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Subject: The hate on Halo Reach is unfair.But I do blame Bungie for 1 thing.

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: the pib
Young gamers have short attention spans, and COD Black Ops was released just two months after Reach was. Reach's population fell because of its competition, not its quality.


A good game will retain its population even if competitors release their own game.
Reach was a failure of halo title and the mass sheep population ran to the newer shinier titles once they came out.

  • 10.07.2012 7:57 AM PDT
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A good game will retain its population even if competitors release their own game.


Then why isn't Halo 3 more populated than Reach?

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  • 10.07.2012 8:01 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: the pib


A good game will retain its population even if competitors release their own game.


Then why isn't Halo 3 more populated than Reach?


you want the long or short version?

  • 10.07.2012 8:31 AM PDT
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long

  • 10.07.2012 8:34 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: the pib
long



Each game has its own lifespan.
H3 is simply at the end of it.

  • 10.07.2012 8:48 AM PDT

lolnope.


Posted by: Neutralism
People like you are the ones that ruin halo for everyone else. Reach is awful and Halo 4 is going to be awful.

  • 10.07.2012 9:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: the pib
H4 is going to be amazing. No more debate about starting weapons... you'll simply design your own loadouts.
I haven't been looking into Halo 4 all that much because I switched to PS3, but if they're seriously letting you design your own loadouts, in addition to giving the constant ability to sprint, then Halo 4 will basically turn out to be a futuristic CoD.
Just watch.

  • 10.07.2012 9:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: the pib
H4 is going to be amazing. No more debate about starting weapons... you'll simply design your own loadouts.
I haven't been looking into Halo 4 all that much because I switched to PS3, but if they're seriously letting you design your own loadouts, in addition to giving the constant ability to sprint, then Halo 4 will basically turn out to be a futuristic CoD.
Just watch.

It's not going to be that game-changing, they still constrain you to one heavy rifle (DMR, BR, or AR) and one light sidearm (PP, Magnum, or Boltshot).

  • 10.07.2012 9:57 AM PDT
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I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
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If you were looking into Halo 4 you'd know that sprint is balanced now.

And the primary weapons in the loadouts are balanced too.

[Edited on 10.07.2012 10:04 AM PDT]

  • 10.07.2012 10:04 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: Umpalumpalump63
If you were looking into Halo 4 you'd know that sprint is balanced now.

And the primary weapons in the loadouts are balanced too.


Isn't that the same thing they said about Reach?

  • 10.07.2012 10:39 AM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: the pib

That's a subjective opinion.
Not really.


Young gamers have short attention spans, and COD Black Ops was released just two months after Reach was. Reach's population fell because of its competition, not its quality.
If Reach was good, they would have come back at least every once in a while rather than abandoning it altogether. I'd be very interested to see the return rates for Reach. I can think of several people off the top of my head who sold Reach shortly after launch because it was awful. If you don't think that Reach losing members due to competition isn't a direct reflection of its quality, then there are simply no words for you. If it was the better game, it would have retained the population. The members they lost to CoD would have returned had Reach been the game it should have been.


I'd say a 91% score on Metacritic, the average of 99 different reviewers, is a pretty strong indicator of a good game.
Not really. The game review industry d-rides Halo to no end. The reviews on Metacritic are exactly what I'm talking about- they came out shortly after the game's release. The top two critic reviews (and the ones I'm reading beyond that) are from roughly a month after its release. You tell me with a straight face that those aren't hype-influenced. The one from January 2011 gave it a 71. I'd be inclined to consider that far more objective seeing as how it was published four months after the game's release. The fact that all these reviewers gave it a perfect 100 should tell you something is wrong. From an objective viewpoint, Reach is definitely not a 100. If you really think that Reach was virtually perfect from a gameplay mechanic perspective alone (and that's without even touching the lackluster campaign, which has always been the thing that's mattered most to me in Halo), then you are so deluded that I cannot bring myself to value any opinion on game quality you may or may not have.

Again, most review scores don't mean much if anything at all because they are far from objective, much like your praise for this game.

