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Subject: THE FLOOD where did they come from? (THEORY)
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I start out with a quote from "The art of Halo" page 80 something I think:

"But when the Flood was first ENCOUNTERED (so any theory saying they created the Flood can please be trashed), the Forerunners retrofitted some of these gas mines to study the parasite. Dangling from a support superstructure higher in the atmosphere, the mines could be detached in the event of an outbreak. The Forerunners captured and stored countless specimens in their DESPERATE search for any defense against the Flood.
All that they learned was that more extreme measures would be necessary. (like building ringworlds that could kill all life that could host the Flood)"


My theory is that the Forerunners built the gas mines over Threshold to harvest the planets gas for plasma use. They later encounterned the Flood on the surface of Treshold. 343 GS tells MC he was good at preparing for his mission since his armor should let him breath even when the Flood had changed the atmosphere. Maybe they turn the atmosphere in to a gas. And then Treshold may once have been a inhabitet planet where a bio-weapon went wrong and killed everyone and turned the atomsphere to gas. It could be another planet but since the Forerunners retrofitted the mines over Treshold to study and hold the Flood they captured I believe they didnt want to travel far with the parasite aboard. And my I remind you that the gas mines where built a couple of thousand years before the rings.

All that they learned (from studying the Flood at the old mines) was that more extreme measures would be necessary. So they built the rings, and since they made the rings the weapons they are, I dont think the Forerunners had any hope of finding a defense against the Flood.

And I still find it interesting what 343GS says in Conversations from the Universe:
"The interlopers appear to have accidentally released the Flood infection forms. This situation is rapidly deteriorating. Most of these interlopers appear to contain ample calcium stores. And they've brought plentiful means for the Flood to escape containment and spread. How impossibly thoughtless. I suppose I'll have to activate the facility."

Its the part about the interlopers containing ample calcium stores that got my atention. I beleave it has something to do with the Flood. I think a creature with high calcium stores are easier to convert to a combat form, and that for exampel grunts are only turned to carriers becourse the have to little calcium in them. making them someway not as good hosts as humans and Sangheili.

[Edited on 6/26/2006]

  • 06.25.2006 2:54 PM PDT

Nice theory, i enjoyed reading it.

  • 06.25.2006 3:10 PM PDT
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Not bad.

  • 06.25.2006 3:13 PM PDT
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Quite a simple theory. I always wondered why the flood didn't use just any life form as hosts, but seemingly overlooked a few things; however, I did notice they'd only use stronger and more intelligents life forms, though I never understood why they didn't use Hunters for hosts until I foound out they simply couldn't for some reason. Overall, nice theory.

  • 06.25.2006 5:43 PM PDT
Subject: THE FLOOD where did they come from? (THEORY)
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I think its the simplicity of it that makes it belevable. Its logic aswell and all based on facts from the Halo universe.

  • 06.26.2006 3:29 AM PDT
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Personaly I think that the Threshold was allways a gas giant, the idea of the Flood producing a gas is probably more likely.

  • 06.26.2006 3:57 AM PDT
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What i think is more intresting is how 343 can be glad that the flood has reproduced.
Espcially when covenant has came to the planet with ships.

  • 06.26.2006 3:59 AM PDT
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THe flood came from the first halo -they were some sorty of paralistic licve form on the first halo- thats my theory.

  • 06.26.2006 4:29 AM PDT
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U r right mate!!!

  • 06.26.2006 4:29 AM PDT
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but thats just answering where they came from and thats already known

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  • 06.26.2006 4:37 AM PDT
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mommy gravemind hugged daddy gravemind,then they got a lot of baby flood.

This theory is under development so don't take it as a truth fact...


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  • 06.26.2006 4:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: quezcatol
mommy gravemind hugged daddy gravemind,then they got a lot of baby flood.

This theory is under development so don't take it as a truth fact...


ooh so thats where flood came from...

  • 06.26.2006 4:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: trinitrotoulene
Posted by: quezcatol
mommy gravemind hugged daddy gravemind,then they got a lot of baby flood.

This theory is under development so don't take it as a truth fact...


ooh so thats where flood came from...


Yes. i dont know where mommy gravemind is though...

  • 06.26.2006 4:43 AM PDT
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sorry ill have to disagree.

