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Subject: Should you be in trouble for unintended events?

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
]Jesus Christ ken its a warning! Stop before you lose the respect of everyone on the Community Forum. You got warned. Big deal. You should've just PM'd the mod about it. If you had been banned then I would be all for your push for civil rights (even though you don't nor ever will have any). But you weren't, ken. You weren't. You were warned. And you're still a Fabled Legendary Member.

Your gold stars are intact, skenny; the teacher just told you to stop doodling in your notebook.

Stop doodling in your notebook.


lol

crazy, I understand, my thread is to point out how I think it is silly to say the OP of a thread is responsible for the actions of other posters in de-railing a thread.

The thread was not about politics, never became one, yet was locked after 4 pages of discussions because of a fear of what if. Which, BTW, showed no apparent signs of it becoming a flame war.

Anyone who posted off topically should of been dealt with, not the OP.

  • 09.30.2012 12:49 PM PDT
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This much whining and complaining about a warning?

I mean damn, even if you got a 3 day, this would still be pointless complaining. Your thread had election in the title, whether you intended it or not it was to some extent a political thread.

With that warning, you should have just looked at it and said "ok, guess I'll stay far far away from anything remotely to do with politics", which is what the mods want.

Instead, you come on here and make a pointless thread whining about a rule that will not change in any way?

I mean, damn dude, if you are that concerned about your title and "OMG MY RECORD IS RUINED IT HAS BEEN EXACTLY 8 MONTHS 23 DAYS AND 2 HOURS SINCE MY LAST BAN", maybe it is time to take a break from the old forums, no?

  • 09.30.2012 12:50 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Elite Mouse
This much whining and complaining about a warning?

I mean damn, even if you got a 3 day, this would still be pointless complaining. Your thread had election in the title, whether you intended it or not it was to some extent a political thread.

With that warning, you should have just looked at it and said "ok, guess I'll stay far far away from anything remotely to do with politics", which is what the mods want.

Instead, you come on here and make a pointless thread whining about a rule that will not change in any way?

I mean, damn dude, if you are that concerned about your title and "OMG MY RECORD IS RUINED IT HAS BEEN EXACTLY 8 MONTHS 23 DAYS AND 2 HOURS SINCE MY LAST BAN", maybe it is time to take a break from the old forums, no?


Do you not realize how intertwined politics, the government, and law can be in day to day news.

Do you realize the implications of making threads with the fear of getting warned/banned even if your thread has nothing to do with those subjects or it is not directly about them?

Think about that for a second and realize the implications.

  • 09.30.2012 12:53 PM PDT

Subject: If you saw a meteor coming toward Earth, what would you do?Posted by: juniorbandit96
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Wouldn't it be Ironic if Sken got warned or banned for making this thread?

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Alright, let's all dial it back a bit. This is becoming heated, and its simply not worth even that potentiality.

OT: Your thread was locked because it was inherently political. Whomever locked it doesn't care about your intent, it was about events ancillary to an election, which is inherently political. Repeating that you don't think it was political and that "it was fine" won't change that. In fact, if all this thread is just complaining about a locked thread, I'm going to lock this one. You can complain about policy or general action, but not about a specific locked thread.

So, get back on the policy aspect, stop connecting it to a single thread, or this is gone.

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?

My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.

  • 09.30.2012 12:55 PM PDT

Key

The point of a thread is to put people on a highway of discussion. There are off ramps here or there into other regions of the discussion and sometimes U-turns into off-topic-ocity but it's mainly a straight away. You, with this thread, put people directly at an intersection and told them to turn right to go to the doctor, but they knew they could turn left and go to Disney World. Just because most of them turned right and, when the odd one or two beckoned everyone to turn left and were not followed, doesn't mean you didn't do a bad job at thread making.






Life is a highway, ken, and I'm gonna drive it (all night long). You should, too.

  • 09.30.2012 12:55 PM PDT

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#moap

What implications? It's stated in the rules not to do it. This isn't a gaming forum to discuss politics. If you want to use private groups. If you question the thread topic, message a mod with the details. Chances are if you question if it breaks a rule it does. This should be taken up with the moderator in question if you want clarification. Use common sense ken.

[Edited on 09.30.2012 12:57 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2012 12:56 PM PDT

GOAT

This thread makes the community forum look terrible.

oh wait. It is.

[Edited on 09.30.2012 12:59 PM PDT]

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I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

Why is this a thread?
You're obviously salty over a moderator Warning you over your thread that was about someone advertising/rewarding people for watching a Political debate.

While the thread didn't get overly flamey, it still broke the rules. Sorry broseph.

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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

you lost me at "[REDACTED]"

  • 09.30.2012 12:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I've challenged my beliefs. What is the book about?


