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Poll: I've read the entire post and...  [closed]
I want this in Halo 3.:  11%
(7 Votes)
it's a good idea, but needs improvement.:  23%
(14 Votes)
I prefer it not to be in Halo 3.:  66%
(41 Votes)
Total Votes: 62

I've received mixed responses everywhere on this idea, but I believe most are starting to come around to understanding its potential. Check out this post, and I ask you to please read it in its entirety and give it thought before your most appreciated comments are contributed.

ONE POINT FOR ALL... and be true to yourself about this... when we were all happy playing Halo: Combat Evolved... if somebody came up to you and explained to you an idea to duel wield a weapon, what would your reaction have been? Or think about if someone purposed the idea to board vehicles, would you have ridiculed it saying? "duh, you might get sniped!" Most likely if you’re not giving this idea a chance, at least for it to be play-tested and player approved, you would have rejected the innovations that made Halo 2.

The thought behind this idea is that if not performed with skill the victim may have a chance of retaliating and avoiding death, making for more strategic battle situations. Yet this idea will definitely satisfy the attacker if executed skillfully. The essence is battle tactics, skillful execution and evaluating the possibilities of engagement.

The idea is:

When you come within a certain distance behind an enemy your action button will become active (in most cases this is the X button).* This action will send your character into a special move to execute a weapon steal leaving your opponent shield-less and forced to their inventory weapon. If they are dual wielding then the action only takes one weapon leaving the other still in the opponent’s right hand. If there is no weapon in your opponent’s inventory, the attack may leave them weaponless but they can now perform a lunge attack similar to the sword lunge, this attack can only be performed while weaponless and allows the player to snatch a weapon out of any opponent’s hand. This lunge can be performed even to the front-side of any opponent and has the capacity to leave the attacked shield-less.

*Note: Since this move is done behind another character; a melee from behind would damage their shield significantly but no longer instant kill. This is necessary in order to be true to the essence of this idea.

Possible scenarios:

Scenario 1:

An unwitting opponent runs by you without noticing you were there. You can't resist taking advantage of this stealthy opportunity. You notice that he has a BR, so you decide to run up behind him and hit the action button. Your character swings his arm and bats down his opponent’s gun arm at the same time grabbing the BR with his other hand. As he does this his arm comes back up and elbows the opponent in his temple. All this was done in one smooth motion. He hears a loud beeping. His shield is down. By now you've already regained control of your character. With BR in hand you pop a quick burst of bullets in his face. He's down before he can say wort, wort, wort! Assassination successfully executed! This whole scenario was done in about 3 seconds.

Scenario 2:

You and your buddy are crouching through a tunnel and happen to stumble on an enemy with a rocket launcher firing at vehicles at the tunnels opening. He has no idea you are there. With his back turned, you whisper to your buddy, "Hey watch this." You crouch up behind him, action button! Your character rips the rocket launcher off the enemy's shoulder like a bottle opener while thrusting a swift knee to the back. With control of your character now and rocket launcher in hand you give him a good BONK on the head and he falls at your feet. All of this happened within the matter of a couple seconds. Your buddy flips over what he just witnessed and praises your skill for the rest of that game session.

Scenario 3:

You noticed that a player is camping out in his base and hasn't noticed you yet. You get cocky and tell yourself, "this guy is gonna get pwned." He has his back to you, but you didn't pay attention to the fact that he is dual wielding a needler and a plasma pistol. When you attempt to take him by surprise, you manage to take the needler, which was his left hand weapon. Just as you’re about to melee he moves to the side and blasts you with his plasma pistol, then finishes you off with a melee to your side. Even though he was thrown off, he kept his calm during his "shield-down alarm" and managed to overcome his attacker. What skill!

