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Posted by: anton1792
Even 3 months after the event, still no one except a small few know about Humanity's inheritance and they are all Humans.


You're forgetting all the Sangheili in the Halo 3 campaign who call John 'Reclaimer?' Or the countless times the Arbiter was with John in the H3 campaign and saw with his own eyes humanity's 'inheritance' ("You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner." "Only YOU can stop what he has set in motion!")

The Sangheili know. Or at the least have been told; I don't know if they believe.

  • 10.21.2012 2:13 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

I like how all the UNSC ship threads i make on here become hot topics :)

Should do it more often.



  • 10.21.2012 2:51 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Yeah it sucks, but there isn't anything we can do about it, is there?

Making your opinion known is probably a good place to start.

Posted by: Spartan1995324
All the Elites we have been presented with. While I disagree with Travis only showing us "hateful" Elites, I don't think they can be a hive mind.

Retcon. All those prevailing viewpoints are "reframed" (ie retconned) into being insignificant most likely.

And that's basically it as far as Elite characters who are amiable go. The door slams shut.

Posted by: Spartan1995324
I mean, look at the Great Schism. We were told that Elites and Brutes HATED each other. Now on Sangheilios we have Brutes working as farmers?

I have no issue with that, but for the ridiculous juxtaposition it creates between Elite/Brutes and Elites/Humans that basically undermines the events of Halo 2. It's like the writers want their cake and then eat it with "not all Elites hate Brutes" and then basically have "All Elites hate Humans". Most Elites haven't even seen a Human before. Human is something abstract and immaterial to 99% of them. "The road to Auschwitz was built by hate but paved with indifference...", etc. This just seems like flanderization to me.

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Posted by: anton1792
Even 3 months after the event, still no one except a small few know about Humanity's inheritance and they are all Humans.

You're forgetting all the Sangheili in the Halo 3 campaign who call John 'Reclaimer?' Or the countless times the Arbiter was with John in the H3 campaign and saw with his own eyes humanity's 'inheritance' ("You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner." "Only YOU can stop what he has set in motion!")

The Sangheili know. Or at the least have been told; I don't know if they believe.

I haven't forgotten about them. I brought them up a while ago. I think that just like the Elite's entire system of values, those moments in Halo 3 are just being ignored because they are inconvenient for 343i.

Arbiter was locked outside when Spark said that, and Gravemind didn't address anyone in particular from the Arbiter's point of view. And even if he did figure out, 343i/Traviss are acting under the assumption that he does not so it's irrelevant.

Although if they, and the Arbiter, do know then they evidently don't care. It's been handwaved away either way you look at it.

  • 10.21.2012 5:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ErranInfigo
Okay, Humanity isn't the equivalent of a pre-industrial civilization, that is like saying a spear and rocks would kill a tank, its stupid.

No, it's like saying .50 cal armour piercing rounds, Jackhammer missiles and Gauss weaponry can't kill a Scarab, which they really can't. You're ignoring military-industrial capacity as well. The Covenant's production capabilities, population and territorial size vastly outstrips the UNSC's, especially at such a late stage in the war.

The Covenant would have air dominance as well when they send their line ships to dominate the skies with pulse laser fire and their thousands of Banshees and Seraphs swarm over the place. Sure, pre-industrial societies don't have aircraft at all, but the UNSC may as well not even have them either for all intents and purposes when Assault Carriers and Cruisers start coming down and showering the place in pulse laser fire.

An Elite is basically a S-II and worth a fair number of Marines due to energy shielding, powered armour, plasma weapons and the fact that they are physically superior to Humans by a significant margin. Brutes are largely the same. They are just far better equipped in terms of technology, training, physiology and psychology.


You don't survive getting kicked around like Humanity was by being gnats. Many Elites involved in the War had a respect for Humanity, and many could see their great potential.

It wasn't like that they managed to withstand something as powerful as the covenant or anything for 30 years. It more like an Army only having CAS, Light tanks, light infantry, and amazing special forces, vs a Fully equipped Army. It was nowhere near a simple roflstomp and the Elites knew it.

  • 10.21.2012 5:29 PM PDT

"I'm afraid of the man I'll become if I lay my life down for the people I don't even care for"

Where is this video of it ramming a ship???

  • 10.21.2012 5:38 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ErranInfigo
You don't survive getting kicked around like Humanity was by being gnats. Many Elites involved in the War had a respect for Humanity, and many could see their great potential.

