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Subject: Pistol replaced with lesser Magnum in Halo2. What will be done in H...
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Poll: Which side arm should stay, be brought back, or made up?  [closed]
Keep the magnum:  24%
(7 Votes)
Bring back the pistol and get rid of the magnum:  10%
(3 Votes)
Upgrade the magnum:  31%
(9 Votes)
make new pistol:  10%
(3 Votes)
Keep the magnum and bring back the pistol as well:  7%
(2 Votes)
Make a whole new pistol or magnum:  3%
(1 Votes)
Or just give the magnum a scope:  0%
(0 Votes)
other and if chosen explain:  14%
(4 Votes)
Total Votes: 29

I have always wondered why the pistol for Halo Combat Evolved was replaced by a lesser weaker magnum in Halo 2. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the pistol was a newly made weapon that the Pilar of Autumn took with them after escaping. Then meaning that their are no more because the planet was glassed. In Halo 3 do you think the pistol should come back, the magnum should stay, or a new magnum or pistol should replace them.

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 9:44 AM PDT
Subject: Pistol replaced with lesser Magnum in newer game makes no sense.
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The M6D (Halo pistol) was actually a state-of-the-art weapon used on the Pillar of Autumn and nowhere else for the time being. If it does return, it better not be a 50 calibur one handed rifle anymore.

  • 06.24.2006 9:45 AM PDT
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Bring back all weapons, even if only for use as options in MP. Make new weapons, too.

  • 06.24.2006 9:47 AM PDT

Facts are the enemy of tru7h....

The Pistol from Halo 1 was actually replaced by the BR. They used all the same physics just changed the animation....

-Stu

  • 06.24.2006 9:48 AM PDT
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That was what I was thinking, but if the gun was so powerful then why didnt they retry to make them and manufacture them to all the troops. It was such a powerful side arm because if I was ever in a jam with the assualt rifle on multiplayer I would run backwards and pull that out and just keep shooting them in the head until they eventually ran or died. I think it was a great counter weapon for the assualt rifle, but now and days it could be way to powerful considering all the other weapons. If they did bring it back then make it hold about 10 to 15 bullets per round to even it out.

  • 06.24.2006 9:49 AM PDT
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I remember in the books that there was another Pistol

I think it was something like HE Pistol or something but Kelly had two.

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 9:53 AM PDT
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I think they should upgrade the magnum. Our magnums now and days are better. I mean this game is so many years in the future that the tech should be a lot better. I think the magnum and shotgun are the only two weapons that are the same in this time period than they aer in the game. So just upgrade those two weapons and everything will be good.

  • 06.24.2006 9:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sleepystephen
The Pistol from Halo 1 was actually replaced by the BR. They used all the same physics just changed the animation....

-Stu

What? I don't mean the Pistol being replaced by the BR. With that I agree. But the same physics?

  • 06.24.2006 9:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Milkie
I remember in the books that there was another Pistol

I think it was something like HE Pistol or something but Kelly had two.

that was the magnum thats why should was dueling. But she could duel to M6D's though im sure.

  • 06.24.2006 9:56 AM PDT

"I'm hungry..."

The Halo one pistol was too strong. The Halo 2 magnum was too weak. They need to have a happy medium.

  • 06.24.2006 10:00 AM PDT
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Maybe they could give the magnum a secondary effect to even it out.

  • 06.24.2006 10:03 AM PDT

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I chose the 'other' option.

I think Bungie should make the choice based on what they are aiming for in terms of balance, and useability.

and in actuality. A pistol (sidearm) that is more powerful than the standardly issued Rifle makes less sense than replacing it.

  • 06.24.2006 10:04 AM PDT
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Agreed. The M6C is a disgrace and insult to the word "magnum". Sure, the M6C no longer has HE rounds but it shouldn't behave like a cap gun. Especially when it's called a magnum but especially with its huge 12.7mm rounds.

I don't want to get into another debate about the novels or whether or not the novels tie into the game, but the Magnum was described in First Strike to fire slugs the size of a Spartan's thumb.