Those are just a couple of scenarios; there would be so many ways to execute these types of assassinations boosting the fun factor. Remember though that in those scenarios; skill, speed and accuracy were the determining factors. If you missed the head shot or failed to melee fast enough in the first two, the hunter could have become the victim. In each situation at the end of the action your left face to face before executing the final blow and you don't know what kind of weapon your opponent has in his inventory. It could be a sword, shotgun, or nothing. Don't forget you’re just as dangerous weaponless, he could lunge at you if you missed the head-shot, take his weapon back and kill you.

This idea would also be utilized in multi-player game-types such as Oddball or Assault. The ability to action steal the bomb in Neutral Bomb or the skull in Oddball. Imagine what other game types can spawn from this ability.

Q & A:

Q: Wouldn't this idea completely redefine the way Halo is played as a First Person Shooter.

A: No. This idea will not completely change the way we play. It will not cause players to stop throwing frags before they unload their SMG, or stop players for making a break for rockets, or using their shotgun at close range to blow a hole in their opponent, or make a sniper less accurate and efficient, or stop a player from sticking a plasma grenade, or using the plasma pistol/BR combo, or flying over-head with a banshee frustrating everyone, or stop them from capturing the flag and making a comic run on the warthog, or splattering players with their ghost, and so many other game-play maneuvers and tactics. Halo will be Halo.

Q: Would a stealing an opponents weapon cause you to have 3 in your inventory?

A: No. Just like picking up a new weapon, you drop your primary. This would occur as part of the weapon steal action. You would see your character toss it aside; if you are dual wielding you will drop both weapons to perform the action.

Q: What if you don't want to weapon steal?

A: You don't have to. You can still shoot, grenade, or melee. However the melee would not instant kill; it would significantly drop their shield though. Your decision is made by determining what's best with the situation you're in.

Q: How do I know when it's best to steal a weapon?

A: This is part of what makes this so exciting. It leaves you options to choose from. Do you want to one shot kill him with your shotgun or do you prefer to take his own sword and shove it where it hurts most? You have to evaluate the situation and see if it would be best to execute a weapon steal. What does he have equipped as the primary? What is the secondary? Are any of his teammates around? Strategy and battle tactics are elemental.

Q: What if I'm afraid of what they have as a secondary weapon?

A: Once again, choice. I personally feel however that the secondary weapon should be visible, such as strapped to the back or hip.

Q: Wouldn't the action be to slow, kind of like Splinter Cell, leaving you more vulnerable?

A: No. When you read the description in the scenario it feels long because you’re reading every movement your character might make. When actually performed it would take about a second or two. It takes longer to unload a half clip of a SMG.....and by the way please don't compare it to Splinter Cell, if you do you don't have the right idea.


So, what do you think? Please reply if you have any thoughts for improvement on this idea. Supporting comments are also most welcome.

[Edited on 6/26/2006]

  • 06.25.2006 6:33 PM PDT
Subject: The Weapon Jack: Re-examined
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Personally, i feel that the idea is good, but has a few things that i think should be changed:

1) I dont feel that the shields should be completely knocked out by the steal move. I mean, your shieldless, without a gun, and completely disoriented. I think thats quite a big disadvantage. The shield drop should be equivalent to a standard melee. Somewhere around a third to half of the shield.

2) There should be some form of counter to this attack, and not just killing him after the move is done. This should be a move that can only be performed with surprise, and not just run up to a person and pull it off. The way i see it, for the first quarter of a second during the move, if u hit X, it should cause a counter move, which damages the shield of the attacker. Maybe it could incorperate an element from Resi 4, and make it a random button each time, so it requires very fast reflexes to counter.

3) I just can't live with the idea of there being no 1-hit assassinations in Halo 3. Assassinations are a thing that are part of the Halo universe. Maybe its just sentimental, but I don't want to get rid of something that was there from the begining.

  • 06.25.2006 6:45 PM PDT
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no that is a stupid idea, and will only cause problems and hate.