I know that. That's probably a large reason why they stopped, asking themselves what the point was of finishing Humanity without the Prophets and their word around. The war's premise was shady anyway. There was no proof of anything. I doubt the Elites were stupid enough to not take the opportunity to ask why when they suddenly could, and that they didn't find the entire war suspicious. I agree with you though. The point I am making is that towards the end of the war it would have been a roflstomp. Humanity wouldn't have survived without the Elites defecting. The UNSC just didn't that much of a military left.

It doesn't matter if it was a roflstomp or not anyway. It wasn't martial prowess the Elites respected exclusively, it was strategic genius, determination and fortitude. They found Humanity interesting because it had these qualities whilst being systematically crushed.

Posted by: UnfitFatbill
Where is this video of it ramming a ship???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yL ABoH5csOc

Video quality is not great. :/

  • 10.21.2012 5:58 PM PDT
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Holy balls.

Right through that mother-blam!-.

  • 10.21.2012 7:14 PM PDT

thing is freaking huge compared to the other ship

  • 10.21.2012 8:24 PM PDT

That Covenant ship is puny! OF COURSE the Infinity tore right through it.

I thought the Infinity had rammed into a Covenant ship of equal size. I am not very impressed...

  • 10.21.2012 8:36 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

This isn't actually the first time this has happened. There was a scene in TFoR where Keyes took the Iroquois and rammed a Covenant Corvette over SOIV and as I recall the Iroquois sustained very little damage from the impact.

  • 10.21.2012 9:09 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: anton1792
This isn't actually the first time this has happened. There was a scene in TFoR where Keyes took the Iroquois and rammed a Covenant Corvette over SOIV and as I recall the Iroquois sustained very little damage from the impact.


I'm fairly certain I remember it losing a few decks....

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
That Covenant ship is puny! OF COURSE the Infinity tore right through it.

I thought the Infinity had rammed into a Covenant ship of equal size. I am not very impressed...


Titanium-A battleplate is -blam!- -blam!- compared to its covenant equivalent, the fact that the infinity looked like the windshield of a car after it rammed the Battlecruiser, I'd say it's a pretty powerful ship.

  • 10.21.2012 10:13 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
This isn't actually the first time this has happened. There was a scene in TFoR where Keyes took the Iroquois and rammed a Covenant Corvette over SOIV and as I recall the Iroquois sustained very little damage from the impact.


Virtually all of the Titanium-casing on its lower hull was scraped off.

Pretty cool that the Infinity can make pinpoint slipspace jumps. It'll be interesting to see how this changes things.

[Edited on 10.22.2012 1:33 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2012 1:26 AM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
That Covenant ship is puny! OF COURSE the Infinity tore right through it.

I thought the Infinity had rammed into a Covenant ship of equal size. I am not very impressed...


Titanium-A battleplate is -blam!- -blam!- compared to its covenant equivalent, the fact that the infinity looked like the windshield of a car after it rammed the Battlecruiser, I'd say it's a pretty powerful ship.
That's like the Pillar of Autumn ramming into a Phantom. Of course it will tear the thing apart.

Had the Infinity gone up against something at least half it's size I would be slightly impressed.

  • 10.22.2012 8:05 AM PDT

Not sure if this has been mentioned, im unable to read the whole thread so far, the Humans now have Huragok's and for the most part other factions do not.

This is a huge tactical advantage, because remember, the engineers/Huragok posses incredible knowledge in not only technology but in making repairs for little cost.

ONI plan's on having a Huragok on each ship by the end of the year.

  • 10.22.2012 10:17 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324
Yeah, sure, except for the fact, that, yah know...it IS canon despite what you want. 343i says it's canon, it's canon. Besides not every single Elite hates humans, a large chunk are just scared that Humanity will seek revenge.[/quote]