The problem with Halo CE's pistol is one of two things; either its stopping power had to go or the scope, not both. And I would prefer the latter if the whole community would agree that the pistol was too powerful. Personally, I think every weapon in Halo 2 should be scrapped and the Halo CE weapons be brought back. I don't care how close in mode and function the Battle Rifle is to the Pistol, that's just an excuse.

M6C Pistol Magnum:If they're going to make the M6C this weak, then they should at least implement a 20-30 round magazine so that you can actually kill something in less than a clip. The Pistol since Halo 1-either the power has to go or the scope. Not both. Oh boy, the M6C needs a complete makeover here. Let's get started: Why is it called the Magnum if it takes 24 shots to kill someone? Did you guys just call it a Magnum and hope it passes to the public view as a actual Magnum? In Halo:First Strike, the Magnum was described as a gun that fires slugs as big as a Spartan's thumb. That could've worked in Halo 2, although it'd be a portable shotgun. People stereotype and generalize too much just cause it's a pistol and it should be weak and a sidearm only. Well, Halo isn't supposed to be REALISTIC, and who's to say Pistols 500 years in the future can't be a hybrid sniper that can serve as a portable anti-aircraft cannon? Those who complain the M6D is unfair because anyone can get a "cheap kill" with it must suck themselves. If you don't want the M6D to do all the things it can do, just take out the scope and no more sniping halfway across the map. How to improve on the pistol and keep the tone-down-the-pistol whiners happy at the same time: In my game, the Magnum literally fires slugs(noted above). Solid stopping power and well accurate, the M6C's rounds(fires as fast as you can pull the trigger with a more manly bang sound) can eliminate shielded targets in about 4-5 shots(improved shield can be the fine difference between life and death). 1-3 shots for unshielded targets such as Jackals and Grunts(depends where they're hit), and 4-6 rounds for Flood(you can dismember them). Now Brutes, it's like shooting a bear with high-velocity rounds. The bullet will have no knockout punch, it'll only make them more angry. But eventually, you'll get the job done. Aim for the head. Hunters are immune to the M6C because their armor either makes the bullet ricochet, or the round becomes embedded in their thick armor. Aim for their orange exposed flesh. Try not to spray rounds all over the place, it can get a bit inaccurate due to the sheer size of its rounds that you'd just be wasting ammo hitting everything but the enemy. Even shielded Elites flich everytime they're hit-you know, like the Shotgun from Halo? It's that powerful. The only catch is that it has no scope, therefore it can only be used close-medium range

  • 06.24.2006 10:04 AM PDT
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What The -blam!-?..

  • 06.24.2006 10:05 AM PDT
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scope was retarded the end

  • 06.24.2006 10:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: VELOCITY 7000
Posted by: Milkie
I remember in the books that there was another Pistol

I think it was something like HE Pistol or something but Kelly had two.

that was the magnum thats why should was dueling. But she could duel to M6D's though im sure.


I remember Fred was looking at them and It has an oversized barrel that was easily 30% larger and longer, has grips of self-molding plastasteel, it's perfectly balanced and it's high caliber. The slug is the size of a thumb.

  • 06.24.2006 10:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Milkie
Posted by: VELOCITY 7000
Posted by: Milkie
I remember in the books that there was another Pistol

I think it was something like HE Pistol or something but Kelly had two.

that was the magnum thats why should was dueling. But she could duel to M6D's though im sure.


I remember Fred was looking at them and It has an oversized barrel that was easily 30% larger and longer, has grips of self-molding plastasteel, it's perfectly balanced and it's high caliber. The slug is the size of a thumb.
tough luck? use the battle rifle.

  • 06.24.2006 10:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: s4ndp4perm4n
Posted by: Dark LordBC
I have always wondered why the pistol for Halo Combat Evolved was replaced by a lesser weaker magnum in Halo 2. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the pistol was a newly made weapon that the Pilar of Autumn took with them after escaping. Then meaning that their are no more because the planet was glassed. In Halo 3 do you think the pistol should come back, the magnum should stay, or a new magnum or pistol should replace them.


