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Subject: Could the UNSC Savannah been saved?
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Think about it...

That ship could have just left after the bomb was on the corvette. No other fighter patrols were coming in, because the one that came back was destroyed.

Did the frigate stay to mop up fighters?
Because I think that ship could have just left as soon as the team was on and all the covenant fighters were destroyed no?

  • 10.04.2012 7:30 PM PDT

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It seems like the elite that was in the room controlled the turrets that fired those shots.

So possibly, had 6 arrived earlier.

  • 10.04.2012 8:39 PM PDT

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Honestly it should've been destroyed A LOT earlier.

  • 10.04.2012 9:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Honestly it should've been destroyed A LOT earlier.

  • 10.04.2012 9:19 PM PDT

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I believe it could have possibly been saved, if 6 had arrived earlier, but he didnt so it wasnt... sorry for stating the obvious XD

  • 10.04.2012 9:22 PM PDT

We destroyed all the fighters; UNSC Savannah still had them. It should have undertaken evasion measures, whilst sending out small craft to target major weapons systems on the Corvette.

Unfortunately, not every captain can be a Keyes.

  • 10.05.2012 12:29 AM PDT

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it was jamming the corvette's comms so it couldn't contact Long Night of Solace. Of course it may not have had to stay within spitting distance of the corvette though.

  • 10.05.2012 12:31 AM PDT

Not ALL of the fighters were destroyed. IIRC, while you are on the roof there are other sabers fighting with covenant fighters. Well, that's if you view it a certain way. Might be remembering wrong since it's been forever since I've played too.

But yes, it could have been saved, but it'd be very tricky. I had to stick around until the Pelican docked at least. Then it would have to break off before the Covenant corvette's heavy guns were in arc.

[Edited on 10.05.2012 4:11 AM PDT]

  • 10.05.2012 3:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darthbill99
it was jamming the corvette's comms so it couldn't contact Long Night of Solace. Of course it may not have had to stay within spitting distance of the corvette though.


This, that ship could've stayed at a safe distance and been fine. Once the Spartans were aboard there was no reason for the Frigate to fight a losing battle outside.

  • 10.05.2012 4:17 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

It was stayed behind in order to help serve as a distraction for when the boarding team needing to leave the Corvette after activating the bomb.

  • 10.05.2012 6:28 AM PDT

It was also covering the pelican. If the pelican would've taken fire, the bomb might've gone off prematurely.

  • 10.05.2012 1:58 PM PDT

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Well, considering that the corvette only had weapons mounted on the side incabable of aiming upwards...and the Savannah was orbiting around it at 2 miles an hour taking no evasive action...

yeah, if the captain hadn't been dumb.

  • 10.06.2012 3:51 PM PDT
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I wonder why neither the Supercarrier or the Corvette destroyed the Frigate the moment it came in view.

  • 10.06.2012 4:06 PM PDT
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I also thought that... The frigate and the corvette should have and would have been visible to the carrier.

  • 10.07.2012 7:59 PM PDT
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It could've if it had just moved maybe 30 degrees up or down to dodge the guns of the corvette. But it did have to jam the communications of the corvette. And probably distract it from the fighters and the bomb

  • 10.07.2012 8:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

It's entirely possible that the Covenant, who are well known for their arrogance, didn't think the frigate was a threat, and decided to let the Corvette handle the Savannah.

The only real problem I see with the Carrier was that when you set it on a refueling course, they should have attempted to make some sort of contact with the Corvette. They should have been able to discover pretty quickly that humans had taken control of the ship, and blasted it to pieces well before it arrived.
Posted by: Arbiter8282
I also thought that... The frigate and the corvette should have and would have been visible to the carrier.

  • 10.07.2012 11:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cheeto666
It's entirely possible that the Covenant, who are well known for their arrogance, didn't think the frigate was a threat, and decided to let the Corvette handle the Savannah.

The only real problem I see with the Carrier was that when you set it on a refueling course, they should have attempted to make some sort of contact with the Corvette. They should have been able to discover pretty quickly that humans had taken control of the ship, and blasted it to pieces well before it arrived.
Posted by: Arbiter8282
I also thought that... The frigate and the corvette should have and would have been visible to the carrier.