If an author refuses to do their research and changes and switches things around as much as they want with no concern for how things actually were (and Traviss has actually stated that that's what she does, she refuses to read any books, play any games, or watch anything having to do with a series she writes for, and she changes characters as she sees fit) then I have no obligation to regard their changes as canon, the only ones who can do as they wish are the actual developers and creative control for the series, such as 343i or Bungie (though anything 343i does is superseded by the actual creators of the whole thing, IE Bungie themselves)...anything a third party does is beneath the works of the developers, and Traviss contradicts Bungie's work, therefore not canon, 343i has not stated anything for themselves about this, but even if they did agree completely with Traviss it still wouldn't be canon as it's defying what the creators of the series were doing. And not I didn't say that the Glasslands Trilogy was completely not canon, merely Traviss interpretations...the facts (such as Parangosky captures Halsey, Infinity being around, SIVs, the Servants of Abiding Truth attempting to revolt against the Arbiter, Jul getting captured by Parangoksy's evil little stooges and escaping to eventually found the Storm Faction, the stuff like that) are canon...things like every single Elite ever hating humans, or Mendez hates Halsey, or Halsey is a simpering, pathetic wimp who's a massive glutton for punishment and masochist, are not.

Except that the book doesn't address that at all. It makes it quite clear in no uncertain terms that every single Elites except for the Arbiter hates the human race, even the ones who are supposed to be on Thel's side, they only want peace in order to build up to wage a war of extermination again...you even have Phillips (the supposed expert on Elites) saying that every single one hates humanity.

Brutes had very little ships, the amount of ships that they were put in charge of, in comparison to the total amount in the Covenant Empire and what the Elites held, were utterly minuscule. That's why I said the Elites held practically 99% of the Covenant ships, it was an exaggeration though, I don't think that was the literal amount of ships they had, just waaaaay more than the Brutes do or ever did.Where is your source for the number of ships the Brutes were given? There is nothing to suggest that the Prophets DIDN'T give them a vast majority of their ships.

If the Prophets were trying to replace the Elites with the Brutes, wouldn't it make sense to give their new protectors as much military strength as possible?

The Elites held the majority of ships. The Elites were replaced with Brutes. Therefore, the Brutes now hold the majority of ships.


Think about this logically, man, I mean come on. Do you even know how huge and vast the Covenant Empire is? ...and the amount of ships and military commanders they'd need to police it? Replacing all of the Elites with Brutes instantly is completely unfeasible, it's an impossibility. It could have been done eventually over time, which Truth didn't have as he started pretty much right before the Great Schism began. There is not enough time for the Brutes to take the dominant position...and if every single Elite or the majority of them were removed, the Schism would have started then and there as the Prophets would be breaking the very bond that set the alliance between the Prophets and Elites up in the first place (Prophets would manage all things religion, and the Elites would be their defenders). Remember how the Elites were threatening to resign from the Council and defect over the Honor Guards being replaced with Brutes? ...now, imagine that ten-fold. Phasing Brutes into more power would have to be a gradual thing, most ships they got from the Schism were by commandeering Elite ships or were ships straight from the ship-yards that had Truth been putting Brutes in charge of.

Right thing to do? Had the Elites not been betrayed they would have followed through with the genocide of humanity.

Sure some Elites began to question the Prophets, but they didn't do anything. Maybe the Sangheili would have revolted, but it would have either been too late, or nobody else would side with them since they would be the "bad guys" for starting it.

And as we can see from Glasslands and the Thursday War, clearly not every Elite wants to help the Humans now that the Covenant is gone. They did what they had to do and want nothing more to do with Humanity, unless it is crushing them.

An entire species cannot have the same opinion unless they are a hive mind, which makes them dull and boring as individuals.


Yeah, because they didn't know they were being lied to. They had begun to wonder why humans hadn't been offered a place in the Covenant, but they had nothing to tell them that the Prophets were liars and had made the whole war up as a grab for power and an attempt to hold onto it...that was only found out once the Schism had begun.

As I said already, Traviss opinion and portrayal of Elite society in that particular aspect of their opinions on humanity are not canon. If they were, then 343i wouldn't have made the Storm Faction, they would have simply just called it the Covenant and treated it as a revival of our old enemies, as opposed to something entirely new and not a separate faction from the mainstream Elites. Traviss went overboard and consequently broke canon.

I never said every single one, I said majority (that does not mean, nor has ever meant, all of something, just simply the most numerous). I don't think it odd or canon breaking at all having guys like Jul or the Servants of Abiding Truth...my problem is exactly what you think is my opinion on the Elites. Traviss is treating them like a hivemind and making every single one except for the Arbiter hate humans...which is not supported and backed up by previous canon. As I said, the majority of the Elites are human sympathizers, or humans aren't a big deal to them one way or the other, they don't want to go to war or attempt to exterminate them again, but they don't care if an alliance is formed or not. If one is "oh well", if one isn't "oh well". The minority are the ones like Jul, the Servants of Abiding Truth, or the Storm Faction who want to depose the Arbiter and attempt to wipe out humanity again.

