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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Comparison to American Revolution
I have never seen that once, and I've pretty much seen everything that's ever been released concerning the Insurrection. So where are you pulling this from? And no, they are not a rebel army, not once do they send a proper force against the UNSC, it's all terrorist attacks and hit and run attacks...not once do the Innies ever have anything remotely resembling a proper army. They are semi-independent terrorist cells, nothing even resembling an army in the least.
Far Isle is hardly evidence of anything...we know a whopping grand total of nothing at all about it other than it happened. I'm sorely tempted to not even respond to this one because we know so little about it. All we do know is an armed uprising broke out that couldn't be contained, and the two cities wound up getting nuked, and that's it. And again, the Rubble are different, they're hardly even Insurrectionists, they took the right approach, they weren't getting what they wanted, so rather than resorting to violence or attacking the UNSC (that we know of, we don't know too much about what they did before the Covenant passed by Madrigal), they up and left and formed their own little place away from the UNSC where they could run things their own little way...and even so, they couldn't completely run things their own way as they had to cater to the now homeless people who supported the the UNSC that they took in...in any case though, the Rubble, with the exceptions of a few people like that one council member consorting with Reth and the Jackals and shipping Truth's altered weapons into the Innie cells still within the UNSC, are an example of the right sorts, and they aren't even really Insurrectionists in my book, or like the group that gal Cole was dating at one point her group only attacked the actual military and eventually they just up and left.
They were the same in the beginning, and then the people who were having the negotiations with the UNSC (there was no proper Insurrectionist movement at that point, just groups dissatisfied with the UNSC and wanting to fix or change things up), the moderates and "normals" of the dissident groups, swung back around to the UNSC once the terrorist attacks started, they put things on hold and stood off on the side lines, or they got enough together and left to create places like the Rubble....though actually IIRC, the Rubble was originally an outpost of the groups launching attacks >_> Anyways, they put their goals on hold once the actual Insurrectionists started up their -blam!-. All of the Insurrectionists were attacking the UNSC or butchering civilians, that's what the Insurrection was, they might have had the same issues as people who were dissatisfied with UNSC rule, but they're not the same thing or groups, the Insurrectionists are only the groups working or a part of the groups launching the terrorist attacks, those are the only guys I consider Insurrectionists, the ones actually attacking and committing other acts of violence.
Brush up on your history pal, the 13 Colonies actually didn't want a new and completely different government, not at first, not until they knew without a doubt that the King wasn't going to cooperate with them at all and was just going to continue to make things worse. They wanted more rights and representation, separating from England and declaring independence was an absolute last resort. In any case, as I said above, the Rubble changed because of being an amalgam of those who were always loyal to the UNSC and the group that founded it and were originally Insurrectionists. It shifted from being actual Insurrectionists to just a small group trying to scrape by and survive on their own. UNSC gets on fine with the Covenant Separatists...ONI is the only problem, and they are acting on their own and their actions are not in the least sanctioned by the UEG or UNSC. Hood, and by extension the rest of the government, as a matter of fact, wants peace with the Separatists and to try and forge some kind of working relationship with them. And we don't know anything at all about alien relations on Venezia...to me it just sounds like business dealings and that's it, Venezia tolerates Kig-Yar and Jiralhanae living there because they're providing them with Covenant tech and illegally obtained UNSC tech from the black market. But in any case, again, we don't know anything at all about it other than some are there in a business capacity like the Kig-Yar at the Rubble.
Innies Being Threat to Human Race
I think you need to read up on the Insurrection bub, like really read up on them. They were a threat to the whole human race, the report that Halsey read (and the research she then conducted independently and completely on her own after reading the report) and what was what convinced her to accept ONI's proposal/request of heading up the Spartan Program stated that if things kept going as they were and if the Insurrectionists weren't stopped they'd knock humanity into a second Dark Age and an incalculable number of the human race would be left dead in its wake. And where is your source for them not stopping? Because from all indications they certainly didn't have any intentions of ever cutting it out, especially since the various Innie cells focused on every single planet they could attack and not just their own, they were in it to destroy the whole UNSC.
Eridanus Secundus
Actually they had to force them to help as the group there initially tried to drive them away and scare them off...though both sides were actually bluffing. And Governor Jiles (the guy running the asteroid base(s) there) and his men certainly didn't willingly give them help or a warm welcome at all, things were tense and rather hostile in attitude the whole time. The "Innies" there weren't at all friendly even though they did do their best to help the Ascendant Justice-Gettysburg crew out. And Governor Jiles actually called his people working on the ship out, he didn't make any requests to evacuate, they wanted to stay there and not go back to the UNSC. And when the crew did leave, Whitcomb felt bad about having to do it, here 's quote for you (this might wind up being redundant if Daefaron posts first), from page 338 of First Strike (though really you should read everything right around there as there's a lot more than this one I'm giving, like Whitcomb talking about how he'd rather stay and die fighting and kill off the Covenant who'd come there, which is just the most important one), ""Hundreds for billions," the Admiral whispered, "Duty be damned...I'm still going to burn in hell for this." Admiral Whitcomb inhaled deeply and closed his eyes. "Go Cortana. Get us out of here. And God forgive me."
UNSC/UEG/ONI
Actually I believe things are still in transition between the UNSC and the UEG, the UEG is starting to come back into authority and power, but it's still a transitional state, imo and from what we know. And actually the UNSC had started to be the government and granted some emergency powers when the Insurrectionist started up all of their -blam!-. UNSC High Command and ONI Section 3 were what created the Spartan II Program. And no, ONI goes down alone, the UNSC is not involved in most of their crap, and until Glasslands and the -blam!- and false interpretations of Karen Travissty came along, ONI wasn't really corrupt at all, they were like any other government intelligence agency and actually trying to do their actual job and not doing stuff jut "for the evulz and -blam!-z and giggles", stuff like the Mona Lisa were rogue elements that were all dealt with as they came up like they are in the real world when rogue elements crop up in real life intelligence agencies, the whole branch isn't disbanded and gutted because of a small group going rogue and creating an unsanctioned project or perverting a sanctioned one and abusing their power with it (such as like with the Bourne movies/series).