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  • Poll [24 votes]: Do you want a Map Editor or Bots
Subject: Bots and Map Editor Good or Bad?
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Poll: Do you want a Map Editor or Bots  [closed]
Yes, Definitely it would be good to have bots!:  12%
(3 Votes)
No Frickin' way, it ruins the game to have bots!:  4%
(1 Votes)
Yes, Definitely it would good to have a Map Editor:  8%
(2 Votes)
No Frickin' way, User Maps ruin the game!:  0%
(0 Votes)
Map Editor YES, Bots NO!:  8%
(2 Votes)
Bots YES, Map Editor NO!:  21%
(5 Votes)
Give me it all!:  29%
(7 Votes)
Don't give a crap just GIVE ME THE GAME!!!!:  17%
(4 Votes)
Total Votes: 24

To some point I agree with the idea that bots and a map editor are bad. They could also be avery good thing, if done right. I think that there is a "Middle-Ground" that can be reached. Some of us have played Perfect Dark Zero the bot function in my experience worked very well, whereas, the multiplayer function in its entirety did not. (smirk)

First off I think that bots are a good idea in the function that some poor "people" have one of the following situations, No Live, No Broadband, or simply no friends. So for these people I think that bots would work perfectly. They would be able to start bot games and be able to have some fun with Multiplayer but not really experience all it has to offer.

On the other hand in perfect dark I joined far too many '12-15 Player" games, only to realize that I was the other human besides the host. So I think bots should be included for OFFLINE purposes only. (AKA, ONLY for LAN parties, and single human Games.)

On the Map Editor topic I had the same problem much too often. On Unreal tournament and Counter-Strike half the games I would join were using a user created map that I had to download prior to connecting and joining the match. Almost every time I did not have the patience to wait 2-4 minutes for the map to download. And if I did download the map the game would have ended or have become full, or change game types.

I think there is a solution that would provide a compromise for both parties. these would be the rules I would apply to the situation

User created maps could only be used for LAN Party games, unless they were verified by Bungie, what I mean say is; have a small Bungie testing program where either Bungie provides a testing service where they only test a certain number of maps in a month at their discretion.

A less popular but more viable option none the less is to have Bungie incur a nominal fee to test a users submitted map. Not much, probably not even enough to cover testing expenses. but it would serve a more mediatory function. Making users pay a small fee to have their maps tested would discourage most of the testing traffic, because people won’t want to pay for a map that they know will probably be scrapped, but if there isn’t a fee everybody would send in all their maps and it would be impossible to have any sort of workable testing process. Basically I think fees would discourage swarms of bad maps being sent in for a useless test.


Please give me feedback on these Ideas,

  • 06.24.2006 8:34 AM PDT
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I think it would be fun.
But not for xbl
Not for MLG
because:::
People would find glitches to get the bots stuck and not be able to do anything.
And it would just be whoever would get to the bots first


Map editor..

I would love it.
Maybe for xbl
It would be hard though because:
everytime someone wanted to share a map with someone they would either have to make the exact thing or..
Download it somehow.

  • 06.24.2006 8:41 AM PDT
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No bots online, and no map editor period. You don't need bots online when you have a freinds list. Just use bots for the people that don't have Xbox Live.

And a map editor is just a stupid idea. I'd rather see Bungie make another 2 or 3 good maps, then see 5,000 horrible ones made by little kids wanting to give one side an advantage. And if it is included, don't allow it used online. I Spent 10 minutes downloading the new map pack when it came out, and that was only 2 maps. I would not want to wait 5 minutes to download someones crappy map before I played a lopsided game where one side gets sniper rifles and I get a plasma pistol.

I've gone over this before, there are litterally hundereds of threads on bots and map editors, lets try to shut up about it already. If bugie includes it, great, if they don't even better. But makeing 5,000,000 threads about it won't change their minds.

  • 06.24.2006 8:48 AM PDT
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No bots or custom maps in matchmaking, but they would be good for offline and custom games. Maybe there could be a mapmaker contest and the winner could have his or her map added to the playlists if it was good enough. Still, no matter what, no bots in matchmaking unless there is a suvival mode playlist.

  • 06.24.2006 8:51 AM PDT

map editor would be great it extends the life of games so much

  • 06.24.2006 9:09 AM PDT

Halo 3 (31st), ODST (14th) and Reach (4th) Mythic Conqueror. (Mythic is Solo, Legendary, All skulls on + scoring on and no deaths/saves).

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The thing is a complete, viable, and self regulating custom map, making and distributing environment has never been accomplished.

Thats what Bungie needs to try and achieve. They have a headstart for Halo 3 as they are already making a map editor for Halo 2 PC (although to what extent the support and customization is we have no idea).

I could write a whole lot regading various options about PC integration, live anywhere, scoring systems, competitions, custom playlists, map trialling and testing rooms etc. but i can't be bothered here.

Basically, a map editor that Bungie would make for Halo 3, it needs to have simple Tony Hawks esque, map editing ability, right up to the level of detail, knowledge and control that is present in HEK (Halo Editing Kit).

But it could be oh so awesome.

  • 06.24.2006 9:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: GoGod12
I think it would be fun.
But not for xbl
Not for MLG
because:::
People would find glitches to get the bots stuck and not be able to do anything.
And it would just be whoever would get to the bots first


Map editor..

I would love it.
Maybe for xbl
It would be hard though because:
everytime someone wanted to share a map with someone they would either have to make the exact thing or..
Download it somehow.

what do u mean by share like having them play with u they dont need to download it remember far cry

  • 06.24.2006 9:39 AM PDT

Halo 3 (31st), ODST (14th) and Reach (4th) Mythic Conqueror. (Mythic is Solo, Legendary, All skulls on + scoring on and no deaths/saves).

Staff Writer and speedrun record holder at highspeedhalo.net

Ignorance is the true enemy of all things.

Rocking Bungie.net for over 8 years!

Posted by: halox43
Posted by: GoGod12
Map editor..

I would love it.
Maybe for xbl
It would be hard though because:
everytime someone wanted to share a map with someone they would either have to make the exact thing or..
Download it somehow.

what do u mean by share like having them play with u they dont need to download it remember far cry

Thats assuming any map editor/creator for Halo 3 would be limited to a selection of predetermined basic environments and set-peices and not custom created geometry.

  • 06.24.2006 9:43 AM PDT