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Subject: Bnet... We need to talk.
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Posted by: DeeJ
The fair weather fans have wandered off, and left an iron core of old-schoolers to hold court with one another.

-blam!-, I'm not that old.

  • 09.26.2012 9:38 PM PDT

USAF Air Traffic Controller.
#moap

Interesting dynamic in play.

  • 09.26.2012 9:50 PM PDT

Sorry I'm late.

China called...

  • 09.26.2012 9:58 PM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

-Gandalf

I read all of it and yes my head hurts from it, I usually don't read long threads unless they are important (like this one.) To sum up my reply, yes this website is suppose to be an enjoyable place. Sadly there are people who will never change and just love to cause and create drama in the main forums, private groups, or even PM's.

Here is the thing, When it comes to Bungie.net, you can ignore the said person. However if that person is someone you know and he or she harasses you outside of Bungie.net, then ignoring is not an option. Talk about betrayal. When I first joined Bungie.net I did take this place too seriously. Now I know I can lighten up here. However a lot of the drama does irritate me sometimes. I can't just sit back and laugh at it if it isn't even funny.

The thing is Helveck, it isn't just Bungie.net that's like this, it's every other forum or community on the internet. There will be people that will ruin it. As long as the right people are in charge, we can punish these people. If a website is filled with jerks that are in charge, then it's best to leave. That's all I gotta say man. We can't change people, we can only change ourselves and dictate our own actions whether it's online or in the real world.

  • 09.26.2012 10:10 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Don't misunderstand me.

Do you know how dumb I would sound if I just said "everyone should just agree with one another all the time". What meant when I said for people to agree to disagree, is when all points in a debate are exhausted and neither side will bend or fold for the other. Then instead of becoming frustrated because someone may not see things your way, just respectfully bow out.
Posted by: Still_7_fish
Posted by: Helveck
Agree to respectfully disagree is all it takes.

But then what's the point? Isn't a forum a place to discuss ideas and opinions? Agreeing to disagree will just make Bnet into a veritable page of youtube comments. You know, the parts that aren't already.

Heated debate isn't necessary, but can be damn good fun. I'm of the heat and kitchen mindset when it comes to this.

  • 09.26.2012 10:12 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Edit: Safari made me double post.

[Edited on 09.26.2012 10:13 PM PDT]

  • 09.26.2012 10:12 PM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

-Gandalf

Sadly, some do.
Posted by: Still_7_fish
Posted by: Helveck
Don't misunderstand me.

Do you know how dumb I would sound if I just said "everyone should just agree with one another all the time". What meant when I said for people to agree to disagree, is when all points in a debate are exhausted and neither side will bend or fold for the other. Then instead of becoming frustrated because someone may not see things your way, just respectfully bow out.
Posted by: Still_7_fish
Posted by: Helveck
Agree to respectfully disagree is all it takes.

But then what's the point? Isn't a forum a place to discuss ideas and opinions? Agreeing to disagree will just make Bnet into a veritable page of youtube comments. You know, the parts that aren't already.

Heated debate isn't necessary, but can be damn good fun. I'm of the heat and kitchen mindset when it comes to this.

That's the only logical thing to do. Hell, even meeting in the middle and dropping a few ad hominems on the way out the door is acceptable to me.

Do people drag out threads with insults these days? I've been gone for a while.

  • 09.26.2012 10:14 PM PDT
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"To conserve the fighting strength!"

Posted by: Jay120171
Bobcast: the only ninja to operate an ER out of his mom's basement

This is an interesting read.

I often find it amusing when the people who love to attack have the tides turned upon them. Their response often signifies their true character.

[Edited on 09.26.2012 10:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.26.2012 10:16 PM PDT

Posted by: bobcast
This is an interesting read.

I often find it amusing when the people who love to attack have the tides turned upon them. Their response often signifies their true charterer.
Says the doctor, of course.

  • 09.26.2012 10:24 PM PDT

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Achronos: And what's this about a "design team" I've been hearing? Apparently stosh is so awesome he's now considered a "team".

Personally I believe the clashing, not that I have seen much of it is largely responsible because of the darkness. Whilst there was clashing and will always be clashes upon the release of a new game. The clashes here now are not caused by games but by stagnation. Rivalries that were evident in long standing members have shown up again, mainly due to the community now being much more transparent and closer. At this point in time there is nothing really new that the community has to discuss and engage in. Until things start to liven up again this site will stay stagnate and while it is feuds will be higher.

  • 09.26.2012 10:41 PM PDT
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"To conserve the fighting strength!"

Posted by: Jay120171
Bobcast: the only ninja to operate an ER out of his mom's basement


Posted by: Still_7_fish
Posted by: bobcast
charterer.

