- OrderedComa
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No, not at all. The needs of humanity as a whole outweigh the needs of, in comparison, a handful of kids. The Insurrectionists weren't a threat to the UNSC, they were a threat to humanity as a whole! If things continued as they had been, billions upon billions would have been left dead and humanity would have entered another set of Dark Ages. The Spartan IIs are fully and completely justified in the face of them, up until the Covenant arrived the
Insurrectionists were the greatest threat to ever face the whole of humanity and just as bad as the Covenant ever were, these weren't a noble cause or anything at all, the groups violently trying to gain independence were trying to establish communist, theocratic, fascist, or otherwise oppressive and totalitarian regimes in place of the one they had under the UNSC/UEG which is some form of representative government though we don't know most of the specifics...we know enough to know that it's very similar to most of the democratic and for the most part benevolent governments we have around today. And before the Innies turned violent, the UEG was trying to reach some acceptable compromise for all parties involved, and then the groups that became the Insurrectionists turned violent through a combination of not getting exactly what they wanted and/or not getting something that'd satisfy them fast enough. The UNSC isn't acting out of some corrupt pervert imperialism with the rebels as it's clearly been shown that they did try to reach a conclusion that would satisfy the dissident groups, the UNSC is acting in an effort to protect its citizens from a threat that is indiscriminately attacking and slaughtering them. The Insurrectionists are ultimately no better than the Covenant when it was on its massive genocidal campaign. The Spartans weren't made to break down the doors and cart off every random Joe Schmoe dissatisfied with the UNSC, their purpose was battling an armed terrorist force slaughtering millions...just because they aren't getting exactly what they want when they want.
Where the fething hell are you bosh'tets getting the absurd notion that the UNSC/UEG is some sort of fascist, totalitarian dictatorship straight out of Hitler's Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, North Korea, or Benito Mussolini's Italy? Because that is just not the case, the UNSC is not any kind of oppressive government or anything like that at all the assumption that they are is not supported by canon anywhere in the whole story. People aren't being carted off in the middle of the night for speaking out against the government or shot in the streets over peaceful protests. The only people being targeted by the UNSC are the armed terrorists blowing up ships, buildings, staging violent riots, and setting off nukes. The only "good" Innie groups were only targeting military ships, but even they weren't that great because they'd slaughter the whole crew and anyone onboard. The Insurrectionists had absolutely no reason at all to rebel but wanting a different form of government (fascism, communism, theocracy, dictatorship, etc.) and behaving like spoiled and petulant little children when they didn't get their way. In fact, they didn't even have any right to rebel at all, seeing as the colonies were all set up with UEG/UNSC funds and resources in the first place, unlike the British colonies in the Americas being set up by private individuals and companies as opposed to the actual government.
And no, you are just flat-out wrong, there wasn't any experimentation done on humans at all. They knew what would be happening with the augmentations or what could possibly be happening (thus it can't be experimentation as that is not knowing the result of something and trying to find out what those will be), the experiment to find out if what they thought the chemicals would make as an augment actually worked and so on was done on chimpanzees. What makes you say that the Spartans aren't human or have part of their humanity removed...because they certainly don't, they're just as human as any random person you meet on the street. They're more restrained and in much better control over their emotions than anyone else could ever be, but they have them just as much as we do. And I think you have Imperial Japan confused with the -blam!-s and -blam!- Germany (Dr. Mengele and all that)...in any case, there were never any experiments done on the Spartan IIs, who did let the UNSC doctors administer the augments 14/15 is old enough to let someone do that, imo, most people are fully capable of making significant and important rational decisions and so on much earlier than the law actually declaring them independent and an adult, whether the law sees it that way or not, kids like the Spartan IIs who were absolute geniuses and mature mentally well above their actual age are fully capable of granting consent for something major like the augmentations. And the Spartans have never been treated like property either, they're agents and personnel of the UNSC just like any ONI spook or everyday UNSC marine. They're not slaves, they're not owned, or indoctrinated...take Jorge for instance, honestly, would an indoctrinated soldier who only thinks what the government tells him to consider the root goal of the Insurrectionists, attempting to gain more power on the local level, a good thing and worth striving for? And this is a Spartan II, someone trained completely to fight the Insurrection, yet here he is supporting and agreeing with trying to improve things for themselves....Jorge knows what they truly are though, even if he thinks it a nice idea and all them trying to improve things, he considers them monsters because of the Insurrection freely and most often targeting civilians over anything else.