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Subject: The hate on Halo Reach is unfair.But I do blame Bungie for 1 thing.

I agree with OP! I LOVED how they made everything balanced and perfect in Reach, until they listened to the community and made it a one weapon game again...

  • 10.12.2012 10:59 PM PDT

Please drop price of ODST or at least put maps on marketplace Bungie! :(

Reach is garbage.

  • 10.13.2012 8:02 AM PDT
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"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing"

Reach did not offer big changes. Armor abilities are almost exactly like equipment in Halo 3, the only difference being that you had the ability at all times. Reach deserves to be disliked.

  • 10.13.2012 10:36 AM PDT

You got stuck by FalconStickr

I love Reach and all Halo games for different reasons. The people that hate on it so much couldnt make a flash game let along quality like Reach.

  • 10.13.2012 12:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: FalconStickr
I love Reach and all Halo games for different reasons. The people that hate on it so much couldnt make a flash game let along quality like Reach.


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  • 10.13.2012 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: IBamBi o
Reach did not offer big changes. Armor abilities are almost exactly like equipment in Halo 3, the only difference being that you had the ability at all times. Reach deserves to be disliked.
Actually, AAs are very distinct from equipment.

Reach mixed up campaign and MP.

AAs were purely optional in campaign and were rarely used by the enemy. Only AA you really needed was Sprint, due to the slower movement. While in MP, the entire gameplay is based on them and it is in that game mode where they get so much flak.

TLDR: AAs were seamless in campaign but were hardly game changing like equipment were and they were absolute -blam!- in MP and actually managed to change gameplay (for the worst).

  • 10.13.2012 12:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ferox Elite
I agree with OP! I LOVED how they made everything balanced and perfect in Reach, until they listened to the community and made it a one weapon game again...


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Try harder

  • 10.14.2012 7:15 AM PDT

Jump feet first into hell!


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Posted by: SuperCrack
so please do yourself a favor and use better logic than that next time.


Posted by: SuperCrack
MORE bloom generates more consistency


-Tells people to use better logic.
-Thinks more bloom creates more consistency
-???
-Retard logic detected.


Quoting parts of my post to make it look the way you want is one of the most immature and least respectable things you could do.
Props to you.

Of course I was talking about consistency if we compare LOW bloom to VERY high bloom.
Not zero bloom vs bloom.
Ofc zero bloom is most consistent that takes no brain to figure I am amazed you even felt like you should post something so amazingly stupid.

And while you do get the 100% consistency out no matter how well you implement bloom, by taking bloom out you remove something that adds to skill gap.


P.S. none of you trolls (looking at you mikelp) actually even response to my latest reply with facts or anything.
That your numbers are many doesn't prove you are correct.

[Edited on 10.14.2012 12:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.14.2012 12:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
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Posted by: SuperCrack
by taking bloom out you remove something that adds to skill gap.



This is the only thing I'll actually bother quoting since your post is just filled with uneducated opinions.


The amount of skill required to "master" bloom versus the quantity required to be good at halo, is the equivalent of a penny in 10$.



I strongly suggest you get your information checked out and have it correct before posting ignorant crap next time.

  • 10.14.2012 2:15 PM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.

Lol this thread went full retard.

  • 10.14.2012 4:51 PM PDT

Reach is pretty bad lol

  • 10.14.2012 5:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Neutralism
People like you are the ones that ruin halo for everyone else. Reach is awful and Halo 4 is going to be awful.

  • 10.15.2012 12:08 AM PDT


Posted by: Johns Couch

Posted by: Neutralism
People like you are the ones that ruin halo for everyone else. Reach is awful and Halo 4 is going to be awful.
It makes you guys really look intelligent then. Hey guys this game sucks but I will still play thousands of games though. The logic here.

