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I posted this in the xbox forums and they told me to post it in here so i am.Anyway I think the humans in Halo 3 will turn out to be forerunners.Reason #1: That blue ball guy in Halo 1 reconized Master Chief immediately which means he's probaley seen humans before.Reason #2: Why would there be a forerunner object on Earth?Just something to think about....

  • 06.26.2006 12:07 PM PDT
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yup, humans are forerunner

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i doubt that, but a nice theory, i mean the halo rings he said were created long ago, which means thats the equivelent of humans making halos in the 1800s, i mean we didnt have the technology, it could have been that the forerunners knew of human existance and built the ark on earth and leave it up to humanity to activate the Halo rings, since the forerunners knew they were going to be destroyed.

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  • 06.26.2006 12:50 PM PDT
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The rings were made 101,000 years ago. Time is a circle. aka "I know you past and your future." Time repeates itself. All our lost forerunner history is in the Ark.

  • 06.26.2006 12:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
yup, humans are forerunner


nope, humans aren't forerunners

  • 06.26.2006 1:25 PM PDT
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I am...whimsical today.

:) The Ouroboros theory again.

I do not think we are Forerunners. In fact I'd go as far as to say it were impossible (how would you define a Forerunner?). Sorry I'm being a little cryptic there.
The Forerunners and Reclaimers are different, they must be, we have different names. How many Frenchmen do you know who are American? The Forerunners are the ones who activated the Halo network to stop the spread of the Flood. They built the Halo network, as well all the weird structures that do things we don't quite comprehend. Forerunners and Reclaimers (us) are at least different in the same way the Romans and Italians differ, if not more.

I do think that the Forerunners were not entirely separate from our development however. The activation of the Halo network 100,000 years ago would mean that very little developed life would have...(damn)..developed by now. To put a time scale on it for you, 100,000 years is how long ago our face was made the way it is. I do not think that we would be at a stage of Sapient life without some kind of intervention.

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
yup, humans are forerunner


nope, humans aren't forerunners
:)

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Yeah, there isn't any way to prove this issue. It's been going on for a long time. We'll just have to wait. The only thing i can really say is that it seems kind of obvious. And we don't often get "obvious" from Bungie now do we?

This issue isn't going to go any where except a flaming pit until release.

Therefore, I am activating my flame shields to protect me from everyone who will come in here and start huge swear fights with -blam-s everywhere.

  • 06.26.2006 2:01 PM PDT
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Are Humans in Halo 3 forerunners?

No.

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Dubya tee eff??

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We don't know. I think the humans are the Forerunners, but we will not know until the game is released. Even then we may never find out.

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Posted by: AV3NG3D K1LL3R
.Reason #1: That blue ball guy in Halo 1 reconized Master Chief immediately which means he's probaley seen humans before.


Humans had been on Alpha Halo for some time before 343 guilty spark met John.



Reason #2: Why would there be a forerunner object on Earth?Just something to think about....

Becuase the Forerunner civilization was massive and spanned the entire galaxy. Earth isn't the only plante with Forerunner objects. There was plenty of Forerunner stuff on Covenant plantes

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I agree with Guscon, I think the humans were the Reclaimers. Not the Forerunners. I believe the Forerunners were a different section of the Human race.

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YES! they have to be! the arc, that dome controlles all the halos, its like the remote for your tv sets. in this case its on earth so we can activate it on our home word, our command centre for example. 343 and 2401 saw us as reclaimers. we re-claim our rings from long ago.
they said the forrunners died, what if the dident?what if MOST of us died and all technology
were lost? the we re-populated earth? that can be the reason why the covenent are more technologically advanced! Plus the halos terrain, atmosphere, weather,.......its all similar to
earth.in the e3 trailler the first time cortana talks you can hear the gravemind too, if she knows your past and future she could be taken over be the gravemind. for example, the gravemind once said '' i listend though rock and metal and time '' .he probable dident die from the acivation of the halo so he knows the forrunners past and probably can guess there future. but why whould we make the flood?? a weapon. but how to control it?? the gravemind, but apperently he has a mind of his own, he could of created a mind of his own and mabe thats why they needed to acivate the halo because he did not want to take orders from humains. this scenario happens a lot.
for example, the termonater: skynet did the same. or if you played starcraft: the overmind
controlled the zerg, somewhat similar to the flood.

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  • 06.26.2006 2:35 PM PDT
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Humans are not Forunners, they are reclaimers. Perhaps a close relative to the Forunners but the interesting part is that the Humans are the only species who's genetic signature is recognised by the Forunner technology... Captain Keyes was needed by the brutes to activate Delta Halo in Halo2.

  • 06.26.2006 2:37 PM PDT

I wouldnt jump to any conclusions, we'll just have to wait for 2007. Anything that you have heard or think you have found out is for now only a theroy.

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Hey, wut if the brutes were the forerunners?

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What the CALIBRATOR has said is very interesting. The Halo's do look suspiciously earth-like for something that has been floatin around a distance from space, also do the covenant breath oxegen? I know the grunts don't.

