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I forgot the exact wording of the Law I'm quoting, but it says that atoms bonded the way water is can't be sepereated by normal means I.E:heat, force, or any othe rnormal means. One easy way is Electrolysis. Something that can be done at home.

  • 06.27.2006 10:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kaiyuss
The "Halo Bible" (source of all Halo history-fiction) was written a very long time ago. The books AND the games are based off it. It all comes from the same source so you guys can just all drop this crap about games being based off books vice versa. They are all based off the stuff Bungie wrote, how about that? And yes, Fall of Reach came out a couple of weeks before Halo 1. Deal with it.


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It's just a book, and Plasma is one of the 4 natural gases. But Plasma is the least used out of the other 3.

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omg...it never said the atmosphere would go away

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It's just a book, and Plasma is one of the 4 natural gases. But Plasma is the least used out of the other 3.

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Wtf are you smoking? Plasma isn't any type of gas. Plasma is a state when matter reaches the "triple point", meaning it is a gas, solid, and liquid all at once.

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So, not everything in halo is possible. Steven Hawkings proved that going into a Worm hole would make it collapse the minute you where to go in, therefore the entire idea of going into slipspace is impossible because it would just close on you.

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Plasmaaa....is pretty damn hot? But on other news, it IS just a book written on a game.


no it is a game based on a book.


No it's definitely a book based on a game. So many people rant on and on about the books, but Bungie created the Halo universe with Halo 1.

  • 06.28.2006 7:06 AM PDT
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If the atmosphere had that much oxygen in it along with the plasma what do you think would happen? First of the atmosphere is mainly Nitrogen... Secondly if the majority of it was oxygen and something as hot as plasma came through it would cause a GIANT chain reaction explosion. Why? Fire is fueled by oxygen... So lots of oxygen = BIG FIRE or BIG EXPLOSION. As for the glassing effect being accurate... Its possible, but nobody truely knows what really would happen unless we tested it.

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Posted by: Seven is Darker
So, not everything in halo is possible. Steven Hawkings proved that going into a Worm hole would make it collapse the minute you where to go in, therefore the entire idea of going into slipspace is impossible because it would just close on you.


Stephen Hawking is a theoretical physicist. He didn't prove anything. He theorized. The only way he could prove that would be to create a wormhole, have something enter it, and then have it collapse. Unless you are privy to information regarding the creation of wormholes here on Earth, you are mistaken.

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Stephen Hawking bases his theories on fact though.

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Posted by: Spartan117atHalo
I'm sorry but you need to retake physics. The plasma would split every single molecule into its component atoms. It would be too hot for them to reform. The superheated, superenergetic atoms would then fly off into space.


Well in that case, you have outdone yourself. The atmosphere's deterieration would not be instantaneous. This means that the component atoms, since they are unstable when uncombined would ignite in their unstable state, not fly off into space.

Also, Could someone enlighten me as to how they would fly into space, would a word like drift be more appropriate?

  • 06.28.2006 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Stephen Hawking bases his theories on fact though.


He uses underlying scientific facts to support his theories. Those underlying facts, do not prove his theories.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Stephen Hawking bases his theories on fact though.


He uses underlying scientific facts to support his theories. Those underlying facts, do not prove his theories.


ohh man you just got WTFPWNED

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But wouldn't the plasma burn the oxygen away.


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This is scientifically impossible.

So is faster than light travel.



i agree with that. however, in Halo, they use slipspace, which is totally different. light speed is reducing your volume to zero, which is the volume of light. however, if this happened, the object would dissappear. slipspace is basically ripping a hole in space with sheer force, sort of like creating a wormhole for the ship to travel through.

  • 06.28.2006 10:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: Seven is Darker
So, not everything in halo is possible. Steven Hawkings proved that going into a Worm hole would make it collapse the minute you where to go in, therefore the entire idea of going into slipspace is impossible because it would just close on you.

Yes. But the books never specifically call it a wormhole, its slipspace. Physicists may soon prove that a fourth dimension exists, "slipspace?". Which would change many of Einstiens theories on relativity. It may be possibly to move into the fourth dimension then relatively travel faster than the speed of light.