  • 06.25.2006 6:49 PM PDT
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I just don't like the idea of FINALLY getting my hands on the sword or shotgun only to have it stolen. It wouldn't feel very "Master Chief like" if that happened. Master Chief DOES NOT willingly let a weapon leave his grasp unless its from his cold, dead fingers!!!!!!!!

  • 06.25.2006 9:30 PM PDT
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I love this idea.

A weapon steal would add insult to injury and since both the Spartan and Elite (and possibly Brute?) are equally powerful, it would not be out of the question.

I think it would be Bungie's next step. Have a cookie for such a good read.

  • 06.25.2006 9:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dirty Vince
I just don't like the idea of FINALLY getting my hands on the sword or shotgun only to have it stolen. It wouldn't feel very "Master Chief like" if that happened. Master Chief DOES NOT willingly let a weapon leave his grasp unless its from his cold, dead fingers!!!!!!!!


I personally really like this reply. Even though your not agreeing, it's a genuine comment of what you want to see. Thats the kind of comments I like to read. Not some moron saying," duh, no that's a stupid idea," and gives no reason.Thank you.

  • 06.25.2006 11:47 PM PDT
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this is like the third or fourth time this stupid thread has been posted today.

The weapon Jack is not gonna happen. leave this -blam!-ness be!

  • 06.25.2006 11:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: einx359
Personally, i feel that the idea is good, but has a few things that i think should be changed:

1) I dont feel that the shields should be completely knocked out by the steal move. I mean, your shieldless, without a gun, and completely disoriented. I think thats quite a big disadvantage. The shield drop should be equivalent to a standard melee. Somewhere around a third to half of the shield.

2) There should be some form of counter to this attack, and not just killing him after the move is done. This should be a move that can only be performed with surprise, and not just run up to a person and pull it off. The way i see it, for the first quarter of a second during the move, if u hit X, it should cause a counter move, which damages the shield of the attacker. Maybe it could incorperate an element from Resi 4, and make it a random button each time, so it requires very fast reflexes to counter.

3) I just can't live with the idea of there being no 1-hit assassinations in Halo 3. Assassinations are a thing that are part of the Halo universe. Maybe its just sentimental, but I don't want to get rid of something that was there from the begining.


Answer to 1) The sheild needs to be dropped completely and the victim must be disadvantaged because this move would replace the one-hitter. This is illustrated in the scenarios. When I refered to disoriented, I did't mean your screen would be come fuzzy or anything like that, I just meant that when you hear the beeping of your shields down it will general throw you off at first.

Answer to 2) The counter is the lunge. The action is supposed to be performed "by surprise." It can only be executed behind the other player. Re-examine the post it's all there.

Answer to 3) Don't got one. Appreciate the sentimental value of the one-hitter myself. But sometimes we gotta let go and move on to bigger better things.

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  • 06.25.2006 11:53 PM PDT
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Answers to your answers:

1: first off... there would be no point to dropping the shield right after you take their gun.

If you're gonna sneak up behind someone and grab their gun and then their shield goes away it's a one shot kill from any weapon, all you have to do is hit them in the back and you get BOTH their guns!! WOW!!!

2: If you grab their gun from behind how the hell would they lunge at you? stop re-posting this thread everytime it dies.

  • 06.25.2006 11:58 PM PDT
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The last man on Earth sat in a room, there came a knock at the door.

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This is way over complicated. You're also taking out a very cool part of the game, assassinations.

There is a much simpler system in place:
1) Assassinate victim
2) Exchange weapons as needed

It just seems really unnecessary to me.

  • 06.26.2006 12:01 AM PDT
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Why the -blam!- steal his weapon instead of just meeling him in the back ( which would kill him with one shot)
and then just pick Up his weapon
Ur idea SUCKS

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  • 06.26.2006 12:01 AM PDT
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How about this for a trick: lets keep the old wack to the back of the head as it is.