I find that this is usually untrue. If religious people honestly, diligently and intelligently challenged their beliefs, there would be no religious people.


Posted by: evilcam
Alright, let's all dial it back a bit. This is becoming heated, and its simply not worth even that potentiality.

OT: Your thread was locked because it was inherently political. Whomever locked it doesn't care about your intent, it was about events ancillary to an election, which is inherently political. Repeating that you don't think it was political and that "it was fine" won't change that. In fact, if all this thread is just complaining about a locked thread, I'm going to lock this one. You can complain about policy or general action, but not about a specific locked thread.

So, get back on the policy aspect, stop connecting it to a single thread, or this is gone.

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?

My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.

I wish I could make threats.

  • 09.30.2012 12:59 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
9/30/2012 3:45 AM: [REDACTED][1848159] sent a warning to this user.
Warning Text: You have been sent a warning from [REDACTED] This warning's text is below:

A Bungie.net Forum Moderator has warned you for violating the code of conduct and/or rules of the forum in the thread below. Further violations will likely result in a ban.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=75030807

Political discussion is prohibited, Ken. Please do not start threads that are near-certain turn into political discussion


The thread in question was about how Microsoft was getting people to watch a stream of a debate by giving away armor.

The thread itself was not intended to be political, it was about the promotion. The thread also never went into a political debate nor went off-topic.

Can you punish people for a thread potentially doing something while never doing it? Also if the thread did turn into a political debate but never was intended to be, why should the OP be punished for it?

Just because something his ties to politics does not mean it is a thread about politics.

(Now I understand the reasoning of the mod, but I still feel that punishing the OP for something that never happened is silly)


Please do not start threads that are near-certain turn into political discussion

Forum Ninja candidates should have extensive knowledge of the English language and proper grammar.

There's a contradiction for you.

Why should someone be punished for something that "are near certain turn into political discussion"? Is it political discussion or isn't it? Mentioning a political figure isn't isn't political discussion if they aren't being talked about in a political context.

Discussing Xbox Live rewards isn't political. Simply mentioning "watching the debate" isn't political.

Seriously, a rule is something we're supposed to be able to follow. Not some string of nonsense words that don't mean anything. Whoever warned you for this didn't think that through.

  • 09.30.2012 1:00 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: evilcam
Alright, let's all dial it back a bit. This is becoming heated, and its simply not worth even that potentiality.

OT: Your thread was locked because it was inherently political. Whomever locked it doesn't care about your intent, it was about events ancillary to an election, which is inherently political. Repeating that you don't think it was political and that "it was fine" won't change that. In fact, if all this thread is just complaining about a locked thread, I'm going to lock this one. You can complain about policy or general action, but not about a specific locked thread.

So, get back on the policy aspect, stop connecting it to a single thread, or this is gone.

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?

My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.


Okay but lets say in this case it is a flame war. If the OP of a thread did not make a thread to spark a flame war and someone else did, why should they be punished for it?

Also why should people be punished if nothing happened? Why not just lock the thread?

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Posted by: evilcam
Alright, let's all dial it back a bit. This is becoming heated, and its simply not worth even that potentiality.
Mind as to why. Most people get tired of having to repeat themselves when someone asks a question, but they just don't like the answer.

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?
My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.
You have no idea how nice it was to see you answer that. Really, I don't know why, but I feel like the idea that someone can avoid responsibility if they didn't think something through, is a growing trend, and thankfully not everyone agrees with that trend.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Life is a highway, ken, and I'm gonna drive it (all night long). You should, too.
Just earned some cool points.


Now for my own input. Beyond what anyone else has said, I would have done the same thing. Warning or message, really doesn't matter to me. The only thing it does is effect your title, which it obviously didn't in your case, so either way its no reason to create a thread about it.

And on that note, isn't creating threads about your own locked thread somewhere else a bannable offense? Or is the a mod digression? Serious question here.

[Edited on 09.30.2012 1:06 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2012 1:03 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: jyrine

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?
My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.
You have no idea how nice it was to see you answer that. Really, I don't know why, but I feel like the idea of that someone can avoiding responsibility if they didn't think it through, is a growing trend, and thankfully not everyone agrees with that trend.


I think that is scary how freely mods can ban people for "potential" things. You could say many threads could turn into a flame war, does that mean we lock and warn/ban all the threads if someone tries to start someone.

I believe the OP should not be responsible for the actions of others in a thread if the intent of the thread was not to break any rules.

After all, if the thread has the potential to be something else, that implies that is currently not against the rules. It also means that it shouldn't be the OPs fault if trolls ruin it.