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Posted by: ArchAngelMicheal
Hey, wut if the brutes were the forerunners?


If the brutes were Forunners they would be able to activate their own technology and wouldn't need Captain Keyes. You're messin me around arn't ya? Of all people you pick the brutes, stupid tools of the prophets.

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The Grunts breath Methane. And the Elites, Jackals, Hunters, etc. Dont have any masks of sort so it's logical to say they breath oxygen.

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LT SMASH is right with the reconizatoin of humains with the forrunners, that can be the reason why 343 needed the chief and the reason the brutes needed maranda keyes, yet more proof that the humains can be the forruners. therefore also proving that the brutes are not the forrunners because they needed maranda!!

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The Forunner technology doesn't just recognise fingerprint, it knows. That green key thingy (can't remember its name) started unlocking itself before miranda even touched it. So obviously the advanced technology has some sort of high-tec genetic code detector which couldn't be fooled therefore proving that Humans are not similar to the Forunners, they are the Forunners!

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Posted by: Guscon
:) The Ouroboros theory again.

I do not think we are Forerunners. In fact I'd go as far as to say it were impossible (how would you define a Forerunner?). Sorry I'm being a little cryptic there.
The Forerunners and Reclaimers are different, they must be, we have different names. How many Frenchmen do you know who are American? The Forerunners are the ones who activated the Halo network to stop the spread of the Flood. They built the Halo network, as well all the weird structures that do things we don't quite comprehend. Forerunners and Reclaimers (us) are at least different in the same way the Romans and Italians differ, if not more.

I do think that the Forerunners were not entirely separate from our development however. The activation of the Halo network 100,000 years ago would mean that very little developed life would have...(damn)..developed by now. To put a time scale on it for you, 100,000 years is how long ago our face was made the way it is. I do not think that we would be at a stage of Sapient life without some kind of intervention.



How do you know that the Halo rings were activated 100,000 years ago? I have all three of the books and I don't remember ever reading exactly when they were activated, please provide a quote or cite your source.

For me, I don't believe that the humans in Halo 3 are Forerunners, I believe they WERE Forerunners. The Forerunners were probably our long lost evolutionary descendandts, until they activated the Halo rings. Since we know that the Halo rings only kill all sentient life that is large enough to sustain the flood, we can assume that very microscopic lifeforms would have survived the blasts. These microsopic lifeforms were probably genetic remnants of what the Forerunners were and eventually evolved into us. This would also explain the purpose of the Ark, which everyone is familiar with in biblical reference as a vessel used to spare all life from the flood.

If anyone has seen "Red Planet", you probably recognize this theory. In that movie, our ancestors originally existed on Mars until the martian atmophere was destroyed and they had to find a new home. As our ancestors left for the stars, one ship remained behind, containing various samples of genetic material and releasing them on the newly-inhabitable planet: Earth. These genentic materials were what began life on Earth and created all the various species that have emerged on it, including us.


As to the references by the Monitors on the Halo installations to "Forerunners" and "Reclaimers", this can also be explained logically:

The term "Forerunner" would simply be used to refer to our ancestral selves that spanned the galaxy, discovered and combatted the Flood, and built the Halo installations to finally stop them from contaminating all life in the galaxy. This theory is strengthened by 343 Guilty Spark's dialogue during Halo: CE, especially on the level when Master Chief learns the truth about Halo's purpose and Guilty Spark says, "The last time you asked me, 'could I do it?' Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed." (referring to his creator, a Forerunner, as he questioned his creation on the activation of the Halo installations before they were first used), and on the last level as he analyzes PoA's database and downloads all of the records on Human history, referring to them as "records of our lost time" (The time span between the activation of the Halo installations and extinction of the monitors' creators, and the arrival of the humans on Halo installation 4)

The word "Reclaimer" would be used for individuals who were chosen to "reclaim" the Indexes on the Halo installations. Notice that the only ones to be called "Reclaimers" are those who have acquired the Indexes on Halo installations: Master Chief and Commander Miranda Keyes. For those of you that would try to argue with this and say that the monitors call all humans "Reclaimers", remember that Sgt. Johnson was never called a reclaimer in Halo 2.

I hope my explanations have made sense to everyone. Please give me your opinions or message me if you are confused and have questions. No flaming please, and for those who disagree with my theory, please state your reason why, and not just post "no, you're wrong" without an explanation and disappear like an idiotic coward.

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If you've left home for a while, then you come back and there are some french people living there what do you do? You RECLAIM what is yours!!!

  • 06.26.2006 3:07 PM PDT
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I am...whimsical today.

Here and here are references to the 100,000 year thing. There are some better ones floating around somewhere, in Conversations of the Universe, or something like that, but I can't find them this minute.
I completely agree with the Genetic Library speculation :) Its one of my favorite explanations.

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If you've left home for a while, then you come back and there are some french people living there what do you do? You RECLAIM what is yours!!!
Depends on how long you've been away ;)

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