[Edited on 10.15.2012 12:17 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2012 12:17 AM PDT

Posted by: AK FROST
Posted by: Johns Couch
Posted by: Neutralism
People like you are the ones that ruin halo for everyone else. Reach is awful and Halo 4 is going to be awful.
It makes you guys really look intelligent then. Hey guys this game sucks but I will still play thousands of games though. The logic here.
Reach is better than lots of games out there, when you start comparing it to it's predecessors, it's bad.

  • 10.15.2012 1:01 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

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Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: AK FROST
Posted by: Johns Couch
Posted by: Neutralism
People like you are the ones that ruin halo for everyone else. Reach is awful and Halo 4 is going to be awful.
It makes you guys really look intelligent then. Hey guys this game sucks but I will still play thousands of games though. The logic here.
Reach is better than lots of games out there, when you start comparing it to it's predecessors, it's bad.



I'm surprised b.net users still don't understand that concept.

  • 10.15.2012 6:39 AM PDT
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Reach was hated on since the beta and all through its lifespan, it didn't "just" start getting hated on because of Halo 4, it always has been.

Also, Halo 4 is awful too.

  • 10.15.2012 6:42 AM PDT

Posted by: Apocalypse
Reach was hated on since the beta and all through its lifespan, it didn't "just" start getting hated on because of Halo 4, it always has been.


Agree.
But some people gotta have something to blame, other than the truth.

It obvious that bungie just lost heart with reach and the whole halo series ... perhaps even tried to kill it off rather than have to compete against it later - after they got dumped by Microsoft.

Guess you cant blame them ... anyone getting sacked aint going to put a great final days work in.

  • 10.15.2012 7:12 AM PDT

Jump feet first into hell!

I said that A LOT of bloom (more than in the final game)
would add to skill gap.

You all call ME the troll YET you are the ones always quoting out of context and replying to only the parts you seem to like.

None brought down my arguments you are just being immature and rude.
Says enough about you.

What do you think of Bloom in CountetStrike series , does it take skill to master that ?

  • 10.15.2012 6:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

source


Posted by: SuperCrack
I said that A LOT of bloom (more than in the final game)
would add to skill gap.


And I call you retarded.
Adding more bloom will simply add more randomness than there already is.

Mastering an insane amount of bloom would be the equivalent of mastering a dice roll.

Done in 10 seconds and any retard with that lacks oposable thumbs can do it.


I quote what I want because everything else is pointless text since it holds no credibility.


Also, let's not forget to add that bloom in Reach was very poorly implemented.


Again, do your homework and get your "facts" straighten out.
Bloom is random. More bloom is more random.
Period.

[Edited on 10.15.2012 7:06 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2012 7:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Apocalypse
Reach was hated on since the beta and all through its lifespan, it didn't "just" start getting hated on because of Halo 4, it always has been.

Also, Halo 4 is awful too.

Agree. I also wish people would stop pulling the "the beta was better" card.

Disagree. You can't say a game IS awful when it isn't even out yet.

  • 10.15.2012 8:18 PM PDT
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I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
-Umpa


Posted by: Apocalypse
Also, Halo 4 is awful too.

Even if you do somehow think Halo 4 is going to be bad, you should at least recognize it's going to be much better than Reach.

Oops forgot you can't link Halo 4 related info.

[Edited on 10.15.2012 8:23 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2012 8:23 PM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.


Posted by: SuperCrack

You all call ME the troll YET you are the ones always quoting out of context and replying to only the parts you seem to like.

None brought down my arguments you are just being immature and rude.
Says enough about you.



Says the kid that argues about 10% of the content in each post directed at him and simply spits on the rest, pretending to be better than it as an excuse.

Posted by: SuperCrack
I said that A LOT of bloom (more than in the final game)
would add to skill gap.


You don't know what a skill gap looks like.


Posted by: SuperCrack

What do you think of Bloom in CountetStrike series , does it take skill to master that ?


Did you know that Halo is a completely different game that has a health system based upon requiring multiple shots to die in rapid succession before the health bar replenishes itself?

Did you also know that the bloom in CounterStrike is still inconsistent nonetheless? Spamming bullets with bloom, no matter how much higher it is than default Reach's, it still gives players a chance that they will get lucky/rewarded for spamming the trigger, which is the act that is supposed to be punished.