The Corvette was already on its way to refuel prior to the attack was it not?

Without comms there wouldn't have been any way of knowing that the Corvette was boarded and taken over. As far as the super carrier would be concerned the only thing they would know is that the human vessel was utterly destroyed, and the corvette then proceeded to limp back for refueling as it was originally supposed to.

  • 10.07.2012 11:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

I don't think it was on a refueling course before, I thought it was just on patrol.

Besides, coms would have been restored when the Savannah was destroyed. If nothing else, the Carrier should have at least tried to reestablish contact with their ship.
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Posted by: Cheeto666
It's entirely possible that the Covenant, who are well known for their arrogance, didn't think the frigate was a threat, and decided to let the Corvette handle the Savannah.

The only real problem I see with the Carrier was that when you set it on a refueling course, they should have attempted to make some sort of contact with the Corvette. They should have been able to discover pretty quickly that humans had taken control of the ship, and blasted it to pieces well before it arrived.
Posted by: Arbiter8282
I also thought that... The frigate and the corvette should have and would have been visible to the carrier.


The Corvette was already on its way to refuel prior to the attack was it not?

Without comms there wouldn't have been any way of knowing that the Corvette was boarded and taken over. As far as the super carrier would be concerned the only thing they would know is that the human vessel was utterly destroyed, and the corvette then proceeded to limp back for refueling as it was originally supposed to.

  • 10.08.2012 12:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cheeto666
I don't think it was on a refueling course before, I thought it was just on patrol.

Besides, coms would have been restored when the Savannah was destroyed. If nothing else, the Carrier should have at least tried to reestablish contact with their ship.
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Cheeto666
It's entirely possible that the Covenant, who are well known for their arrogance, didn't think the frigate was a threat, and decided to let the Corvette handle the Savannah.

The only real problem I see with the Carrier was that when you set it on a refueling course, they should have attempted to make some sort of contact with the Corvette. They should have been able to discover pretty quickly that humans had taken control of the ship, and blasted it to pieces well before it arrived.
Posted by: Arbiter8282
I also thought that... The frigate and the corvette should have and would have been visible to the carrier.





The Corvette was already on its way to refuel prior to the attack was it not?

Without comms there wouldn't have been any way of knowing that the Corvette was boarded and taken over. As far as the super carrier would be concerned the only thing they would know is that the human vessel was utterly destroyed, and the corvette then proceeded to limp back for refueling as it was originally supposed to.


To quote Holland "We've flagged a Corvette-class vessel on a predicted docking track with our target." Regardless of whether it was going back to dock for fuel or other supplies doesn't matter in the end. What does is the fact that the Corvette was already heading in the direction of the LNoS.

As for comms they wouldn't be restored because you clear out the comm room personally. The Savannah was no longer jamming the ship by the time you enter the hanger as there was no need to.

So while the LNoS may not be able to contact the Ardent Prayer all it had to work with was what could be seen visually. That said, the Savannah getting destroyed by doesn't clearly if at all convey the state of the Prayer's interior. If anything it just reinforces the notion/impression (for LNoS) that the Ardent Prayer was fine and had the situation under control with the lack of comms being chalked up to the damage it took from the Savannah and Sabers. With the situation looking fine and dandy on the exterior of the ship there would be no reason for the carrier to be suspicious of the corvette's approach given how it was originally heading to the carrier before fighting broke out.

  • 10.08.2012 2:01 AM PDT

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It was staying to provide cover fire. After planting the bomb and taking off in the pelican (Which was the plan) Jorge and six would have been shot out of the sky in seconds by seraphs without assistance.

  • 10.08.2012 3:45 AM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

If we had gotten to that turret room faster, then yes.

[Edited on 10.08.2012 12:40 PM PDT]

  • 10.08.2012 12:40 PM PDT
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TO people saying it should have disengaged:

Yes, in a perfect world it should have.
Yet, it was merely minutes after (possibly as short as a minute and a half) dropping it's compliment into the Prayer's hangar.

It might have already been attempting to or otherwise unable to disengage by the time the death blow was imparted.

