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Subject: Stop comparing the AR to the BR
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Over the past few weeks I keep seeing thread after thread comparing the assualt rifle in Halo CE to the battle rifle in Halo 2. STOP IT!!!! They are nothing alike. If you want to compare weapons, as least go play Halo CE so you know what the heck you are talking about. The assualt rifle should be compared to the SMG, and the battle rifle should be compared to the old pistol. Those are the weapons that are most like them. Comparing the AR to the BR is like comparing the needler to the rocket launcher. They are nothing alike!

  • 06.24.2006 10:31 AM PDT
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In short-
AR=SMG
Pistol=BR.

  • 06.24.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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More than a year ago I saw a thread on these forums flaming the old pistol. He made all kinds of points about why the pistol sucked and was too overpowered, ext. But, in his thread he said things that threw up red flags to me. It seemed he really didn't know much about Halo CE. I started to pressure him abou it. He kept going on and on about how he know Halo CE very well. He finally broke and admitted he'd only EVER played Halo CE for 40 minutes at a LAN party once.

These are the types of people that got the old pistol nerfed. They just repeat things they see others saying even though they don't play the game day to day. That would be like me hanging out in the Counter Strike forums and saying "they need to get rid of X weapon!!" Then, the devs would see the rant and get rid of it. But, all the people that enjoy the game and...well, PLAY IT, would have their favorite weapon nerfed by some guy that never even plays it.

  • 06.24.2006 11:03 AM PDT
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The resone people compare the AR to the BR is because the BR replaced there
primary weapon the AR. So there for thy compare them.But hopfuly when H3 comes out The new AR will replace them both and they wont have anything to compare.

  • 06.24.2006 11:13 AM PDT

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so true. so true, its good too see at least one very intelligent person in the halo 3 forum

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What I hate the most is when people say the SMG is weak. It does the exact same thing the Assault Rifle did, just basically with a different skin.

  • 06.24.2006 11:19 AM PDT
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The only way to get the power of the AR with the SMG is to duel weled them thats why people complane. Pluse the AR looks badass

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 11:22 AM PDT
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I hate the CE pistol, and ive had Halo 1 since it came out.

I reached that point when it became the only weapon anyone ever used. Every LAN game, all you heard from all over the house was "Bang Bang Bang" If anything, the pistol was a downside to it, not a bonus.

  • 06.24.2006 11:26 AM PDT
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The AR was NOT the primary weapon from Halo. It was the pistol.

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Posted by: OBI SEAN
The resone people compare the AR to the BR is because the BR replaced there
primary weapon the AR. So there for thy compare them.But hopfuly when H3 comes out The new AR will replace them both and they wont have anything to compare.
However, in MP the Assault Rifle was seen as the secondary. Because of the Pistol.

For people who want the pistol back. Why should a secondary weapon be stronger than a primary weapon? It makes no sense.

Oh and you can't compare the AR and BR, the assault rifle is indeed the father of the SMG, infact, the SMG has the same range as the assault rifle, when you tap the trigger. And the speed to kill someone with duel SMG's is very close to an Assault Rifle. So in truth, the Assault Rifle has always been with us, just in a new skin and in two peices.

  • 06.24.2006 11:37 AM PDT
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*gets headache*

  • 06.24.2006 11:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: HaloFighter92
However, in MP the Assault Rifle was seen as the secondary. Because of the Pistol.

For people who want the pistol back. Why should a secondary weapon be stronger than a primary weapon? It makes no sense.

If the AR was seen as the secondary, and the Pistol as the primary, what does that second sentence mean?

  • 06.24.2006 11:40 AM PDT
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SMG is bad ass people think it isnt becus cus the sheilds r stronger when in reality they r the same strength

  • 06.24.2006 11:42 AM PDT

*Durrrr.*


lol. i think im just going to sit back, relax, and see who comes out on top.

  • 06.24.2006 11:51 AM PDT
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how about this. the AR's only relation to the BR is they are both primary weapons.

  • 06.24.2006 12:14 PM PDT
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Thankyou for finaly saying that.

  • 06.24.2006 12:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: HM Slayer
STOP IT!!!!

MAKE ME! What are you going to do if I dont.

  • 06.24.2006 12:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThreeShot
People don't realize that the guns in Halo 2 aren't weaker but the shields are stronger. Anyone who says AR>SMG is a fool. They're exactly the same strength. The AR took 14 shots to kill an opponent with full shields and health. If you turn extra damage on in Halo 2 it basically makes up for the extra shield strength and lets the SMG kill with only 14 shots. They didn't nerf weapons for Halo 2. They made MC stronger to balance things out.

Extra damage isn't on by default so I don't understand your reasoning for this. Why are you comparing Halo 1's default weapon strength to Halo 2's extra damage weapon strength?

  • 06.24.2006 12:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: CONAN9845
Posted by: HaloFighter92
However, in MP the Assault Rifle was seen as the secondary. Because of the Pistol.

For people who want the pistol back. Why should a secondary weapon be stronger than a primary weapon? It makes no sense.


If the AR was seen as the secondary, and the Pistol as the primary, what does that second sentence mean?


lol, pwnt

Posted by: CONAN9845
The AR was NOT the primary weapon from Halo. It was the pistol.


Just because its better, doesn't mean its the primary weapon. The primary weapon was they AR, why? Think about what weapon you always spawned with. Wasn't the pistol was it.

And what gun do you always spawn with in h2? The smg, so...

AR=Primary weapon
SMG=Primary weapon

AR=SMG ?

[Edited on 6/24/2006]

  • 06.24.2006 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThreeShot
I was saying that if you put it on then it makes up for the extra shields. It esentially turns all the BR and Smg back into their CE counterparts:

BR - 3 bursts
Smg- 14 shots

Pistol - Three shots
AR - 14 shots

The only reason the BR and Smg are weaker than the pistol and AR is because of the extra shield strength MC has in Halo 2. If they put pistol and AR in Halo 2 they wouldn't be as strong. The pistol would turn into a four shot kill and the AR would take about 25 shots.


Grenades are instant kills with extra damage on but it wasn't lethal with full health in Halo 1. Why aren't all the weapons across the board exactly like Halo 1 with that extra damage setting? There's more to this than just improved shielding. Most of the guns getting nerfed was mostly to suit duel wielding and the BR four shot kill to rebalance the pistol from the outcries of critics of the M6D. It's just a coincidence that extra damage turned the BR into a three shot kill and the SMG much closer to an AR.

  • 06.24.2006 1:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: CONAN9845
The AR was NOT the primary weapon from Halo. It was the pistol.


Exactly...

  • 06.24.2006 2:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gotterdammerung
Posted by: CONAN9845
The AR was NOT the primary weapon from Halo. It was the pistol.


Exactly...


Explain why you think its the primary weapon? Because its better? Does that make it the primary weapon in the game?

  • 06.24.2006 2:03 PM PDT

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