[Edited on 10.16.2012 10:51 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2012 8:59 PM PDT

Jump feet first into hell!


Posted by: Mikelp_1

Posted by: SuperCrack

You all call ME the troll YET you are the ones always quoting out of context and replying to only the parts you seem to like.

None brought down my arguments you are just being immature and rude.
Says enough about you.



Says the kid that argues about 10% of the content in each post directed at him and simply spits on the rest, pretending to be better than it as an excuse.

Posted by: SuperCrack
I said that A LOT of bloom (more than in the final game)
would add to skill gap.


You don't know what a skill gap looks like.


Posted by: SuperCrack

What do you think of Bloom in CountetStrike series , does it take skill to master that ?


Did you know that Halo is a completely different game that has a health system based upon requiring multiple shots to die in rapid succession before the health bar replenishes itself?

Did you also know that the bloom in CounterStrike is still inconsistent nonetheless? Spamming bullets with bloom, no matter how much higher it is than default Reach's, it still gives players a chance that they will get lucky/rewarded for spamming the trigger, which is the act that is supposed to be punished.


Oh please , you CALL ME a kid?
Of course I am gonna reply on 10% of each post when 15 posters are only posting "you are a retard/retart logic detected/you suck".

If you think that is how arguments take place in a forum ,YOU are the kid clearly and you are proving again that you are unable to form a sentence without a derogatory word in it.
Simply because otherwise , your saying holds no weight.

Good thing you have a bunch of followers to support you by making sentences in which half of the words are "retard" and "dumb".
Freaking educated!


I don't know how a skill gap looks like?
Oh no your point is so strong...!

NO U! ....DUH



When I mentioned Counter Strike you didn't have to throw the "they are different games " argument.
That is obvious.

As far as the randomness of bloom goes tho , we can of course compare the two games.

Counter strike random ?Not at all.For you to spam and get away with it you need to be a foot away from your opponent.

In reach you can spam the DMR mid range, sometimes landing a 5sk sometimes NOT.


So yeah if bloom was increased and tweaked it would be fine.
The game without bloom would be way too simple.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGItn8JCz0
watch

  • 10.18.2012 12:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: SuperCrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGItn8JCz0
watch



This is what you present as evidence for your "more bloom = more consistency" ?



I hope it's not.


Now.
Posted by: SuperCrack
you can spam the DMR mid range, sometimes landing a 5sk sometimes NOT


This little part is all that is needed to bring your hole argument down.

The entire concept of being able to land a 5sk by spamming the trigger is what renders bloom "broken" and "inconsistent".
Bloom is was designed to punish spammers and bloom as a hole, can, and often does, reward the spammer.

With the video you linked, you see how bloom works in Reach and how it should of worked.
The faster you spam, the bigger your hitting area becomes.
In no shape or form, is the possibility of landing that lucky 5sk removed.

Thinking "let,s add more bloom!" will only augment the area where your bullets can land.
In no shape or form is the possibility of landing a lucky 5sk removed.
Bloom would still be able to reward a spammer.



Also, I want to focus a little bit on this.
Posted by: SuperCrack
The game without bloom would be way too simple.


Removing bloom, such as what MLG has done, simply puts the player with the better shot above the other.




Bloom wouldn't of received half the hate it gets if it had actually been properly implemented but sad reality is that it was.
Trying to defend it doesn't make any sense.

Well, it makes no sense if you're the type of player that bloom rewarded for being terrible.

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Posted by: Umpalumpalump63

Posted by: Apocalypse
Also, Halo 4 is awful too.

Even if you do somehow think Halo 4 is going to be bad, you should at least recognize it's going to be much better than Reach.

Oops forgot you can't link Halo 4 related info.


lol, sad thing is its not going to be better than Reach. Its worse and I didn't think that was possible unless you seriously tried to get that as an outcome.

  • 10.18.2012 2:18 PM PDT