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Subject: Why didn't the UNSC ever use the Covie's weapons against them?
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

1. The UNSC has been reverse engineering Covie tech. The most notable example is MJOLNIR derived from Jackal gauntlets.
2. Covie ships self-destruct in case of boarders.
3. Protocol is that Covie ships are never to be taken to colonies because there may be trackers on them the UNSC doesn't know about.
4. Getting to the ships are hard in the first place because of their massive superiority in naval combat.

  • 10.09.2012 2:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
1. The UNSC has been reverse engineering Covie tech. The most notable example is MJOLNIR derived from Jackal gauntlets.
2. Covie ships self-destruct in case of boarders.
3. Protocol is that Covie ships are never to be taken to colonies because there may be trackers on them the UNSC doesn't know about.
4. Getting to the ships are hard in the first place because of their massive superiority in naval combat.


Indeed. As far as I know, ALL Covenant weaponry is contraband and not to be appropriated by UNSC personnel. Emile has a penchant for gathering spoils from Covenant he kills, and this nearly got him in serious trouble - Colonel Holland didn't report it because he believed the regulation should only apply to Navy, not Army.

But yeah, bringing Covenant weaponry/equipment to a location not discovered by the Covenant is a no-go.

  • 10.09.2012 3:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
In The Fall of Reach, it says whenever a Covenant ship's been boarded or about to be boarded, they've initiated a self-destruct and destroyed the ship.

Ascendant Justice was a special case.



...that's pretty much /thread, folks.

  • 10.09.2012 3:48 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Xd00999
1. The UNSC has been reverse engineering Covie tech. The most notable example is MJOLNIR derived from Jackal gauntlets.
2. Covie ships self-destruct in case of boarders.
3. Protocol is that Covie ships are never to be taken to colonies because there may be trackers on them the UNSC doesn't know about.
4. Getting to the ships are hard in the first place because of their massive superiority in naval combat.


Indeed. As far as I know, ALL Covenant weaponry is contraband and not to be appropriated by UNSC personnel. Emile has a penchant for gathering spoils from Covenant he kills, and this nearly got him in serious trouble - Colonel Holland didn't report it because he believed the regulation should only apply to Navy, not Army.

But yeah, bringing Covenant weaponry/equipment to a location not discovered by the Covenant is a no-go.

For good reason, too! A significant part of Cole Protocol revolves around the Covies intentional giving humans their tech after they hid tracers on it. The Innies spread the tech to some colonies and the Covenant follow the trail.

  • 10.09.2012 3:53 PM PDT
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Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce.

Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser.

Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible.

They were planning on capturing a cruiser, they just never had the means to do it (PoA could sustain extreme structural damage before falling apart and spartans could get to the bridge before well... dying)

Ohw and ofcourse the entire plan failed when reach got attacked.

  • 10.09.2012 6:12 PM PDT


Posted by: tjal
Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce.

Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser.

Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible.

They were planning on capturing a cruiser, they just never had the means to do it (PoA could sustain extreme structural damage before falling apart and spartans could get to the bridge before well... dying)

Ohw and of course the entire plan failed when reach got attacked.
You mean Operation REDFLAG? Wasn't REDFLAG meant to like capture a Prophet by boarding the ship?

A ship with a Prophet would have LOADS of protection. I don't think it was a very good plan. Very, VERY, risky.

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  • 10.09.2012 6:31 PM PDT

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They tried it. The Covenant always self destructed.

  • 10.09.2012 6:44 PM PDT


Posted by: tjal
Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce.

Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser.

Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible.


No, they didn't try it before because the intelligence regarding prophets was relatively new - for many years, the UNSC believed only Unggoy and Kig-Yar were of the Covenant (that's been retconned slightly, but I still think the prophets were unheard of for a while.)

As well as this, they'd never had an AI with the infiltration capabilities of Cortana before - as Reach shows, she's been enhanced by Forerunner technology. The idea was for her to take over the Covenant network and disable any routines that would allow the crew to scuttle the ship.

This is what she does with the Ascendant Justice.

  • 10.10.2012 12:29 AM PDT

:P

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
In The Fall of Reach, it says whenever a Covenant ship's been boarded or about to be boarded, they've initiated a self-destruct and destroyed the ship.

Ascendant Justice was a special case.

Don't forget the Bloodied Spirit.

  • 10.11.2012 3:40 PM PDT

<(-_-)> Teh mokey is not amused

Covenant technology, including all weapons and armour systems, self destructs when you try to dissect it, rather violently I might add. The only way halsey managed to get a jackal shield for mjolnir is because it was a very ancient design.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
as Reach shows, she's been enhanced by Forerunner technology.
lolReach canon

  • 10.12.2012 6:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: tjal
Ok... If you have read the books you would know that the pillar of autumn was refitted to board a cruiser with all the available spartan 2's. Capture the bridge before it self-destructed, get the nav data. Go to the home-planet, capture a so-called prophet (leader) and force a truce.

Now... let me check this: they rebuild 1 single ship (fitted it with meters of titanium armor) AND put 30 spartan 2's inside it just to capture 1 cruiser.

Yeah seems legit that they didn't try it before... they didn't try it because it was impossible.


No, they didn't try it before because the intelligence regarding prophets was relatively new - for many years, the UNSC believed only Unggoy and Kig-Yar were of the Covenant (that's been retconned slightly, but I still think the prophets were unheard of for a while.)

As well as this, they'd never had an AI with the infiltration capabilities of Cortana before - as Reach shows, she's been enhanced by Forerunner technology. The idea was for her to take over the Covenant network and disable any routines that would allow the crew to scuttle the ship.

This is what she does with the Ascendant Justice.


I just stated the intention of the boarding. The reason they never captured a cruiser was because couldn't board or get to the bridge quick enough (spartans could) in time before they self-destructed. The prophets are kinda irrelevant to the capture-a-cruiser plan

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