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I finally have a PC that's capable of playing some games. I'd like to play some Halo multiplayer. Am I better off going with Halo 1 or Halo 2?

  • 10.01.2012 8:49 PM PST

Vista isn't bad. People just go in expecting too much.

Hm... Personally, I'd say 2. But you'd need to find people who own the game or an online community that frequently plays. I recently bought Vista, and beside all the installation difficulties that I'm encountering, I prefer the maps and gameplay, as well as being able to play as an Elite. However, I'm concerned that I mightn't be able to find anyone to play with.

I wouldn't know about CE. I bought the Anniversary edition on xbox, but only for the campaign.

  • 10.01.2012 9:08 PM PST
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Halo 1. Easily.

  • 10.01.2012 9:13 PM PST
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Maw

On a semi-relavent note, how is user created content on h2v? If you go with halo be sure to check out Halo CE. There's tons of custom maps and even a complete revised version of the campaign.

  • 10.02.2012 12:46 AM PST

Something smells fishy...


Posted by: Btcc22
Halo 1. Easily.

  • 10.02.2012 5:40 AM PST
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Halo: Combat Evolved easily. Halo 2 Visa has a host of problems. You can find complaints about these problems by searching around this forum a bit. It was an absolutely terrible port and the population is on its last breath.

Halo 2 Vista was one of, if not the, worst gaming purchases I ever made. Stay far away.

[Edited on 10.02.2012 8:14 AM PDT]

  • 10.02.2012 7:58 AM PST

Halo PC

Pro's

Has a large community of around 1000 if memory serves. Also includes the free to download Custom Edition with a huge amount of mods, even a few which improve the lead problem with the net code. Numerous improvements to graphics which can be upgraded/fixed with a few tweaks.

Con's

Alot of servers on 1.09 (recent patch) are modded which can get frustrating. The lead does have a learning curve, you will not pick it up in 1 sitting. However this can be easily overcome and the game plays fine once you learn. FOV is initially 70 but this can be fixed too. 30fps cap but that's not so bad (EDIT - Appears to have been a one off on my part, ignore this but leaving it in for relevance in newer posts).

So really not many cons...

Halo 2 Vista

Pro's

Very little, most of them to me were mainly the achievements and the higher resolution graphics. 60fps is also a bonus of course. Online co-op mod that allows some of the Arbiter levels to be played on co-op with up to 16 players.

Con's

Aim assist pretty much forces you to play with a 360 controller due to gimped M+K controls. Every time a player joins a server the game suffers from lag that practically freezes the game for a second. No guarantee that Halo 2 Vista will run smoothly on your hardware. Dedicated server options severely reduced. Less modding friendly than the Xbox version, Halo PC triumphs Halo 2 in this area so replayability is lower etc. Most importantly, the player count hovers around 25-50 at any time.

I could go on for Halo 2 Vista but you asked for MP...those are just my opinions though from personal experience.

[Edited on 10.02.2012 3:30 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Wilis_kid
30fps cap but that's not so bad.
30FPS cap? What you talkin' 'bout, Wilis? (I was going to say this before remembering your name was Wilis_kid on here... Just sayin') If you set it to VSync or No VSync you get 60+... Have you been playing on locked 30FPS this entire time without realizing there were other options in the menu? :D

[Edited on 10.02.2012 3:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2012 2:59 PM PST


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Posted by: Wilis_kid
30fps cap but that's not so bad.
30FPS cap? What you talkin' 'bout, Wilis? (I was going to say this before remembering your name was Wilis_kid on here... Just sayin') If you set it to VSync or No VSync you get 60+... Have you been playing on locked 30FPS this entire time without realizing there were other options in the menu? :D

Haha xD Well if i uncheck the framerate then i get artificial lag and everything seems like it's skipping frames. It's odd, i'll make a video on it shortly.

  • 10.02.2012 3:06 PM PST
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Posted by: Wilis_kid
Halo PC
30fps cap but that's not so bad.


The only cap I can think of is vsync if you force the game to run at an unsupported resolution via the vidmode option. However, if you have nVidia card, you can override this in the control panel. I think there's a tool that can do it for ATi/AMD cards too but I'm not entirely sure.

If HPC had an FPS cap, I would not be playing it. The mouse is horribly unresponsible if it's capped and not much better until you disable the acceleration in-game (mouse_acceleration 0).