First, weapon stealing? I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but that is a dumb idea for a game such as Halo. Maybe in a game like Splinter Cell, but Halo? Next thing you know, Master Chief will be sticking his back to a wall and knocking to distract the enemy, no offense towards Metal Gear Solid fans intended. "The old wack to the back of the head" is just so Halo-like it can't be removed or changed.

  • 06.26.2006 12:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
Answers to your answers:

1: first off... there would be no point to dropping the shield right after you take their gun.

If you're gonna sneak up behind someone and grab their gun and then their shield goes away it's a one shot kill from any weapon, all you have to do is hit them in the back and you get BOTH their guns!! WOW!!!

2: If you grab their gun from behind how the hell would they lunge at you? stop re-posting this thread everytime it dies.


Dude, I understand that. The point is not to have a cool move to steal a weapon and kill him with it, even though some people like that. I personnaly am not driven by that idea. READ THE STINKIN' POST ENTIRELY and may be you might understand the essance of it.

  • 06.26.2006 12:03 AM PDT
Subject: The Essence: Swordfish!?
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Man, having a weapon stealing move or whatever Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell like rip-off move in Halo would totally kill the Halo vibe. How about we just keep the old by working wack? It will safe the guys at Bungie a hack of a lot of time to work on more important stuff like... plot and... Master Chief's cool factor and... the campaign and... well, work on the important stuff as in not working on stuff that is not important. You know what I mean, right?

  • 06.26.2006 12:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pepeu
How about this for a trick: lets keep the old wack to the back of the head as it is.

First, weapon stealing? I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but that is a dumb idea for a game such as Halo. Maybe in a game like Splinter Cell, but Halo? Next thing you know, Master Chief will be sticking his back to a wall and knocking to distract the enemy, no offense towards Metal Gear Solid fans intended. "The old wack to the back of the head" is just so Halo-like it can't be removed or changed.


You know what...I've come to the conclusion that people like you are hopeless. This goes for everyone else who just made a comment on this thread with-out reading the whole post.Hopeless individuals with no thinking ability or reasonableness. I bet all the individuals who do this are a bunch of loser teenagers with no jobs that will end up working for some fast food chain. Advice..learn to read the fine print, it might save you someday.

[Edited on 6/26/2006]

  • 06.26.2006 12:11 AM PDT
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I read the whole damn post. That's the exact reason that you have for stealing their gun, that and trying to make the game more "intense." i say the game is fine the way it is when it comes to that. i'd rather kill someone with a quick hit to their back than try and come take their gun from them, as the poll says 68% of people agree with me.

Oh and when you say we're all a bunch of dumb teenagers... you're probably a stupid ass little 11 year-old who shouldn't even be playing the games anyway.

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  • 06.26.2006 12:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
I read the whole damn post. That's the exact reason that you have for stealing their gun, that and trying to make the game more "intense." i say the game is fine the way it is when it comes to that. i'd rather kill someone with a quick hit to their back than try and come take their gun from them, as the poll says more than 63% of people agree with me.


That's all you had to say.

That's 63% out of only a hand full on this thread. The scales have tipped the other direction in other threads for this same post.

  • 06.26.2006 12:15 AM PDT
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Only because you've posted this -blam!- ass thread about 4 times today already.

I've been on randomly over today and this thread just seems to keep popping up with your name on it.

oh and by the way... the only time i've ever seen this thread have more than a few percent toward wanting gun jacking is when you were the first poster and the only one who had take the -blam!- pole so far.

Get your head out of your ass and stop posting this, it's not going to show up in halo simply because hitting someone in the back and instantly killing them is part of that 30 seconds of fun that make the whole -blam!- game come together.

P.S. i just realised that you're still the only one whose voted for having the -blam!- idea in halo 3!

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  • 06.26.2006 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: RF LooseWires
Posted by: Pepeu
How about this for a trick: lets keep the old wack to the back of the head as it is.