Please, use logic and stop trying to tie everything into the story. They replaced the pistol with the magnum because it was an unbalanced piece of -blam!-. It was better than any weapon in the game, rather than Halo2 where the weapon set is more balanced. I'm tired of these threads that say "ZOMG, BRING BACK TEH PISTOLLLL ROFLORLF!!!!111". It was the most unfair, amateur weapon ever brought into Halo, and I'm glad it's gone.


Dont tell me to use logic when mine is better then yours. They just can't get rid of a strong weapon because they don't want it anymore they have to give a reason for it to just vanish. They made it tie into the story like they should instead of just getting rid of a strong weapon without a reason.

  • 06.24.2006 10:23 AM PDT
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No, your trying to think of a reason for why the pistol would be gone as if Halo were actually a real world, whereas the actual reason why Bungie got rid of it was because it was overpowered. The end. If you want a "real reason" then we'll say its because Master Chief got hungrey so he ate them all. K?

  • 06.24.2006 10:26 AM PDT
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Look in good games you just cant say o well. Ill take the sniper rifle as an example. O well the sniper rifle was to powerful lets just get rid of it and replace it with a scoped pistol. It just doesn't work like that, their has to be a reason tie in with everything that happens or questions will come up and just make more crap then what their is. Its probably true that they did get rid of it because it was to strong, but at least they gave a reason and explanation for why its gone. That is just what i'm trying to say.

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 10:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dark LordBC
I have always wondered why the pistol for Halo Combat Evolved was replaced by a lesser weaker magnum in Halo 2. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the pistol was a newly made weapon that the Pilar of Autumn took with them after escaping. Then meaning that their are no more because the planet was glassed. In Halo 3 do you think the pistol should come back, the magnum should stay, or a new magnum or pistol should replace them.


Please, use logic and stop trying to tie everything into the story. They replaced the pistol with the magnum because it was an unbalanced piece of -blam!-. It was better than any weapon in the game, rather than Halo2 where the weapon set is more balanced. I'm tired of these threads that say "ZOMG, BRING BACK TEH PISTOLLLL ROFLORLF!!!!111". It was the most unfair, amateur weapon ever brought into Halo, and I'm glad it's gone.


Dont tell me to use logic when mine is better then yours. They just can't get rid of a strong weapon because they don't want it anymore they have to give a reason for it to just vanish. They made it tie into the story like they should instead of just getting rid of a strong weapon without a reason.


The true logic of the situation is no sidearm should be more powerful or widely used than the standard-issue rifle. Bungie simply removed it because they realized the folly of the situation.

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 10:29 AM PDT

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the magnum didnt replace the pistol from h1 the br did the magnum is pretty much a new weapon on its own and personally i like the change because it just doesnt make sense to be able to hit someone 80' away with a pistol now with a rifle like the br yea i can see that so yes the pistol as much as i liked it cuz of how kool it was shuld remain in h1 only and some sort of rifle should be kept just cuz it makes sense

  • 06.24.2006 10:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: DeathDealer299
Posted by: Milkie
Posted by: VELOCITY 7000
Posted by: Milkie
I remember in the books that there was another Pistol

I think it was something like HE Pistol or something but Kelly had two.

that was the magnum thats why should was dueling. But she could duel to M6D's though im sure.


I remember Fred was looking at them and It has an oversized barrel that was easily 30% larger and longer, has grips of self-molding plastasteel, it's perfectly balanced and it's high caliber. The slug is the size of a thumb.
tough luck? use the battle rifle.


What?

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 10:30 AM PDT
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I get what you two are saying, but getting rid of the pistol and assualt rifle both at the same time they just had to put a weapon together to make up for the two and make another weapon to even out the amount of human verse covenant weapons. But i'm just saying atleast they gave an explanation for the pistol in Halo Combat Evolved for not being in Halo 2.

  • 06.24.2006 10:33 AM PDT

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