  • 10.23.2012 11:46 AM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Yeah, sure, except for the fact, that, yah know...it IS canon despite what you want. 343i says it's canon, it's canon. Besides not every single Elite hates humans, a large chunk are just scared that Humanity will seek revenge.


If an author refuses to do their research and changes and switches things around as much as they want with no concern for how things actually were (and Traviss has actually stated that that's what she does, she refuses to read any books, play any games, or watch anything having to do with a series she writes for, and she changes characters as she sees fit) then I have no obligation to regard their changes as canon, the only ones who can do as they wish are the actual developers and creative control for the series, such as 343i or Bungie (though anything 343i does is superseded by the actual creators of the whole thing, IE Bungie themselves)...anything a third party does is beneath the works of the developers, and Traviss contradicts Bungie's work, therefore not canon, 343i has not stated anything for themselves about this, but even if they did agree completely with Traviss it still wouldn't be canon as it's defying what the creators of the series were doing. And not I didn't say that the Glasslands Trilogy was completely not canon, merely Traviss interpretations...the facts (such as Parangosky captures Halsey, Infinity being around, SIVs, the Servants of Abiding Truth attempting to revolt against the Arbiter, Jul getting captured by Parangoksy's evil little stooges and escaping to eventually found the Storm Faction, the stuff like that) are canon...things like every single Elite ever hating humans, or Mendez hates Halsey, or Halsey is a simpering, pathetic wimp who's a massive glutton for punishment and masochist, are not.

Except that the book doesn't address that at all. It makes it quite clear in no uncertain terms that every single Elites except for the Arbiter hates the human race, even the ones who are supposed to be on Thel's side, they only want peace in order to build up to wage a war of extermination again...you even have Phillips (the supposed expert on Elites) saying that every single one hates humanity.
343 stated that what she does is canon. I'm sorry you feel that way but it is. I'm not saying all her decisions are good, I'm merely saying that when you discuss canon (such as in a forum like this) you must consider ALL canon. Not pick and choose.

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Brutes had very little ships, the amount of ships that they were put in charge of, in comparison to the total amount in the Covenant Empire and what the Elites held, were utterly minuscule. That's why I said the Elites held practically 99% of the Covenant ships, it was an exaggeration though, I don't think that was the literal amount of ships they had, just waaaaay more than the Brutes do or ever did.
Where is your source for the number of ships the Brutes were given? There is nothing to suggest that the Prophets DIDN'T give them a vast majority of their ships.

If the Prophets were trying to replace the Elites with the Brutes, wouldn't it make sense to give their new protectors as much military strength as possible?

The Elites held the majority of ships. The Elites were replaced with Brutes. Therefore, the Brutes now hold the majority of ships.


Think about this logically, man, I mean come on. Do you even know how huge and vast the Covenant Empire is? ...and the amount of ships and military commanders they'd need to police it? Replacing all of the Elites with Brutes instantly is completely unfeasible, it's an impossibility. It could have been done eventually over time, which Truth didn't have as he started pretty much right before the Great Schism began. There is not enough time for the Brutes to take the dominant position...and if every single Elite or the majority of them were removed, the Schism would have started then and there as the Prophets would be breaking the very bond that set the alliance between the Prophets and Elites up in the first place (Prophets would manage all things religion, and the Elites would be their defenders). Remember how the Elites were threatening to resign from the Council and defect over the Honor Guards being replaced with Brutes? ...now, imagine that ten-fold. Phasing Brutes into more power would have to be a gradual thing, most ships they got from the Schism were by commandeering Elite ships or were ships straight from the ship-yards that had Truth been putting Brutes in charge of.
The Prophets ordered a genocide. I don't think they cared much about the Write of Union at that point.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Right thing to do? Had the Elites not been betrayed they would have followed through with the genocide of humanity.

Sure some Elites began to question the Prophets, but they didn't do anything. Maybe the Sangheili would have revolted, but it would have either been too late, or nobody else would side with them since they would be the "bad guys" for starting it.