Something like COD:BL releasing two months later, and the best selling game of all time MW3 releasing one year later? Yep.

Again, if Reach was the quality game it should have been, there would not have been such a mass-abandonment that for many was permanent. If Reach was a good Halo game, the population would have re-visited it occasionally, yet they didn't.



It's so predictable how haters always assume that Reach exists in a vacuum instead of in a marketplace of dozens of other games,
It's amazing how predictable it is that fanboys such as yourself classify anybody who dares to criticize Bungie's "swansong" a hater. I'm not a hater. When Reach came out, I had the hype goggles on just like everybody else. You seem to naively assume that I doomed Reach in my own mind to fail before it even came out. No. I was excited for Reach to come out. I'd thoroughly enjoyed every previous Halo installment. I enjoyed everything in the beta. Once the game had been out for a while and the hype goggles had worn off, I realized that there were tons of things wrong with Reach. I didn't start out disliking Reach. It earned my dislike which is something kids like you fail to comprehend.

I'd say that my gradual decline into realizing how much of an awful Halo game this was is more objective in nature than your seemingly blind fanboy praise. I'm not the one sitting here in denial over Reach's numerous blatant shortcomings.

a decline in its population is due to its quality and not its competition,
Again, it's pretty obvious that the game lost out to its competition as a direct result of its quality, hence the term competition. The game of better quality will win out, which was Black Ops. That's pretty sad if you think about it. Reach, with all of its new elements, lost out to the greatest rehash series ever to exist. But Reach is worthy of a perfect 100. Totally.

and their opinions about the game mechanics are objective facts.

Again, given how I came about my opinion, I'd say it's just a tad more on the objective side than yours. Not to mention I have facts and basic logical thinking to back it up.

You may think I'm nothing more than a "hater", but at least I don't blindly gargle whatever excrement comes from Bungie just because it bears the Halo name. Again, I'm not against change, but change was not implemented properly in Reach. It being beat out by its rehash competition is proof of that. Hardly a totally subjective opinion as you would like to believe. Still an opinion, but a far more objective opinion than what you've presented as of yet. Implying that bloom and armor abilities was not detrimental to Halo gameplay in Reach when all evidence points to the contrary is about as subjective as an opinion can get. You have presented no objective facts. Look in the mirror.

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  • 10.07.2012 10:41 AM PDT
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I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
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Posted by: Kira Onime
Do you actually pay attention to any Halo 4 news? 343i is balancing everything that they're are taking from Reach.

But you can keep playing AR starts half the time in TU Reach if you want.

  • 10.07.2012 10:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: Umpalumpalump63

Posted by: Kira Onime
Do you actually pay attention to any Halo 4 news? 343i is balancing everything that they're are taking from Reach.

But you can keep playing AR starts half the time in TU Reach if you want.


I'm almost willing to bet half the sandbox weapons will be close to useless lol.

  • 10.07.2012 10:58 AM PDT
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I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
-Umpa

The primary precision weapons are balanced each other.

If you care, the automatic primaries are balanced against each other also. They'll beat a precision rifle in very close quarters situations.

  • 10.07.2012 11:09 AM PDT


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Posted by: SuperCrack
When bloom got reduced , it became not so significant in some ranges.
In result you can ignore it and still get the shots sometimes while other times he shots wouldn't land.
If they bloom was higher it would lead to more consistency in the long run.
Spam and you miss , pace and you land.
There wouldn't be cases of spamming and still hitting.

Counter strike is a very example of how REAL BLOOM helps to add skill gap in an FPS game.
When they made it clean Bloom was there to stay, community should have asked for MORE bloom , not less.




And with this, I'm convinced that you are trolling. I'm not even going to put forth an effort to explain why this logic is ass-backwards because there were threads upon threads explaining this back in 2010.

Bottom line is, Reach was majorly disliked because the game fell apart at high-level competition due to its faulty mechanics; not because Bungie was "pioneering" new ideas for the series. I've never been against new ideas, so long as they don't break the skill gap.


"Majorly disliked because the game fell apart at high-level competition" sounds like an oxymoron to me, by definition "high-level competition" is something that not enough people participate in to attribute a "major dislike" of the game to those players.

