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Subject: Unwritten Rule being "enforced"?

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So, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understand it is that there, in some recent iteration of the forum rules, there was a rule about talking about or "calling out" (to use the common phrase) members in the public forums. And, as I read the Forum Rules this 11th of October, that rule does not exist.

So, why is it that I've pretty much seen mods (like, for example, just because he's the only one I can recall at the moment, evilcam) warning people to not call out specific users or to focus parts or all of a discussion about a specific user? As long as discussion does not devolve into ad hominem, swearing, and maternal slights, then what is wrong with discussing a specific user?

Another example of this, or, rather, perhaps an example of the psychological result of seeing examples of this, is when people [REDACT] the name of a mod in a Ban Citation. Who cares if a specific mod banned a specific person for a specific thing? I don't think mods have a chance of being spammed or flamed because someone disagreed with a decision they made towards another person, in a ban that's clearly already been lifted or run its course.*

Is it really fair/common practice/possible to dole out punishment for something that's not even written into The Rules (anymore)?

P.S.
Even if there's no direct enforcement of this unwritten rule, why do you think it's so taboo? I mean, sure, people do it, but as noted above when it becomes a fair amount of the conversation, from what I've seen, it gets immediately verbally warned about and thus shut down.

  • 10.11.2012 1:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Hey, guys, what's going on in this thread?
Someone tell Kivell that he is a lie.


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From what I understand, it WAS a rule and then they came to the conclusion that it was ok, if done in a tasteful manner.

  • 10.11.2012 1:10 PM PDT

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"You have no rights" is the only one that matters, I think.

  • 10.11.2012 1:13 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Make117
"You have no rights" is the only one that matters, I think.
Then why bother outlining all the others?

  • 10.11.2012 1:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

I believe it now falls under the play nice and don't be a jerk rule. You can talk about a certain member, but you can't create a thread to slander a certain member.

  • 10.11.2012 1:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Make117
"You have no rights" is the only one that matters, I think.
Then why bother outlining all the others?
I don't know, I didn't write the rules. I only follow them (or at least do my best..)

  • 10.11.2012 1:17 PM PDT

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@Geegs30

What use is there to make a thread to discuss a certain specific member? If you and this other person are in a disagreement or have any other issue, take it to PMs.

Discussions about certain things that some people do is completely fine, and that is easily achievable without mentioning any names. I have to agree with the moderation team that any mention of a specific user in a post does very little to help discussion, and often works in the opposite way.

On the topic of whether or not it is "fair to dole out punishment for something that's not even written into The Rules," I would disagree on the principle that something like this is actually in the rules.
Respect your fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it.
Do you think that people that mention other users on the mains have asked for the permission to do so from those that they want to publicly name? I feel that respecting your fellow members would require such action.

[Edited on 10.11.2012 1:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.11.2012 1:17 PM PDT

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- Respect your fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it. It's sneaking under the Don't Be a Jerk section.

You can mention someone. But if you make them look bad, it's not allowed.

  • 10.11.2012 1:18 PM PDT

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I think this falls under the play nice clause. There is no longer a rule about discussing specific users, but you still have to respect them.

- Respect your fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it.

  • 10.11.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xplode441
I believe it now falls under the play nice and don't be a jerk rule. You can talk about a certain member, but you can't create a thread to slander a certain member.

That's how I think it is as well.

  • 10.11.2012 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: catman6
- Respect your fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it. It's sneaking under the Don't Be a Jerk section.

You can mention someone. But if you make them look bad, it's not allowed.
This is why "your least favorite floodian" threads get locked, while "your favorite floodian" threads don't, unless they lead to people flaming each other. Which is not unusual I guess..

  • 10.11.2012 1:21 PM PDT

It was removed awhile ago.
Posted by: catman6
- Respect your fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it. It's sneaking under the Don't Be a Jerk section.

You can mention someone. But if you make them look bad, it's not allowed.
Pretty much my understanding. If it breaks the "Don't be a jerk" rule, then it warrants action.

  • 10.11.2012 1:21 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I believe that I and my fellow ninja are adopting a stance of "let the members decide".

Other than topics that I see (as I browse and participate in the forums) that are a glaring and obvious "Awww hell NO!" to my eyes, other than those types of topics/posts, I am waiting for the report queue to drive my use of warnings/bans.

Especially while Bungie is running dark, this community is more than capable of using the tools provided to it, and as a part of that community, I am restricting my action to actual calls for help (the report queue) and serious issues that I encounter in my... patrolling.

My colleagues may or may not have adopted similar methods since it is (as always) up to their discretion and their judgement as to how they choose to act. Of course, we all discuss these matters in private, but anyone who has been paying attention couldn't have helped but notice that "since we're all family" we ninja are relying on the judgement of the community and their use of reporting to show us what the community itself considers to be "issues worthy of attention".

So, on the OP's topic? Posts about individuals, made by others or the individual themselves, may be seen as tending to "live longer" and in some cases the threads even prosper, or get to the point where they get out of hand. I tend to wait until something shows up in the queue, or (once again) I see something that triggers my "awww hell no" response.

  • 10.11.2012 1:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Geegs30
What use is there to make a thread to discuss a certain specific member?
I'm not in favor of this, and most of my OP wasn't about this.

If you and this other person are in a disagreement or have any other issue, take it to PMs. Still not what I'm talking about.

Discussions about certain things that some people do is completely fine, and that is easily achievable without mentioning any names. I have to agree with the moderation team that any mention of a specific user in a post does very little to help discussion, and often works in the opposite way.If I want to talk about ways that spartain ken 15 has, in my opinion, affected Community Contests without personally insulting him, I should be able to because it's a topic of legitimate discussion.

On the topic of whether or not it is "fair to dole out punishment for something that's not even written into The Rules," I would disagree on the principle that something like this is actually in the rules.
Respect your fellow members, or at least tolerate them publicly. Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated, even if they probably deserve it.
I'm not okay with evilcam's practice of telling people to stop talking about a specific user and nonverbally threatening punishment for those actions with his posts. See? I can talk about a specific user without harassing them.

Do you think that people that mention other users on the mains have asked for the permission to do so from those that they want to publicly name? I feel that respecting your fellow members would require such action. So I should ask Mitt Romney and Barack Obama before I have a discussion about the election with my friend? I should ask that kid who just walked past me in the hallway if I can comment on his MLP shirt to my friend before I do so?

That seems a little too much effort to just talk about someone.

  • 10.11.2012 1:26 PM PDT