[Edited on 10.02.2012 3:13 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2012 3:11 PM PST


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Posted by: Wilis_kid
Halo PC
30fps cap but that's not so bad.


The only cap I can think of is vsync if you force the game to run at an unsupported resolution via the vidmode option. However, if you have nVidia card, you can override this in the control panel. I think there's a tool that can do it for ATi/AMD cards too but I'm not entirely sure.

If HPC had an FPS cap, I would not be playing it. The mouse is horribly unresponsible if it's capped and not much better until you disable the acceleration in-game (mouse_acceleration 0).

Yeah i just did a check again for Asraios. From my memory, i had an issue where it appeared to be that the game was running at 30fps despite being over that (60 for me). This made it appear the enemies etc were often "teleporting" to where they were going, kind of an artificial lag.

Now i just went back to try and record the issue i had and funnily enough, it's nowhere near as bad as i remember (No Vysnc though the game caps at 60fps anyway) though the Elite i was recording did skip a tiny bit but not as bad as i make it out to be in the first paragraph of this post. For now i'll just edit the other post. No idea why it did it the last time i used over 60fps but im guessing it must have been a glitch.

  • 10.02.2012 3:30 PM PST
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I personally say Halo 2. I also use the Xbox 360 Controller for Windows.

  • 10.03.2012 11:15 PM PST

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You'd be better off with a newer game, tbh. H2V is basically dead now, even to me, and I'm one of the people that was like "omg<3h2vnevergonnadiebaylifeand-blam!-". CE is basically inhabited by Columbian/Mexican pirates, so have fun finding someone who play English. Also, I've noticed there's hardly any 1.09 servers anymore (the updated version) and most servers are run on 1.00-1.03 (versions that are the most common cracked copies, because most of the people who do don't realize that after 1.0?8? the cd check was removed). Also, there's hardly any people on in general compared to a year or two ago.

  • 10.04.2012 10:17 PM PST
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Posted by: I RaveN I
Also, there's hardly any people on in general compared to a year or two ago.
There were 2,400 people on 1.00 just an hour ago. "hardly people on in general" isn't exactly a very accurate way to put it.

I'd also like to point out that while I was playing, I ran into an old friend (who speaks English). I also ran into around 5 other people speaking perfect English accusing me of being a hacker.

It's not really that important to me that the other people in the game speak English. Back when most the population did speak it they didn't have anything of importance to say other than act like a douche anyway. Now they're just saying it in another language.

  • 10.04.2012 10:50 PM PST
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Halo PC
Pros:
*expanded settings
vertical and horizontal sensitivities, music and game sound adjustment, turning on/off effects, shadows, stable no-v sync, checkpoint menu

*modding friendly
Custom Edition, map editor SparkEdit, basic user friendly modding program HMT, advanced user friendly modding program Eschaton, scenario modding, damage modding, individual health modding, don't have to mod the maps directly (so no need to back up default maps), doesn't give you files are missing prompt if you delete stuff from the maps folder, can mod bipeds without the game screwing up, can mod AI in-depth, very thorough in every aspect of modding

*easy backup (maps, profiles, checkpoints)
*FoV adjustment (external)
*anti-aliasing (external)
*Halo PC dev trainer (external)
*press X to enter vehicle fixed

Cons:
*fall barrier seems to be set higher than NTSC Xbox version (IIRC)
*no creating checkpoints (excluding Custom Edition, which has 'game_save')
*juggling weapons isn't easy (no changing hold E to press E)
*some modders make their tags in maps impossible to decipher

Halo 2 Vista
Pros: better graphics (must select high setting for 'level of detail' to see it), global difficulty management (through matg), basic modding (Gravemind, Mr. Mohawk)

Cons: barely any advancement in the settings, crap programs (modding, dev trainer, etc.), even smaller FoV, horrible performance, AI modding is -blam!-, lagging regardless of your computer's efficiency, unstable, no sword flying or super jumping in campaign, still no skull menu, buggy controls (can't crouch when moving, can't get allies out of vehicle when it's hold E, non-functioning Spectre seats for allies), Xbox modding vastly superior

I don't know about Halo 2 Vista MP though.

Posted by: Dr Syx
It's not really that important to me that the other people in the game speak English. Back when most the population did speak it they didn't have anything of importance to say other than act like a douche anyway. Now they're just saying it in another language.
A long time ago, people were saying things like gg or ty and even shee noob (Banshee abusers). I didn't understand it back then (so they ganged up on me because I didn't reply :P) but now I know they meant good game, thank you, etc.

