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Subject: Where the books are wrong: the effects of glassing a planet
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Posted by: an REG Omega
This is scientifically impossible.


It's called "science fiction" for a reason you know.

  • 06.27.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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And just because First Strike came out before Halo dosen't mean the game is based on the book.

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
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Molecules split apart and combine using electrical energy, not heat. -blam!-lord.
Electricity is heat...


Electricity is NOT heat, electricity can generate heat, but it is not heat. Electricity is a form of energy, just like heat, but it isnt heat.

Oh, and arent Hydrogen and pur Oxygen extremely flamable. Think about a planetary flashfire... yeah, dead.


Electricity is millions of tiny electrons passing along a medium. That's all it is.
There are only two types of energy: kinetic and potential. All energy is the movement of subatomic particles (neutrons, protons, and electrons). Thus, if a molecule is splitting apart, that IS energy. If all atoms and their components were to stop moving, you would reach a point called "absolute zero". This is colder than space, even, believe it or not. Absolute zero would mean a total lack of heat and movement. So far, the scientific community has been unable to achieve absolute zero.

  • 06.27.2006 1:21 PM PDT

The "Halo Bible" (source of all Halo history-fiction) was written a very long time ago. The books AND the games are based off it. It all comes from the same source so you guys can just all drop this crap about games being based off books vice versa. They are all based off the stuff Bungie wrote, how about that? And yes, Fall of Reach came out a couple of weeks before Halo 1. Deal with it.

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Posted by: ImABigWeirdo
Posted by: an REG Omega
This is scientifically impossible.

So is faster than light travel.


Not with artificial gravity.

  • 06.27.2006 2:27 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

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Posted by: ImABigWeirdo
Posted by: an REG Omega
This is scientifically impossible.

So is faster than light travel.


Not with artificial gravity.


and nachos.

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hmmm
this is interesting






i like donuts.

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Posted by: diDarius
Posted by: ImABigWeirdo
Posted by: an REG Omega
This is scientifically impossible.

So is faster than light travel.


Not with artificial gravity.


No matter what, light speed is impossible to reach by a physical object. F=ma or force equals mass times acceleration. So the closer you go to light speed, the more force is required to push you. And as you approach light spee, you become infinitely massive, which means you would also need an infinite amount of force to push you. The only reason light can travel as fast as it does is becuase light is both a wave and a particle. It can behave both ways.

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Posted by: an REG Omega
Not sure which forum this fits in, but here goes...

According to the books, when a planet is glassed, the oceans are hit as well and boil away. The planet's surface is bombarded with plasma until there is absolutely nothing left. After a few days, the atmosphere boils away and leaves the planet truly barren. This is scientifically impossible.

If such a thing were to happen and the oceans were to boil away, we can assume that plasma was hot enough to crack a lot of that water into its component atoms, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen would be light enough to escape the planet's gravitational pull. The oxygen would not. The atmosphere wouldn't boil away. It would actually be many times denser.

Basically, the conditions on the surface of a glassed planet would be like the surface of Venus on a bad day. The ground temperature would be several hundred degrees celsius, with the crust partially molten. The atmosphere would be a greenhouse oven, meaning it would stay that way indefinitely. Finally, there would be increased seismic and volcanic activity, and the atmosphere would be mainly composed of a very flammable, very toxic, and very corrosive gas: oxygen.

Just a thought.

i have to defend the book here have you glassed a planet recently?

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Plasmaaa....is pretty damn hot? But on other news, it IS just a book written on a game.


no it is a game based on a book.


Nope. Other way round. If the game was made off the book, the other Spartans would have been in it from the beginning. But they aren't, proving the game was made first.


well considering 2 books were out b4 a game was out, i do think u r wrong. and also considering these 2 books are named HALO also. the game is based on the books, but are not precise to the books. they get ideas fromt he books.

thank you..


THE BOOKS ARE BASED ON THE GAME!!!!!!! The authors of the books got permission from BUNGIE to base novels off of the Halo universe.

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
Posted by: diDarius
Posted by: ImABigWeirdo
Posted by: an REG Omega
This is scientifically impossible.

So is faster than light travel.


Not with artificial gravity.


No matter what, light speed is impossible to reach by a physical object. F=ma or force equals mass times acceleration. So the closer you go to light speed, the more force is required to push you. And as you approach light spee, you become infinitely massive, which means you would also need an infinite amount of force to push you. The only reason light can travel as fast as it does is becuase light is both a wave and a particle. It can behave both ways.


And people also said breaking the sound barrier was impossible. :p

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yes, but theirs a difference between, "really fast" and a definite phsyical constraint. Reaching the sound barrier was HARD, not impossible. You just needed a lot of force. Reaching the speed of light requires an infinite amount of force... see the difference. Take calculus, the equation creates a limit at infinity as speed approaces the speed of light. Making the equation nothing more than a general statement as how a object behaves as you increase it's velocity.

PS. Speed of sound is something like 343m/s speed of light is 186000m/s, big differnece

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yes, but theirs a difference between, "really fast" and a definite phsyical constraint. Reaching the sound barrier was HARD, not impossible. You just needed a lot of force. Reaching the speed of light requires an infinite amount of force... see the difference. Take calculus, the equation creates a limit at infinity as speed approaces the speed of light. Making the equation nothing more than a general statement as how a object behaves as you increase it's velocity.