And as we can see from Glasslands and the Thursday War, clearly not every Elite wants to help the Humans now that the Covenant is gone. They did what they had to do and want nothing more to do with Humanity, unless it is crushing them.

An entire species cannot have the same opinion unless they are a hive mind, which makes them dull and boring as individuals.


Yeah, because they didn't know they were being lied to. They had begun to wonder why humans hadn't been offered a place in the Covenant, but they had nothing to tell them that the Prophets were liars and had made the whole war up as a grab for power and an attempt to hold onto it...that was only found out once the Schism had begun.

As I said already, Traviss opinion and portrayal of Elite society in that particular aspect of their opinions on humanity are not canon. If they were, then 343i wouldn't have made the Storm Faction, they would have simply just called it the Covenant and treated it as a revival of our old enemies, as opposed to something entirely new and not a separate faction from the mainstream Elites. Traviss went overboard and consequently broke canon.

I never said every single one, I said majority (that does not mean, nor has ever meant, all of something, just simply the most numerous). I don't think it odd or canon breaking at all having guys like Jul or the Servants of Abiding Truth...my problem is exactly what you think is my opinion on the Elites. Traviss is treating them like a hivemind and making every single one except for the Arbiter hate humans...which is not supported and backed up by previous canon. As I said, the majority of the Elites are human sympathizers, or humans aren't a big deal to them one way or the other, they don't want to go to war or attempt to exterminate them again, but they don't care if an alliance is formed or not. If one is "oh well", if one isn't "oh well". The minority are the ones like Jul, the Servants of Abiding Truth, or the Storm Faction who want to depose the Arbiter and attempt to wipe out humanity again.
343i has stated they wanted to make an integrated story. Therefore they need to consider the books as well, making them canon. For all we know, the Storm could be like a "Mini Covenant" except without Brutes and Prophets. The Elites run the show now. That is most certainly what it seems like. It's different from the Covenant, despite having the same belief regarding Humans.

Also I highly doubt Karen Travis has explored every single Elite on the planet. Perhaps she is merely concentrated on the "bad" Elites, which IS a mistake (I think).

  • 10.23.2012 12:26 PM PDT


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Posted by: KaneXX12
The infinity maybe tough, but it is the only ship of its expensive class. The sangheili still out gun most UNSC ships. Plus, there are still Supercarriers that are much bigger then the Infinity. Then again, a Supercarrier was destroyed by the Pillar of Autumn.


Not to mention the Elites having the whole remainder of the Covenant Empire at their finger-tips, as well as 99% of the whole Covenant fleets as well...if they wanted to, which they don't, they'd be able to kill off humanity without even breaking a sweat...especially since at the end of Halo 3 there's like hardly any kind of military left, there aren't very many ships, and most of those that remain are frigates...which are weak as hell.


Despite this, ONI was confident that the Infinity alone could beat back the Covenant - that was the reason for its commissioning; a final plan should Earth fall.

If you look at the things weapon load-out, you would know why. It carries 26,140 missiles, 830 70mm Point Defense Turrets (fortress point defense network), and 4 Series 8 MAC (similar to the autumns upgraded armament). This coupled with the fact it has the structural integrity to ram a battle-cruiser, or crash land on a planet and take off again as a 6 km vessel is extremely impressive. The thing is a beast, its reactor is chuck noris on a treadmill.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 7:22 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 7:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324

[quote]Posted by: OrderedComa

[quote]Posted by: Spartan1995324

Also I highly doubt Karen Travis has explored every single Elite on the planet. Perhaps she is merely concentrated on the "bad" Elites, which IS a mistake (I think).


The decision to focus on the bad Elites may not have been the best one as far as connecting with the "good" Elites is concerned (even though both books make it abundantly clear they still exist), but it was necessary to explain the Storm, introduce their motives, history and so on. As has been said, we already know the story of the Elites who respected us, we don't need a regurgitation of previous stories, or stories that basically tell us what we already know. It'd be pointless.

What we do need is for the board to be set up for Halo 4, and going into the details on why not ALL the Elites are BFFs with humanity is essential to doing that. Perhaps the books could better reinforce that Vadam still is on our side, but regardless of how little they focus on it, it is still made clear that these kinds of progressive Elites still exist. We just don't need to focus on them. They could perhaps expand upon the relationship, which Thursday War does a bit more of, but really the books are both already 400 pages long. They need to explain what needs to be explained for Halo 4.