[Edited on 10.07.2012 3:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2012 2:54 PM PST

Why not both? i play Halo 1 for the multiplayer, and Halo 2 for the story/ sometimes multiplayer.

  • 10.14.2012 5:59 AM PST

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Posted by: I RaveN I
Also, there's hardly any people on in general compared to a year or two ago.
There were 2,400 people on 1.00 just an hour ago. "hardly people on in general" isn't exactly a very accurate way to put it.

I was referring more to 1.09, not the cracked ones. 1.09 is fairly dead, I just logged on and saw 52 servers and 68 players.

  • 10.14.2012 11:37 PM PST

1.09 seems to be mostly modded, zombies or other boring overplayed modes anyway. But then i haven't had the time to check out 1.00...or any game for that matter.

  • 10.15.2012 10:40 AM PST
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Posted by: I RaveN I
I was referring more to 1.09, not the cracked ones. 1.09 is fairly dead, I just logged on and saw 52 servers and 68 players.
Even if you were just referring to 1.09, it would be deceitful. Most people, even people who aren't using a crack, play 1.00 on Custom Edition. You made it seem as though hardly anyone plays it anymore when that's not true.

You also don't need to use a crack to play 1.00 anymore with version changer.

Edit: I noticed something while reading over what you said originally. (It's been a while)

Also, there's hardly any people on in general compared to a year or two ago.You said in general which suggests you were talking about across the board. If you didn't mean across all versions, you chose your words poorly.

[Edited on 10.15.2012 12:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2012 12:51 PM PST

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Posted by: Dr Syx
Posted by: I RaveN I
I was referring more to 1.09, not the cracked ones. 1.09 is fairly dead, I just logged on and saw 52 servers and 68 players.
Even if you were just referring to 1.09, it would be deceitful. Most people, even people who aren't using a crack, play 1.00 on Custom Edition. You made it seem as though hardly anyone plays it anymore when that's not true.

You also don't need to use a crack to play 1.00 anymore with version changer.

Edit: I noticed something while reading over what you said originally. (It's been a while)

Also, there's hardly any people on in general compared to a year or two ago.You said in general which suggests you were talking about across the board. If you didn't mean across all versions, you chose your words poorly.

Yes, as games get older they lose their population. You read that correctly, however both quotes were from different posts.

Si no se habla espanol tan bueno para comunicar con mexicanos, va a estar aburrido.

Also, as we've had this argument a hundred times over h2v, a couple hundred people playing a game (especially when a free version is available easily and it doesn't require specs) isn't exactly impressive. Seeing as you need proprietary hardware and $60 for the game to play newer games on console which have upwards of 250,000 players online at any given time.

  • 10.19.2012 10:57 PM PST
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Posted by: I RaveN I
Yes, as games get older they lose their population. You read that correctly, however both quotes were from different posts.
... What? Yes, I quoted you from a previous post... You said you were talking specifically about Halo Custom Edition 1.00 when in reality you said "... in general..." I'm really not trying to be mean here but you seem to be derping right now. You're not making any sense. I don't even know how to respond.

Also, as we've had this argument a hundred times over h2v, a couple hundred people playing a game (especially when a free version is available easily and it doesn't require specs) isn't exactly impressive.... Yes, I agree. Did you think I didn't agree with this? I was talking about Halo: Combat Evolved/Custom Edition's population being stronger than you're letting on and how Halo 2 Vista's is in the crapper.

Unless you're talking about Halo Custom Edition... In that case you're being misleading again by saying "a couple hundred people". Custom Edition has around 2,000 players on it normally which is much higher than 200 (a couple hundred). Of course it's not going to be as high in number as a brand new game. It's 9 years old.

[Edited on 10.21.2012 2:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2012 2:25 PM PST

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tl;dr you're better off with Halo 4.

  • 10.22.2012 8:43 PM PST
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Posted by: I RaveN I
I can't think of anything good to come back with so I'm just going to post something I think is funny and will somehow make what you said invalid.
Mmk, sounds good. gg

  • 10.22.2012 9:45 PM PST

Halo 3

Why does this always happen in this forum :/

  • 10.24.2012 6:16 AM PST
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Posted by: Ben2974
Why does this always happen in this forum :/
Because it's a discussion forum based around these two games. It's meant for this.

(Well... Partially... You know what I mean)

[Edited on 10.24.2012 8:35 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 8:34 PM PST

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