  • 09.30.2012 1:06 PM PDT

Subject: If you saw a meteor coming toward Earth, what would you do?Posted by: juniorbandit96
Butter my ass, turn around, spread open my butt cheeks, and say "Right here mutha-blam!-a!!"

Join Planetary Annihilation and Speed Haven

Posted by: spartain ken 15
To have avoided all of this you should have made the thread like this.

TITLE: Why should microsoft bribe people with items for watching something?

BODY: Is there a reason? Do they just want people to be more aware?
Thought of this when I saw this [link to article]


Also, the reason is pretty obvious to why so I don't see why a thread is necessary

  • 09.30.2012 1:11 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: evilcam
Alright, let's all dial it back a bit. This is becoming heated, and its simply not worth even that potentiality.

OT: Your thread was locked because it was inherently political. Whomever locked it doesn't care about your intent, it was about events ancillary to an election, which is inherently political. Repeating that you don't think it was political and that "it was fine" won't change that. In fact, if all this thread is just complaining about a locked thread, I'm going to lock this one. You can complain about policy or general action, but not about a specific locked thread.

So, get back on the policy aspect, stop connecting it to a single thread, or this is gone.

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?

My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.


Okay but lets say in this case it is a flame war. If the OP of a thread did not make a thread to spark a flame war and someone else did, why should they be punished for it?

Also why should people be punished if nothing happened? Why not just lock the thread?
/refersyoutomyhighwaypost

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: jyrine

Should a user be potentially punished for unintended consequences?
My answer, hell yes. That potentiality for punishment should always be on the table. It should be at the ninja's discretion to lay it on that user though. Which, of course, it is.
You have no idea how nice it was to see you answer that. Really, I don't know why, but I feel like the idea of that someone can avoiding responsibility if they didn't think it through, is a growing trend, and thankfully not everyone agrees with that trend.


I think that is scary how freely mods can ban people for "potential" things. You could say many threads could turn into a flame war, does that mean we lock and warn/ban all the threads if someone tries to start someone.

I believe the OP should not be responsible for the actions of others in a thread if the intent of the thread was not to break any rules.

After all, if the thread has the potential to be something else, that implies that is currently not against the rules. It also means that it shouldn't be the OPs fault if trolls ruin it.


This is real life ken. Get used to it.

Cop pulls someone over. Passenger has drugs on them. They get arrested. What happens to the driver? Do they get arrested? Normally no. But they do get a nice long talking to on how it could affect them, and what they could get charged with.

That is exactly what happened to you.
how freely mods can ban people for "potential" things Really? Like what? Cause you're no banned as far as I can tell.


As Woot said, stop with the slippery slope crap.

  • 09.30.2012 1:28 PM PDT

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"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I believe the OP should not be responsible for the actions of others in a thread if the intent of the thread was not to break any rules.

"My friends are drunk driving and I'm sober, can I get arrested?"

Stop playing in the grey area, consequences are inbound. Every single time you make a post, you take a risk. Welcome to online forums. It's up to the discretion of moderators and the web-team of your post and intent of your post.

There are strict rules in play about political and religious discussion specifically. The line for those are black and white, just avoid the situation and you're all clear kid.

It's like being in the backseat of a car and your driver gets pulled over for no seatbelt and intoxicated. Even though you are perfectly fine, you are in the situation. The cop will most likely have a word with you (warning). You created that scenario for yourself. You could have simply not gone in the car. I'd say you're lucky for only getting a warning.

[Edited on 09.30.2012 1:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2012 1:32 PM PDT

Yes, if it was likely enough to instigate something.

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Posted by: spawn031

It's like getting pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt, then your driver gets arrested for being under the influence. Even though YOU are perfectly fine, you are in the situation. You created that scenario for yourself. You could have simply not gone in the car. I'd say you're lucky for only getting a warning.


You're not "lucky", you got punished for doing what you did, not wearing your seat belt.

Your analogy is confusing.

  • 09.30.2012 1:42 PM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

Posted by: coolmike699
Your analogy is confusing.
My apologies. You're in the backseat. Your driver isn't wearing a seatbelt, also intoxicated. They get arrested. You probably aren't going to get arrested, but the cops will have a word with you about your actions.

That would be Ken's warning in this case. It could have been avoided by not getting in the car.

  • 09.30.2012 1:48 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

I say we occupy the community forum until Kens warning is erased!

  • 09.30.2012 2:52 PM PDT

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Why can't people keep this between themselves and the mods? PM's exist for a RAISON. I don't care if you were banned or warned, don't bring this drama to the mains. You're lucky you got away with a warning. I don't understand how you thought that thread wouldn't get out of hand.

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I understand nothing because my life is a conspiracy.

Cool your jets, it's just a warning. If it was a ban, then I think it would be a little overkill.

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