaining that people should "just ignore" those they don't like... that's also not really relevant. In the first place, who are you telling others how they read the forums is "right" or "wrong"? Besides, adding an ignore feature doesn't remove this option. Those of us who don't ever ignore people can simply go on as usual. This is about adding a tool so that people (ironically) don't have to ignore someone, their posts just won't be there or be minimized.

Anyway, one question I thought of - quoting. Does it really matter that you can see an ignored user being quoted? I mean, you can see a banned user's quoted text right now. Quoting would have to be made programmatic than it is now in order for the system to know who you're quoting. This may have consequences elsewhere. Does that change your opinion of this theoretical feature?

Again, thanks for all the feedback. I still don't know yet if something like this is even worth having, let alone doing the design and implementation work of it.


[b">Posted by:[/b] Achronos
Abused... how?

An ignore button is per-user. You can't affect what other people see. If you ignore someone, they won't ever know. To them, you just decided to not reply to them... which can happen to any post for any reason right now.

The generic "it will be abused" is often thrown out when a new feature is up for discussion. But ANY type of user input can be abused (see: text-only forum posts). Does that mean your forum posts should only be comprised of symbols that represent pre-screened sentences?

Don't be that guy.
Posted by: spartain ken 15
I don't even know how one would implement this so it wouldn't get abused.


Posted by: Achronos
This feedback isn't helpful. You seem to be having trouble separating "ban" from "ignore".

1. If a user is banned, it is because a moderator judged they were in violation of the code of conduct.
2. If I ignore a user, I can do it for whatever reason I please. That's a feature, not a design flaw.

I don't know why you're trying to add the moderators doing anything or even talking about the Code of Conduct or bans to this discussion. I want the moderators to have to worry about less things, you seem to be going with the standard "septagon know-it-all approach" of "more bans would make everything better."

Again, that's not helpful feedback for any topic. I almost always dismiss it without even really reading it, because "more bans" are usually never the right answer. An ignore feature means less global bans, because you'd be able to enforce the "play nice" rule on your own view yourself. Nobody has yet been able to convince me that that primary gain doesn't completely offset the negatives (which so far seem very minor).


  • 09.19.2012 4:55 PM PDT

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Continued...

Posted by: Achronos
I'll trim down the quote to some salient points here. On the rest of your post I didn't quote (and to respond to others in this thread), let me just say that saying "people should just ignore posts they don't like" is really not helpful. Of course people should do that. They don't. Pretending they do leads us to where we are now.

1. Other users aren't limiting an ignored user's speech. What is true now would still be true - nobody is forced to read your posts. We'd just be giving you a tool to make it easier not to read stuff from people who don't want to see (for whatever reason, however stupid it might be).

2. You seem to be assuming that an ignore feature would exist in a vacuum, that we couldn't make other kinds of methods to customize your view. Remember how I described the basic problem we're trying to solve. This feature would only be one component of any effort we may (or may not) take towards solving that.

3. That is out of scope for this particular thread, as is thoughts about ways to tag content, user generated or otherwise. We're talking about filtering out a particular user's contributions on a per-viewer basis. Let's try to keep it to that.Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
1) We shouldn't allow users to limit other user speech solely based on the users ideas or feelings. Its easier to scroll past something you dislike.

2) If what we're talking about here is a way to get users to focus on content easier than I support a filtration system. As long as we're again not allowing people to cherry-pick how they interact with the global community. If you want people to experience group-like levels of interaction why not overhaul and advertise groups for this purpose? They're perfect!

3) We should find a way to spark community activity again. Either user created content: stories, games, contests, etc., or Bungie created material (which DeeJ has been doing [great job so far]).

What does the ignore feature truly accomplish? Why do we truly need it? How will it be implemented? How will it be controlled against abuse? Etc.

When you start to break the idea down to its most basic principles it suddenly becomes ridiculous.

This feature, as far as I see it, in no way establishes a way to enrich community discussion. Its sole purpose is to stifle discussion by allowing users to filter content into what they want to see.


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  • 09.19.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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  • 09.19.2012 5:04 PM PDT

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Do you have a Word document full of Achronos posts + links?

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Posted by: King Dutchy
Do you have a Word document full of Achronos posts + links?
lol

  • 09.19.2012 5:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
You are doing it utterly and completely wrong.

Well I mean, I wasn't trying to make a pun or something. Just telling OP he doesn't have much of a choice other than to ignore people he doesn't like.

  • 09.19.2012 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy
Do you have a Word document full of Achronos posts + links?


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Posted by: x Foman123 x
There is no feature for ignoring folks on Bungie.net (though that would be nice). Until and unless our wonderful hosts decide to implement a feature like this, you have to just ignore people the old-fashioned way.


I can't just ignore posts!

  • 09.19.2012 5:11 PM PDT

Don't ignore the post... Let the post ignore you.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
There is no feature for ignoring folks on Bungie.net (though that would be nice). Until and unless our wonderful hosts decide to implement a feature like this, you have to just ignore people the old-fashioned way.


Are you suggesting I have some form of self-control over my self sir? I you suggesting I should think before I act on something with no negative effect towards me sir?! Are you suggesting I respect others?!!

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  • 09.19.2012 5:13 PM PDT
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Well, there once was an ignore feature made by a community member, but it quickly dissolved when everyone got mad at him and massive hissy fits were thrown.

Oh, those were some hilarious days.

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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Simple: you ignore them.
You are doing it utterly and completely wrong.

Well I mean, I wasn't trying to make a pun or something. Just telling OP he doesn't have much of a choice other than to ignore people he doesn't like.
But I want more choices :O

  • 09.19.2012 5:31 PM PDT

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