Still, Her captain should have positioned her underneath the Corvette instead of right alongside it. The Savannah's batteries were flexible. The Corvette's was not.

  • 10.08.2012 9:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gamma617g
TO people saying it should have disengaged:

Yes, in a perfect world it should have.
Yet, it was merely minutes after (possibly as short as a minute and a half) dropping it's compliment into the Prayer's hangar.

It might have already been attempting to or otherwise unable to disengage by the time the death blow was imparted.

Still, Her captain should have positioned her underneath the Corvette instead of right alongside it. The Savannah's batteries were flexible. The Corvette's was not.


Attacking from underneath wouldn't do that much better as Savannah could get its hull breached by Covenant drop pods among other things.

Also I may be mistaken, but don't the Corvettes have some type of armament underneath that enabled it to bombard targets directly below it such as during the ONI Sword Base and Exodus missions? If so they would probably be used on a large target (such as a UNSC Frigate) attacking from below.

Above wouldn't be a practical option either because of the risk of hitting the Saber team as they inserted from up top. That vantage point wouldn't be of much use for providing more direct cover fire and serving as a distraction from the Corvette's guns and fighter support either when it came for the Pelican to fly into the hanger from the side either.

[Edited on 10.08.2012 10:03 PM PDT]

  • 10.08.2012 10:02 PM PDT
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I would think the carrier would have some sort of authorisation code that the corvette crew would have to send in with a ship captain's special security code...

Because I dont know about you but I want 100% confirmation of my ships. I dont care if a human vessel was shot out in the battle, there are many things to also consider. One thing would be... why would that corvette want to refuel even though it was possibly already there maybe 7 hours earlier?

[Edited on 10.09.2012 8:15 PM PDT]

  • 10.09.2012 8:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Arbiter8282
I would think the carrier would have some sort of authorisation code that the corvette crew would have to send in with a ship captain's special security code...

Because I dont know about you but I want 100% confirmation of my ships. I dont care if a human vessel was shot out in the battle, there are many things to also consider. One thing would be... why would that corvette want to refuel even though it was possibly already there maybe 7 hours earlier?


We know High Charity would as First Strike details their code procedure, but as for individual ships the strictness clearly varies.

We aren't the Shipmaster of LNoS, so while we may have our own respective policies on fleet security it is clearly not in line with the carrier's leader to that extent. Though between Halo CE and this game Elites have demonstrated arrogance when it comes to reacting to borders. Both on the Truth and Reconciliation and Ardent Prayer the respective ship masters paid no heed to the fact that their ship was boarded in the first place. While this does not prove that the shipmaster aboard the LNoS was of similar mentality, it is small bit that lends credence to the possibility that had the carrier's shipmaster been aware, he may have also been dismissive of the boarding action.

Furthermore again keep in mind what information is available to the LNoS. Comms between ships were jammed, but as far as visual information went the ship harassing the Ardent Prayer was annihilated with no apparent escape pods leaving the ship at the time of its destruction, and any other human fighter support either retreating or destroyed as can be noted when fighters can no longer be seen outside the hanger bay doors or the bridge windows after the Savannah is destroyed. Not only that, there is no way to make visual contact with the bridge of the Prayer to know things are fine and dandy beyond the ship continuing on towards the LNoS (limping as it may be) as the bridge windows can be noted as being one way based on the external and internal appearance of the bridge walls.

As for the final bit. Keep in mind that the exact quote from the game as noted in my previous post was that the Corvette was already on a predicted course heading towards the LNoS. For what reason, specifically, the corvette was heading towards the carrier is irrelevant. We don't know how long the Ardent Prayer was in operation if it was indeed going back for refueling, or if the shipmaster just wasn't to fly by the carrier for fun. The point that matters is that the LNoS would already be expecting the Ardent Prayer to be traveling in its direction prior to comms being jammed by the arrival of the Savannah given the trajectory that was already tracked by UNSC forces they engaged the corvette.

Activating the automated refueling protocol was merely a procedure that would automatically bring the ship close to the carrier without additional assistance.

  • 10.10.2012 3:38 AM PDT

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