First, weapon stealing? I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but that is a dumb idea for a game such as Halo. Maybe in a game like Splinter Cell, but Halo? Next thing you know, Master Chief will be sticking his back to a wall and knocking to distract the enemy, no offense towards Metal Gear Solid fans intended. "The old wack to the back of the head" is just so Halo-like it can't be removed or changed.


You know what...I've come to the conclusion that people like you are hopeless. This goes for everyone else who just made a comment on this thread with-out reading the whole post.Hopeless individuals with no thinking ability or reasonableness. I bet all the individuals who do this are a bunch of loser teenagers with no jobs that will end up working for some fast food chain. Advice..learn to read the fine print, it might save you someday.


Is that like supposed to be an insult or something? How about you read what people have to say and consider what they are saying before mindlessly attacking them? How about you stop posting the same darn thread over and over? All you are doing is making an ass out of yourself, and adding gas to the fire. Many people are getting sick and tired of seeing the same dumb type of threads people like you seem to mindlessly post here. Jesus Christ! How many more "Add this to Halo 3," "Halo 3 should be like this," "yatta-yatta yatta-yatta Halo 3," and etc. will people have to make before they quit move on from breast feeding? (Note to self: don't ever ever make childish remarks about breast feeding again, their highly offensive!)

IN THE END

If you can't stand being criticized, how about stop making threads that revolve around people criticizing you? If you can't take what people shoot at you, you might as well hide in a cave for the remaining days of your life or until you learn to take the heat.

  • 06.26.2006 12:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
Only because you've posted this -blam!- ass thread about 4 times today already.

I've been on randomly over today and this thread just seems to keep popping up with your name on it.

oh and by the way... the only time i've ever seen this thread have more than a few percent toward wanting gun jacking is when you were the first poster and the only one who had take the -blam!- pole so far.

Get your head out of your ass and stop posting this, it's not going to show up in halo simply because hitting someone in the back and instantly killing them is part of that 30 seconds of fun that make the whole -blam!- game come together.


That is totally INNACURATE information Your a member of the Prominent Communique right? So am I. Look up the thread Assassination Innovation on that group forum. That's just one example.

By the way, I posted this idea only once today. I just got home about an hour ago so I know what your saying is not true.

  • 06.26.2006 12:23 AM PDT
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Ok... i just went through over 200 pages looking for my Plot Theory thread and i saw this one about 10 times in the first 2 pages and after that probably another 40-50 times between there and 200. you're beating the -blam!- out of a thread that's already dead and gone. stop trying to resurrect it.


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  • 06.26.2006 12:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
Posted by: Pepeu
Posted by: RF LooseWires
Posted by: Pepeu
How about this for a trick: lets keep the old wack to the back of the head as it is.

First, weapon stealing? I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but that is a dumb idea for a game such as Halo. Maybe in a game like Splinter Cell, but Halo? Next thing you know, Master Chief will be sticking his back to a wall and knocking to distract the enemy, no offense towards Metal Gear Solid fans intended. "The old wack to the back of the head" is just so Halo-like it can't be removed or changed.


You know what...I've come to the conclusion that people like you are hopeless. This goes for everyone else who just made a comment on this thread with-out reading the whole post.Hopeless individuals with no thinking ability or reasonableness. I bet all the individuals who do this are a bunch of loser teenagers with no jobs that will end up working for some fast food chain. Advice..learn to read the fine print, it might save you someday.


Is that like supposed to be an insult or something? How about you read what people have to say and consider what they are saying before mindlessly attacking them? How about you stop posting the same darn thread over and over? All you are doing is making an ass out of yourself, and adding gas to the fire. Many people are getting sick and tired of seeing the same dumb type of threads people like you seem to mindlessly post here. Jesus Christ! How many more "Add this to Halo 3," "Halo 3 should be like this," "yatta-yatta yatta-yatta Halo 3," and etc. will people have to make before they quit move on from breast feeding? (Note to self: don't ever ever make childish remarks about breast feeding again, their highly offensive!)