  • 06.28.2006 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: an REG Omega
Basically, the conditions on the surface of a glassed planet would be like the surface of Venus on a bad day. The ground temperature would be several hundred degrees celsius, with the crust partially molten. The atmosphere would be a greenhouse oven, meaning it would stay that way indefinitely. Finally, there would be increased seismic and volcanic activity, and the atmosphere would be mainly composed of a very flammable, very toxic, and very corrosive gas: oxygen.


I agree that it would produce a Venus-like environment, but some of your conclusions (or those added by others are incorrect). There is evidence that early in its creation, Venus cold have been very Eart-like prior to the run-away greenhouse effect.

1. If the water on the planet was seperated to Hydrogen and Oxygen, the Hydrogen only would form H2. O2 is formed through photosynthesis (on Earth). Since there would be no more plant life remaining, that would nix the O2. Oxygen is a very reactive and combines with other gases and elements such as iron, that would deplete much of the free oxygen in the atmosphere.

2. There is no evidence to support increased seismic and volcanic activity. If the planet was "glassed", Im assuming it would initially be hot enough to fuse any boundaries between tectonic plates, and only after eons would these plates break back apart. Volcanic activity can't be ruled out.

3. You are going under the assumption that every glasses planet is Earth-like. Each planet that we currently know of have very different atmospheric make-ups. Even in the books, the grunts homeworld is methane based.

Basically, we can only speculate on Earth-like planets.

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Posted by: Kaiyuss
The "Halo Bible" (source of all Halo history-fiction) was written a very long time ago. The books AND the games are based off it. It all comes from the same source so you guys can just all drop this crap about games being based off books vice versa. They are all based off the stuff Bungie wrote, how about that? And yes, Fall of Reach came out a couple of weeks before Halo 1. Deal with it.




'Nuff said.

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atmosphere as in our normal atmosphere...duh.

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Posted by: Retarded Moose
Yeah you're right but genetically enhanced super soldiers, thinking AIs with emotions/morals, teleporters, gravity lifts, MAC cannons, giant UNSC space ships, etc are okay then right? It's a frickin' videogame, get over it.


yeah youre right bar one thing: mac guns (magnetic accelorator cannons) exsist today, tfrom the book's description they are basicly railguns, a cannon that uses huge capasitors to stre even huger amounts of energy abd than dumps all of it in to magnetic coils in less than a second. the result is about half a tonne of steel traveling at four times the speed of sound, making quite a cool gun, with no recoil.

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Posted by: an REG Omega
Not sure which forum this fits in, but here goes...

This is scientifically impossible.
Just a thought.


ok. one. its a game.

ok. two. explain how dragons, magic, god, demons, the devil and other random crap can be done o games against "Scientfic Explanation". Oh wait yeah.. they are games based on creativity.

Dude? It's just a game. Get over real life science beating a game-worlds inner science. coz real world wont win.

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Posted by: Hedwig

Physicists may soon prove that a fourth dimension exists, "slipspace?". Which would change many of Einstiens theories on relativity. It may be possibly to move into the fourth dimension then relatively travel faster than the speed of light.


One. you can get 4th dimesionable shapes on Earth. As well as 5th and so on.

I learnt that on "Black Hold High"...the only episode i ever watched. Jodie is fit but short.. anyways, yeah...

...If we could control this dimensions physics too tear a pathway into a 4th dimesion then whats a 1st dimension?


And the images we see in our brain that we may see in 2D or 3D. what D are they really? 1D?

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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

I don't think Bungie thought of the science of glassing a planet when writing up the story...but, thanks for pointing out what really happens. And the earth isn't "destroyed". It's melted and then cooled quickly by the escaping atmosphere, turning it to glass...but, the atmosphere doesn't really go away, so never mind!

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do you have any background in chemistry or physics. because some of what you said is wrong. just one example is that Hydrogen would not escape the planets gravity. it is simple less dense then the other atoms so goes up into the atomsphere. its weight has nothing to do with wiether or not gravity has effect on it.

  • 06.28.2006 12:22 PM PDT