Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Are you an Insurrectionist or a Loyalist?
  • Subject: Are you an Insurrectionist or a Loyalist?
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3
Subject: Are you an Insurrectionist or a Loyalist?

Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Spartan1995324
Eridanus Secundus


Actually they had to force them to help as the group there initially tried to drive them away and scare them off...though both sides were actually bluffing. And Governor Jiles (the guy running the asteroid base(s) there) and his men certainly didn't willingly give them help or a warm welcome at all, things were tense and rather hostile in attitude the whole time. The "Innies" there weren't at all friendly even though they did do their best to help the Ascendant Justice-Gettysburg crew out. And Governor Jiles actually called his people working on the ship out, he didn't make any requests to evacuate, they wanted to stay there and not go back to the UNSC. And when the crew did leave, Whitcomb felt bad about having to do it, here 's quote for you (this might wind up being redundant if Daefaron posts first), from page 338 of First Strike (though really you should read everything right around there as there's a lot more than this one I'm giving, like Whitcomb talking about how he'd rather stay and die fighting and kill off the Covenant who'd come there, which is just the most important one), ""Hundreds for billions," the Admiral whispered, "Duty be damned...I'm still going to burn in hell for this." Admiral Whitcomb inhaled deeply and closed his eyes. "Go Cortana. Get us out of here. And God forgive me."
They didn't offer at all though. A "noble" organization would have at LEAST made the offer. I'll go back and read it again though. It's been a while, so I'll go to my local library.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Spartan1995324
UNSC/UEG/ONI


Actually I believe things are still in transition between the UNSC and the UEG, the UEG is starting to come back into authority and power, but it's still a transitional state, imo and from what we know. And actually the UNSC had started to be the government and granted some emergency powers when the Insurrectionist started up all of their -blam!-. UNSC High Command and ONI Section 3 were what created the Spartan II Program. And no, ONI goes down alone, the UNSC is not involved in most of their crap, and until Glasslands and the -blam!- and false interpretations of Karen Travissty came along, ONI wasn't really corrupt at all, they were like any other government intelligence agency and actually trying to do their actual job and not doing stuff jut "for the evulz and -blam!-z and giggles", stuff like the Mona Lisa were rogue elements that were all dealt with as they came up like they are in the real world when rogue elements crop up in real life intelligence agencies, the whole branch isn't disbanded and gutted because of a small group going rogue and creating an unsanctioned project or perverting a sanctioned one and abusing their power with it (such as like with the Bourne movies/series).
Stuff like the Mona Lisa were rogue, so WHY NOT ruin ONI by exposing them to public? WHY NOT tell the public that ONI had kidnapped their children? WHY NOT get rid of this pain in the neck that keeps doing stuff you don't want them to? Oh wait, because the UNSC was involved, or at least High Command like you said.

High Command is running the show, so they make the calls. The expose ONI, ONI does the same to High Command. High Command won't do it because they're at risk. If they weren't, they would have exposed ONI a LONG time ago. It's mutual "survival". They would both be in deep trouble, and as I said it might swing the public's favour towards the Insurrection.

What's stopping them from exposing ONI for what they are? After all, they are "noble".

[Edited on 10.11.2012 3:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.11.2012 1:26 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

UNSC. If the Innies want sympathy they shouldn't attack civilian targets.

  • 10.11.2012 10:47 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit

I guess on paper I'm a loyalist, the colonies are stronger together than they are apart.
That being said the UNSC had screwed a lot of the newer colonies over - humans simply expanded too quickly.
I see the Insurrectionists reasoning, but during the Covenant war disagreements should have been set aside, you don't need a war on two fronts.

  • 10.12.2012 4:53 AM PDT

I'm kind of on the ropes about this... In some ways I'd be a Loyalist, but in other ways I'd be an Innie.

  • 10.13.2012 11:02 AM PDT

About me: I am a vicious wolf of a man.

But really am sweet at heart. =)

Loyalist.

There is nothing to suggest that independent colony rule would work. Eventually everything would simply fall apart and the colonies would break down into war with one another. It's what nearly happened with the Articles of Confederacy, it's what lead to a weak Confederate States of America in the Civil War, and it's what would happen to independent colonies.

  • 10.13.2012 2:22 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?

Loyalist, and besides, the colonies had significant self-rule anyway.

[Edited on 10.13.2012 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.13.2012 2:50 PM PDT

Also known as Entropy91
Black Water Ops representative.
See you on the battlefield.

That "democracy that isn't really a democracy" is the only reason the human race continues to exist as a result of the war with the Covenant.

If we're picking teams, I'm joining the winning team.

  • 10.13.2012 4:38 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay

Loyalist.

  • 10.13.2012 4:42 PM PDT

Loyalist. Chief and Johnson were Loyalists. So I'm a loyalist.

  • 10.13.2012 6:59 PM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3