Seeing as the only confirmed Covie faction in the game is Storm, they prioritize talking about them.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 7:39 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 7:37 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I think the progressives are dead actually, as I predicted, along with Thel.

Basically the interactive guide to Halo 4 describes the Storm Covenant in a way that strongly implies it to be a major re-incarnation of the Old Covenant Empire. Elite Zealots have largely filled the role of the San-Shyuum in not only religious matters but political and social roles as well, and the vast majority of Sangheili troops are described as making up the Storm Elites. The majority of the Kig-Yar population is also described to be affiliated with the Storm Covenant. Under the Imperial Grunt section it says that this is a "New Covenant Order".

So yeah, so much for that. We can probably expect in the next book for Jul to return to Sanghelios, spill the beans on ONI's betrayal and turn all of the Elites against Humanity, depose Thel and then get things back to the status quo.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 7:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 7:50 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324

[quote]Posted by: OrderedComa

[quote]Posted by: Spartan1995324

Also I highly doubt Karen Travis has explored every single Elite on the planet. Perhaps she is merely concentrated on the "bad" Elites, which IS a mistake (I think).


The decision to focus on the bad Elites may not have been the best one as far as connecting with the "good" Elites is concerned (even though both books make it abundantly clear they still exist), but it was necessary to explain the Storm, introduce their motives, history and so on. As has been said, we already know the story of the Elites who respected us, we don't need a regurgitation of previous stories, or stories that basically tell us what we already know. It'd be pointless.

What we do need is for the board to be set up for Halo 4, and going into the details on why not ALL the Elites are BFFs with humanity is essential to doing that. Perhaps the books could better reinforce that Vadam still is on our side, but regardless of how little they focus on it, it is still made clear that these kinds of progressive Elites still exist. We just don't need to focus on them. They could perhaps expand upon the relationship, which Thursday War does a bit more of, but really the books are both already 400 pages long. They need to explain what needs to be explained for Halo 4.

Seeing as the only confirmed Covie faction in the game is Storm, they prioritize talking about them.
Well I agree that the books need reinforce that there ARE Elites on our side, perhaps shown as "antagonists" to the main characters that want Humanit dead (e.g. Jul).

The rest is apparently nonexistent to the all the haters.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 7:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 7:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
All that was stopping humanity was its looming extinction. Now that's out of the way, and we're going to Reclaim. I think it'll all end badly, since we're installing Forerunner technology and it does appear that the Forerunners are hostile to us.


Reminded me of Mass Effect's story, where all galactic civilization was based on Reaper tech.

  • 10.30.2012 4:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yL ABoH5csOc

Video quality is not great. :/


Here is a HD trailer of the same thing.

  • 10.30.2012 7:07 AM PDT

Friends before pixels.

Well, the Infinity is just showing what we can do now.

All ships in the fleet are getting these upgrades, and I wouldn't doubt that ONI is researching the plasma cannon tech that the Covvies had.

  • 10.30.2012 7:23 AM PDT

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Well, the Infinity is just showing what we can do now.

All ships in the fleet are getting these upgrades, and I wouldn't doubt that ONI is researching the plasma cannon tech that the Covvies had.


Eh, they'll get the upgrades eventually, but as Thursday War said, the Admiralty believes it better for the UNSC to understand exactly how advancements in technology work before incorporating them. Parangotsky and Hood were very frustrated by Huragok installments of Forerunner tech when they didn't understand what they were doing to their Slipspace drives. They don't want to be painted into a corner and lost with out Engineers like the Covenant and Elites are now.

And even then, the first candidates for Forerunner refurbishment will be Marathon and Halcyon class cruisers. Frigates and Destroyers will either be skipped over, or simply rebuilt from the ground up as better and faster ships, without the upgrades. By 2557, the UNSC could have gotten started on upgrades to their fleet, but I doubt they would have gotten to more than a handful of ships. I do notice the much more organic curves to the Pelicans on Infinity however, so a mobilization of "Forerunnerized" assets could be much further along than we thought possible.

On the subject of plasma however, I don't see ONI devoting any amount of time to that subject. Cortana herself back in 2552 thought the Covenant plasma weaponry clumsy and inaccurate. If anything ONI will try to recreate Forerunner weaponry, or improve railgun and MAC designs.

  • 10.30.2012 3:14 PM PDT