Either I'm about to learn a new word, or I was inb4 a correction. I like them odds.


And this is why I try to avoid posting with my phone...

charterer

  • 09.26.2012 10:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
no dragons

Not to be a dick but I want to address this. The Dragon thing was funny on the first thread, but as it went on it got really old really fast. I hope you're really serious with this thread. This is the type of thread I like in the Septagon, it has discussion value and its about the community. My guess is you were doing the Dragon thing to lighten things up but a least for me it did the opposite. All the Dragon threads that I would see I would see them as garbage spam.

Posted by: Helveck
Though this hobby can sometimes prove troublesome, because it involves other people. People have opinions. And when you take such a wide variety of people from all different walks of life, you will no doubt have a wide spectrum of beliefs and opinions. So while you are to come to this place to find enjoyment, and to have interest in what goes on here, oddly enough the primary function function of this site is designed to have mass amounts of people interact. When this occurs with so many different people, members both new and old begin to clash.
When people interect they usually argue, and that's not a bad thing. The way I see forums is, Its a place for people to come and discuss and like you said people are different and have different opinions so they clash/argue. The only problem is sometimes people don't know how to keep the argument civil. I used to be uncivil on some of my arguments here but I like to think I learned from my mistakes.
Posted by: Helveck
Anyone anywhere can find a person and for whatever reason make that person their enemy. Anyone can be found by someone seeking confrontation. Anyone can be targeted, and anyone can target.

Now that is stupid. People that get too butthurt need to chill out, they need to let stuff go. For an example, the Dragon nonsense kept happening and I didn't hate you or have Ill feelings towards you. I didn't like those threads so I didn't post in them. I find this thread legit so I posted in here, instead of being butthurt and ignoring this thread completely just because you created it. When I see people in here that I've argued in the past, I don't disregard their posts or disagree with them just because I don't like them. If I agree with them in a different subject then I'll try to back them up.

Posted by: Helveck
These certain events and occurrences put a damper or even ruin what is otherwise supposed to be an enjoyable visit to an online Community that people should truly invest no emotion in.

I think you should invest some emotion. You just have to be moderate with it. When people make bad threads or annoy me, I don't follow them around and harass them but sometimes I will call them out. I do the same thing in real life. If somebody is doing something I dislike, I'll usually tell them in a respectful manner that they are annoying me. Most of the time people have no idea they are annoying you. I don't expect people to read my mind. I don't do it so much on the internet because I don't know how people will react.

Posted by: Helveck
I always say, never to take people on the Internet seriously. And you shouldn't. As well, you should never invest emotion in it as I just mentioned. There is no reason why you should care what people say or do here because it has no direct impact on your reality outside this place. But people still let things here get to them... Sometimes it gets to them and they leave the site while taking their emotionally charged state with them, others simply get emotional on here, while they're here, but are able to disconnect from their emotions and feelings here, because they've directly removed themselves from the equation. Which is great... Although both occurrences still have an issue, and that is when you return to this place that you are supposed to be enjoying, or using as one of your hobbies and interests, if you're finding yourself in conflict, it could potentially upset or ruin your outlook and feelings towards the purpose of this site.

When I get off this site, I take no emotion with me. The only time I'll leave this site really pissed off is when Mister David decides he wants to make a puzzle.

Posted by: Helveck
I know this sounds cheesy as hell, but we as a Community should always stand united. We gather here under a single banner from our love for games and interest in Bungies future.

In real Community's people don't stand united in a lot of things. They usually have one thing that they are united for but in other aspects they are the exact opposite. I think for must of us we are united by the fact that we like Bungie. But in other things we are the exact opposite.

Posted by: Helveck
I doubt if we all met in a room, we would pick childish fights or start messily little arguments out of anger or differentiating opinions. No, we'd probably shake hands and share stories... Which leads me to believe that this has nothing to do with people genuinely hating other people, or having a really strong invested vendetta against someone, since really and truly, how serious can the things we talk about and fight about be on a gaming forum? To honestly justify poor behavior and confrontation would be impossible here, but yet many of us still find reason to do so...I think it would be safe to assume a large percentage of people here have at one time or another found reason to poke fun at, childishly argue with, belittle or be cruel to, viciously insult, spoken ill of in secret, tried to turn others against, or mocked some person here... For what?
Let's take PAX for an example, I wasn't there so I could be completely wrong. On PAX it seemed like everybody was happy and having a good time enjoying each others presence. But that's because PAX was a special occasion and it was only a couple days long. I bet if we meet each other in a room as often as we see each other here people would clash. They probably would be more civil since it's real life and they could get their arse kicked but people would still make fun of others, and clash.
Posted by: Helveck
We find reason to fight, sometimes we believe someone is stupid and wish to boldly or harshly call them out on it. Sometimes we don't agree with someone so we attack them, and not their opinion. Other times people will disagree and take it personally, which causes those people to harbor ill feelings towards one another... But no one knows why.