PS. Speed of sound is something like 343m/s speed of light is 186000m/s, big differnece


You guys are all basing this on Einsteinian crap.
EINSTEIN WAS A MORON compared to Tesla.
I'm not saying I'm smarter than Einstein, but I definitely don't buy in to Einstein's physics...

  • 06.27.2006 3:20 PM PDT

I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and I'm all out of bubble gum.

To everyone who keeps mentioning slipspace and faster than light travel as things not possible, therefore we should discount his theory, you're wrong. His theory is hypothesizing on things already established. Slip space and faster than light travel are not established, which is why Bungie has more free reign when it comes to these issues. That's like saying a game can have rocks made out of styrofoam just because it's science fiction. And if we've learned anything, it's that Bungie trys to stick to the facts.

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Posted by: an REG Omega
Not sure which forum this fits in, but here goes...

According to the books, when a planet is glassed, the oceans are hit as well and boil away. The planet's surface is bombarded with plasma until there is absolutely nothing left. After a few days, the atmosphere boils away and leaves the planet truly barren. This is scientifically impossible.

If such a thing were to happen and the oceans were to boil away, we can assume that plasma was hot enough to crack a lot of that water into its component atoms, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen would be light enough to escape the planet's gravitational pull. The oxygen would not. The atmosphere wouldn't boil away. It would actually be many times denser.

Basically, the conditions on the surface of a glassed planet would be like the surface of Venus on a bad day. The ground temperature would be several hundred degrees celsius, with the crust partially molten. The atmosphere would be a greenhouse oven, meaning it would stay that way indefinitely. Finally, there would be increased seismic and volcanic activity, and the atmosphere would be mainly composed of a very flammable, very toxic, and very corrosive gas: oxygen.

Just a thought.

You're off on your physics. The Hydrogen and oxygen would become excited and fly off into space -- they would be so energetic that gravity would not be able to hold them in.

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Posted by: T3mpest
yes, but theirs a difference between, "really fast" and a definite phsyical constraint. Reaching the sound barrier was HARD, not impossible. You just needed a lot of force. Reaching the speed of light requires an infinite amount of force... see the difference. Take calculus, the equation creates a limit at infinity as speed approaces the speed of light. Making the equation nothing more than a general statement as how a object behaves as you increase it's velocity.

PS. Speed of sound is something like 343m/s speed of light is 186000m/s, big differnece


Its funny because during the X-jet tests people said the same exact thing you basically saying. That the sound barrier was a physical constraint and that it would be impossible to get the amount of force needed to break through it. Now I don't pretend to be a scientist, but at least you see my point.

Is the speed of light really impossible for us to achieve? Maybe, but like I said thats what people thought about the speed of sound.

Also this is very off topic, continue the discussion elsewhere, shall we?

[Edited on 6/27/2006]

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Posted by: Spartan117atHalo
stay on topic.


Lol right as I edited in that last bit to mine.

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Anyway, the atmosphere would definately boil away.

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Why can no one Understand this, to knowledge, the HALO BIBLE was writtin before Marathon was even conceived. And last time I checked, the HALO BIBLE is a Book, in which the Halo Triligy is based off of, there is even direct quotes of it if you scroll back thru the News Headlines, where Bungie says they will probally release part of the Halo Bible to us, the normal people. THE HALO SERIES WAS BASED OF A BOOK, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS

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If you read the back cover of the books it says that "this book is based off of a mature-rated videogame." That proves that.

However, The heat of the plasma should really just ignite anything in its path considering it is in the 100000 degrees Celsius catagory, which is pretty dang hot. That would mean there would be no atmosphere. To prove this, you may want to consider this science fact.

Hydrogen is never found as a single. Therefore it is H2.

Oxygen is never found as a single. Therefore it has to exist as O2

Water has the formula H2O. The Oxygen would burn in its natural state.

Also, the water would be so heated that it would pass the gaseous state and reach plasma, which is the fourth state of matter. Solid, Liquid, Gas, Plasma.

O3, or Ozone would also reach this plasma state almost instantaneously, meaning that there would be no chance of any form of atmosphere. As a result, people would die of lack of oxygen, or their heads would explode due to lack of atmospheric pressure.

Either way you look at it it's goodbye humanity.

[Edited on 6/27/2006]

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I'm sorry but you need to retake physics. The plasma would split every single molecule into its component atoms. It would be too hot for them to reform. The superheated, superenergetic atoms would then fly off into space.

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GUYS COME ON. THE BOOKS ARE MADE TO COMPLIMENT THE GAMES NOT THE GAMES TO COMPLIMENT THE BOOKS. IT IS IN THE FUTURE ANYWAY. OMEGA YOU ARE THE BIGGEST NERD IV'E EVER SEEN.

  • 06.27.2006 10:00 PM PDT

Check out all my theories and creations at HBO!

Or read my fanfic, "Effort Cannot Conquer Faith" -- it won a signed novel from Eric Nylund!

I'm no physics expert, but wouldn't all that pure oxygen simply burn up?

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FTL travel is impossible in our universe, but say you travel to a dimension where our laws of physics don't apply? THat's how FTL travel works in Halo, you aren't accelerating past the speed of light, you just are traveling to a dimension based on a shrunken version of our own, go read First Strike, DR Halsey describes Slipspace very clearly.

FTL travel in our three dimensions is impossible, so is lightspeed travel, as it would require an infinite amount of energy, and since infinity can't be measured using our units, we can't design something to propell something that fast.

  • 06.27.2006 10:22 PM PDT