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Subject: Should tampering with Community Competitions result in ban(s)?
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  • 10.03.2012 5:17 PM PDT

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This all reminds me of high school student body elections.

  • 10.03.2012 5:19 PM PDT
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I think you should stop making a big deal about this stuff.

  • 10.03.2012 5:19 PM PDT

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How does one tamper in these?

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  • 10.03.2012 5:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: CaptKrunch 96
I think you should stop making a big deal about this stuff.
They're meant to be fun, some people make them not fun. I'm not upset because OMGPLAINBENDIDNTWINTHISISBS!!!! I'm rather not okay with a select few ruining these for everyone else.

  • 10.03.2012 5:21 PM PDT

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  • 10.03.2012 5:22 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Yes, I think it should be against the rules to willfully and intentionally rig a vote. At least when its an actual Bungie poll or contest. I don't think it should be enforceable when its not "official". As you noted; the problem is how does one prove it has been tampered with, and what line do you draw to determine what is okay? I'm not actually comfortable with any of the outlines above. Its too hard to determine how one went about mucking with poll results, unless the parameters are absurdly strict.

I don't know how to enforce this rule, in any of its iterations, unless its a zero-abuse policy. As such, I'm fine with nothing changing at the moment.

If Bungie is willing to risk tampering, then I guess that's their prerogative.

  • 10.03.2012 5:22 PM PDT
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  • 10.03.2012 5:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: evilcam
Yes, I think it should be against the rules to willfully and intentionally rig a vote. At least when its an actual Bungie poll or contest. I don't think it should be enforceable when its not "official". As you noted; the problem is how does one prove it has been tampered with, and what line do you draw to determine what is okay? I'm not actually comfortable with any of the outlines above. Its too hard to determine how one went about mucking with poll results, unless the parameters are absurdly strict.

I don't know how to enforce this rule, in any of its iterations, unless its a zero-abuse policy. As such, I'm fine with nothing changing at the moment.

If Bungie is willing to risk tampering, then I guess that's their prerogative.
Seems like a pretty legitimate bit of proof to me.


[Edited on 10.03.2012 5:25 PM PDT]

  • 10.03.2012 5:24 PM PDT

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Does this seem like a legitimate bit of proof?

  • 10.03.2012 5:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
I'm an alt of CrazzySnipe55.

Does this seem like a legitimate bit of proof?
Yes

  • 10.03.2012 5:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
I'm an alt of CrazzySnipe55.

Does this seem like a legitimate bit of proof?
This situation is not like that one. Also, admitting to be the alt of somebody would get you banned in this situation so why would someone do that, even if they're lying?

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  • 10.03.2012 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
I'm an alt of CrazzySnipe55.

Does this seem like a legitimate bit of proof?
The proof at hand has accounts with close, if not on the same day, creation dates.

  • 10.03.2012 5:27 PM PDT

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  • 10.03.2012 5:27 PM PDT

HFCS verb \hiff-cix\
1 a: The act of using the Unleash Ninjas button, and performing a moderation act.

Maybe we shouldn't have any poll based contests for a while. It would just have less drama. I remember when this thread had Ninjas vote for their favorite meme. Maybe we should do something like that. Only a group of selected people pick the finalists for the challenge.

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  • 10.03.2012 5:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Please see my first post in this thread. :\
The point is that someone would get banned if they did what you demonstrated so them lying about being an alt would be stupid of them to do anyway and a nonissue. An innocent person gets banned because they're stupid. The rule is still upheld and nothing is wrong.

  • 10.03.2012 5:29 PM PDT
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I didn't say it was a legitimate system. I agreed that it makes the community look bad and I'd rather something be done about it. The problem is I don't know how to fix it. As you said, its not against the rules to use alts (or other, easier ways) to rig votes. So, what can we do? I thought that was why you made this thread, so we could discuss it.

I'm saying that because I don't know how to fix it, and since Bungie doesn't seem concerned with it right now, it doesn't bother me much by leaving it alone for now. That 'for now' caveat is intended to show my support for you here, in that I eventually want a way to fix it.

  • 10.03.2012 5:29 PM PDT

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  • 10.03.2012 5:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: evilcam
I didn't say it was a legitimate system. I agreed that it makes the community look bad and I'd rather something be done about it. The problem is I don't know how to fix it. As you said, its not against the rules to use alts (or other, easier ways) to rig votes. So, what can we do? I thought that was why you made this thread, so we could discuss it.

I'm saying that because I don't know how to fix it, and since Bungie doesn't seem concerned with it right now, it doesn't bother me much by leaving it alone for now. That 'for now' caveat is intended to show my support for you here, in that I eventually want a way to fix it.
The point of this thread is to suggest an "amendment to the rules" to make rigging official polls like this illegal, not to use the current system as a means through which we ban the offenders.

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  • 10.03.2012 5:30 PM PDT

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  • 10.03.2012 5:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Yes, I think it should be against the rules to willfully and intentionally rig a vote. At least when its an actual Bungie poll or contest. I don't think it should be enforceable when its not "official". As you noted; the problem is how does one prove it has been tampered with, and what line do you draw to determine what is okay? I'm not actually comfortable with any of the outlines above. Its too hard to determine how one went about mucking with poll results, unless the parameters are absurdly strict.

I don't know how to enforce this rule, in any of its iterations, unless its a zero-abuse policy. As such, I'm fine with nothing changing at the moment.

If Bungie is willing to risk tampering, then I guess that's their prerogative.


I think the punishment should be something right down the middle...Ya know? Something that splits in half the good from the bad. A way to cut out the cheaters. Some form of program that divides the results in a way that its two equal parts....


Man, I just can't think of the best way to do it though.

  • 10.03.2012 5:31 PM PDT

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no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

Why does it bother people that much?

Get your own team of nerds on alts if it matters so much.

  • 10.03.2012 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Please see my first post in this thread. :\
I know. :/ I know man, it's all good. I still love you with an undying passion of a thousand burning romen noodle balls who have spontaneously combusted.

  • 10.03.2012 5:32 PM PDT

HFCS verb \hiff-cix\
1 a: The act of using the Unleash Ninjas button, and performing a moderation act.

Wow. Did no one read my post?
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Man, I just can't think of the best way to do it though.

  • 10.03.2012 5:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gh0st is Bad
Why does it bother people that much?

Get your own team of nerds on alts if it matters so much.

*sigh*

  • 10.03.2012 5:33 PM PDT

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