Honestly I don't see anything wrong with calling people out. The problem is on how you call someone out. If you try to be constructive with your calling out then its good, but if your doing it just to be a jerk then you are just making that person want to be worse.

Posted by: Helveck
I come here to talk to friends, and to sometimes debate. I come here to learn, and laugh and share. Have I been rude and ignorant before? Of course I have. Will I again? Probably, since I am human... Though I do my best to avoid trying to seek out confrontation, I avoid trying to hurt, put down or make fun of other people. I don't try to make enemies, and I could care less if someone hated my guts.

I'm sure everybody in this site has been rude at some point. Sometimes people are having a -blam!- day and they blow off steam here. When I'm pissed about something in real life I try not to come in this site. But if I do get on my tolerance is not the same.


[Edited on 09.26.2012 11:28 PM PDT]

  • 09.26.2012 11:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
So I ask, after my extremely verbose rant, what do you think drives Members to fight with one another, or to pick on and hate one another when indifference's are so easy to ignore?


From my experience. Jealousy.

  • 09.26.2012 11:33 PM PDT

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Sounds like your talking about family. In a way we are a family. And with all families, there is a dynamic that binds us together. It is this dynamic that can cause friction between nodes.

The advice I can offer is, when you see something negative, contribute something positive, and hope for the best.

  • 09.26.2012 11:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Holy -blam!- that was one hell of a read...nice Helveck.

Helveck for B.net President 2012
I can think of some more candidates...

  • 09.26.2012 11:58 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I don't get personal on here. I don't connect with others on here. I recognize your name, but I can't say who you are. People are always going on about how they hate Member X or Member Y. Each time I ask why they hate that user. I get many reasons, but I never shared any of them. I barely even realized that member X was so prolific before that thread. They were just another user. Sure I argue and debate, but I never let it get to me personally, just like I never let members connect with me. Is that bad or good? I don't know.

  • 09.27.2012 8:59 AM PDT

La-hoo, Za-her.

Posted by: T1d3
DeeJ says those who remain are the Iron Core. For some reason that made me feel good, like I belong to some weird cult. A cult that can't agree on anything or what we follow.

It's a little sad that, once the throngs return, we'll all just disappear back into the noise, with nothing but vague nameplates to identify those who weathered the darkness.

And even those aren't guaranteed to survive the New Hotness.

  • 09.27.2012 9:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Hey, guys, what's going on in this thread?
Someone tell Kivell that he is a lie.


Get WorkPlaced!


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Posted by: Helveck
Sometimes we even suffer loss together.


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  • 09.27.2012 9:44 AM PDT

Do you know what the real problem is? People who take something like this way to seriously and then post an 18 paragraph post about it like there the internet version of John Lock, who think they will enlighten the ignorant masses. This is not the first time I have seen a thread like this, nor will it be the last I'm sure. This is a internet forum my friend, not some great civilization where we need to unite against the evil barbarian horde. I left this site for about 5 months, not because I got tired of people saying stupid things or because of arguments, but because I got tired of all the drama that would happen and people would start posting about how "things have changed" and "it's not the group they joined", they thought it was such a big deal, when in reality it was just someone I have never met in real life complaining about a internet forum.

News flash, it really does not matter. If B.net is a big thing in your life, good for you my friend, but don't drag other people into it because we don't care if people are getting "driven off" or where not "uniting under a shining banner" because quite frankly it does not matter at all.

[Edited on 09.27.2012 10:03 AM PDT]

  • 09.27.2012 9:58 AM PDT

this is all summed up to the internet. It's pretty much the same Anonymity that makes people be jerks in a matchmaking game. in the same light, all forums have bickering, especially when politics are brought up, be thankful that doesn't happen here. The diverse age here is also a catalyst since kids might mouth off to someone elder without respect, and there should be some kind of hurt feelings report where users can say eg. "DeeJ hurt my feelings" but when things like that(reputation) are added they are always abused and fail.

  • 09.27.2012 10:02 AM PDT

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I'll be completely honest... Too long; didn't read

  • 09.27.2012 10:11 AM PDT

Progo, Shrew, Chryso, all are the same.

The OP speaks truth, but I also agree with others that we gamers are a rowdy crew, so maybe we should try to maintain our raging passion without ruining the experience.

  • 09.27.2012 10:19 AM PDT