IN THE END

If you can't stand being criticized, how about stop making threads that revolve around people criticizing you? If you can't take what people shoot at you, you might as well hide in a cave for the remaining days of your life or until you learn to take the heat.



lol... he said breast feeding.


The madness!

  • 06.26.2006 12:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: RF LooseWires
Posted by: xXdeathomenXx
Only because you've posted this -blam!- ass thread about 4 times today already.

I've been on randomly over today and this thread just seems to keep popping up with your name on it.

oh and by the way... the only time i've ever seen this thread have more than a few percent toward wanting gun jacking is when you were the first poster and the only one who had take the -blam!- pole so far.

Get your head out of your ass and stop posting this, it's not going to show up in halo simply because hitting someone in the back and instantly killing them is part of that 30 seconds of fun that make the whole -blam!- game come together.


That is totally INNACURATE information Your a member of the Prominent Communique right? So am I. Look up the thread Assassination Innovation on that group forum. That's just one example.

By the way, I posted this idea only once today. I just got home about an hour ago so I know what your saying is not true.


Ok... i just went through over 200 pages looking for my Plot Theory thread and i saw this one about 10 times in the first 2 pages and after that probably another 40-50 times between there and 200. you're beating the -blam!- out of a thread that's already dead and gone. stop trying to resurrect it.

P.S. yes not only am i a member of Prom Comm but also a member of popular fusion.


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  • 06.26.2006 12:27 AM PDT
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Why is it that every time I come to this thread (for some unknown reason), I have to con your idea? Does it hope that one day, when Master Chief grows old and tells tales of the war to his grandchildren, that someone will actually vote pro?

  • 06.26.2006 12:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pepeu
Posted by: RF LooseWires
Posted by: Pepeu
How about this for a trick: lets keep the old wack to the back of the head as it is.

First, weapon stealing? I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but that is a dumb idea for a game such as Halo. Maybe in a game like Splinter Cell, but Halo? Next thing you know, Master Chief will be sticking his back to a wall and knocking to distract the enemy, no offense towards Metal Gear Solid fans intended. "The old wack to the back of the head" is just so Halo-like it can't be removed or changed.


You know what...I've come to the conclusion that people like you are hopeless. This goes for everyone else who just made a comment on this thread with-out reading the whole post.Hopeless individuals with no thinking ability or reasonableness. I bet all the individuals who do this are a bunch of loser teenagers with no jobs that will end up working for some fast food chain. Advice..learn to read the fine print, it might save you someday.


Is that like supposed to be an insult or something? How about you read what people have to say and consider what they are saying before mindlessly attacking them? How about you stop posting the same darn thread over and over? All you are doing is making an ass out of yourself, and adding gas to the fire. Many people are getting sick and tired of seeing the same dumb type of threads people like you seem to mindlessly post here. Jesus Christ! How many more "Add this to Halo 3," "Halo 3 should be like this," "yatta-yatta yatta-yatta Halo 3," and etc. will people have to make before they quit move on from breast feeding? (Note to self: don't ever ever make childish remarks about breast feeding again, their highly offensive!)

IN THE END

If you can't stand being criticized, how about stop making threads that revolve around people criticizing you? If you can't take what people shoot at you, you might as well hide in a cave for the remaining days of your life or until you learn to take the heat.



Ok. Maybe your reading. But obviously your not understanding what your reading. I don't care if I get criticized. In fact look at my response to one above who didn't like my idea. It's not the criticism that bothers me, it's when it's done without knowledge. I know you don't have knowledge of how your comments above don't apply because those issues are specifically mentioned in the post. Your not the fist to do this, to make a comment about something already mentioned in the post. That's way I'm irritated and feel individuals like you are hopeless, because I said over and over know before you speak. I could care less if I'm criticized, in fact I perfer it, if it's good criticism, I accept it.

  • 06.26.2006 12:30 AM PDT

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