As fashionable as it is to bash Reach on the forums, fact is it was a major success, beating sales of every Halo title except for H3 (which it would have absolutely surpassed if not for the concurrent release of Black Ops) and earning A's from every single game reviewer. How many players it retained on Xbox Live compared to other games released later is hardly the most important measure of its success.

Super quote, sry
Any way, you say that Halo Reach would have surpassed H3 if it weren't for COD BO. I think you are a dumbass because what released around the same time as H3. Oh yeah, Modern Warfare. The best game in the COD series. H3 still sold better than Reach, and was a hell of a lot more fun than reach, even though I used single wielded SMGs religiously, and used magnums/carbines instead of BRs every chance I got.

  • 10.07.2012 11:20 AM PDT
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I'm sorry OP but I disagree. From watching the vids you can see the following major changes from Reach:
1) Increased movemment speed
2) Increased Jump height
3) Less damage to vehicles form normal weapons
4) No AL (thank goodness)
5) The return of the BR - I'm still not sure if this is a good thing or not but I'm willing to give it a go
6) A bunch of new AA's that might change MP dramatically
7) Brand new sandbox of weapons
8) Kill cams - arguably the biggest change to Halo MP since the BR spread

[Edited on 10.07.2012 11:46 AM PDT]

  • 10.07.2012 11:41 AM PDT
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I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
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Posted by: wcd45
I'm sorry OP but I disagree. From watching the vids you can see the following major changes from Reach:
1) Increased movemment speed
2) Increased Jump height
3) Less damage to vehicles form normal weapons
4) No AL (thank goodness)
5) The return of the BR - I'm still not sure if this is a good thing or not but I'm willing to give it a go
6) A bunch of new AA's that might change MP dramatically
7) Brand new sandbox of weapons
8) Kill cams - arguably the biggest change to Halo MP since the BR spread


There's more improvement from Reach, but that's a solid starting list.

  • 10.07.2012 11:47 AM PDT

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This thread is an abortion.

  • 10.07.2012 12:34 PM PDT

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This thread is an abortion.

  • 10.07.2012 12:39 PM PDT

Bungie didn't really want to make Reach, Microsoft wanted another Halo game.
Bungie figured they would try out some new things with Reach.
Some people liked the huge changes, most people didn't, which led to a large population drop in the game.

Halo 4 looks to be more of the same in terms of core gameplay, but we can't really judge it until a couple of months after the game releases, so we'll see.

  • 10.07.2012 1:51 PM PDT

I win, you lose, get over it!


Posted by: SuperCrack
-destructible vehicles


Ghosts and Banshees and Wraiths in Halo:CE? They were destructible.

  • 10.07.2012 1:52 PM PDT

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No, it's really not. They took a good series and completely killed it. Reach was terrible.

  • 10.07.2012 2:01 PM PDT
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You remind me of some people I was debating with on YouTube... the kind that were too cowardly to initiate a proper debate.

Reach is abomination. Bungie did not pour all their soul into it whereas 343 are demonstrating commitment. Even if Halo 4 turns out to be a disaster, the art style, for the most part, is phenomenal. Performance and frame rate looks decent as well. It's so easy to tell that Halo 4 is prioritizing in the right areas (at least on the campaign side). AI with new abilities, that's what Halo needed.

Edit: Never mind about what I said above. I just skimmed through the page. You're replying. That's great.

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  • 10.07.2012 2:18 PM PDT

I intend to live forever, or die trying,

so far, so good.

I hope Halo 4 is Halo REACH perfected.

Just like Halo 3 was to Halo 2.

I still would had preferred that Halo 4, was Halo 3 perfected, as Halo 3 was almost perfect.

But will have to wait and see. Alot of changes in Halo 4, but so far it is looking great.

I do like REACH, and have played over 4000 games online. But out of all the Halo Games to be released, REACH is the worse. Still a great game, just not as good as the other Halo's.

[Edited on 10.07.2012 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2012 2:48 PM PDT

Ruckus going huge.

  • 10.07.2012 2:52 PM PDT