Threshold is a gas giant, and always has been.

Refering to your changing into gas part

For something to be a solid planet, it has to have solid matter. And for a Gas planet, it has to be made of gas. This means that it cannot just change into a gas because it involves applying very high temperature constantly to keep it gas. It would not occur naturally. The reason why gas giants exist is because their made from hydrogen and helium, which are gases even at very low temperatures.

So basically you cant just change the structure of a planet like that, from solid>gas. Just wont work.

  • 06.26.2006 5:01 AM PDT
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maybe flood have hive mind like aliens from the film umm aliens. when flood take over hosts they must gain a certain amount of host knowledge as the flood can use human and covenant weapons and vehicles. maybe flood produce plasma which would explain gas mines on threshold?

  • 06.26.2006 6:07 AM PDT

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uf the flood was discovered on threshold then how did they get to all the other halos. were they transpoted or are there other planets with flood on them. Did any one notice what kind of planet delta halo was orbiting cuz if it waz a gas giant than there may be a pattern. also i believe the fact that the flood produce gas. That is why there are always those little flying particles and orangy gas in all the levels with the flood

  • 06.26.2006 6:44 AM PDT
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it doesnt matter the flood are goin to earth and they will be infected by our bacteria and die like in war of the worlds

  • 06.26.2006 6:50 AM PDT
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I think there is something about the flood we do not know yet.

A race as advanced enough to build the halos could easily have destoryed the flood; by making an army or robots.. immune to the flood.

no, there is something more sinister that everyone has overlooked. what could it be though?
Lets face it, if the flood have no one on a planet to infect, then all they have really, is infection forms, which as you know- do bugger all vs sentinals.

hmmmmmmmmm?


  • 06.26.2006 6:54 AM PDT
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Something else about Threshhold: The compases on all the assault rifles pointed to Threshhold. Did Captain Keyes set them like that uppon discovering the planet or were they attracted to it for some reason? (I don't remember exactly what happened with those)

  • 06.26.2006 6:58 AM PDT
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I feel the gravemind description in art of halo puts down any theories that gravemind is somehow a mother form or creater of flood as he is described as being created and crafted together from corpses. I think there would have had to been some form of flood before they made this massive form from other organisms' corpses.

More likely gravemind was created after wards by the flood to help organize their collective thoughts and plans for consumption of the universe etc.

Sorry if that got off task but that lattle input somewhat narrows the options of how the flood were created by eliminating gravemind as a mother/ creator form.

Really chances are that they encountered infection froms of the flood while searching some planet (s) such as the gas giants around where the halos are located. It seemed like the sentinels were trying to collect and perhaps harvest the gasses of the planet. Perhaps it was used for some vital task such as fuel or medical purposes within the forerunner society and when they found out that it was the flood that produced this wonderful gas which they used they realized the danger they presented and things just spiraled or some other random occurance took place than the flood somehow spread. Who knows accidents happen how can be sure some neglegent forerunner didn't remember to search his ship and somehow let the flood spread to all of his stops or some simple mishap like that.

Or there is always the rip off of starcraft explaination where the xel naga created the protoss to have unlimited mental capability and the zerg to have unlimited physical capability. Though the zerg became unruly and consumed and killed the xel naga.

Perhaps a similar story fits into halo where perhaps the forerunners discovered and modified the simple flood virus into a powerful physical form that eventually consumed or killed them (until they suicided themselves with the halos) then they also discovered and possibly enhanced early mankind mentally to give them unlimited mental capabilty (with humans only using 40% of their brain and still being able to even enhance upon forerunner tech that the covies can only directly copy who knows what could be accomplished if we used our full potential)

Though I may just be imposing my own preferences through my own experienceswith both games and perhaps may be putting too much into all of this.

  • 06.26.2006 8:40 AM PDT
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if the gravemind did create the flood, the only true flood organism is the infection forms, the small ones. they infest someonesbody and interfere with their nervous system, match theirDNA, erase all memories, and eventually mutate their bodies and control them forever. while under this, the original being still feels and sees, so he's still alive,beingused by some other force against hiswill to hurt others.

  • 06.26.2006 9:00 AM PDT

I think the Drones need to kill the Flood. They can't be touched if they're flying.

  • 06.26.2006 9:17 AM PDT