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Subject: Do you think aliens really exist?
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Posted by: dopey Doyle
I do believe you are talking from Uranus

That Joke got old over a year ago.

  • 09.30.2004 2:36 PM PDT
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Mianus

  • 09.30.2004 2:45 PM PDT
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I'm glad we don't all live in Mianus

  • 09.30.2004 2:47 PM PDT

Let grunts Sleep!!!

oh yeah

  • 09.30.2004 2:52 PM PDT
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To answer your question, yes I do believe in alien lifeforms. And the possibilities as to what they might look like are endless!

  • 09.30.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master_grunt_177
I do belive.Who knows mabye in the year 2550 covenent might take over the Earth.
You never know...

  • 09.30.2004 2:56 PM PDT

bah

And now for another insanely long, impossibly difficult to understand post from yours truly:Posted by: The Rip Saw
A very good question, and one that requires a very solid understanding of chemistry to fully understand. I could explain the basics to everyone, but you better know something about probability. In other words, if I flip a coin once every second for a billion years, what are the odds that 50 tails would come up in a row?*

A: The odds are infinitely large that it would happen at least once. The only thing that can make highly improbable events occur (such as life) is time.
*P.S. Before, I had the probability of heads not coming for an hour. Later that night, I decided that the odds of no heads for an hour might be larger than I initially thought. So I did the math, and came up with the odds of 3,600 heads would be 2 to the 3,600th power, or 2 multiplied by itself 3, 600 times. That number is 1 in 51048665143419455907108426515682819201016709639403 01617298884589783947025654989209426383867325613524 54335141683359776412745694691644608178180901054998 65533577414991902231364412516344895866529422745373 84864347088262714867022887786366083090924141383506 22943985297737700390054834889835184325930591704592 48537716325243702439276517438454887374168748058483 68486492650738383584061192790228759690288354373732 12391543001823461997525404290885893862505930807247 83123563630810183462765489190029175832481515325237 90105677074132985556300525623246994398997696641975 57634386075143421657370293876612416619863090162443 94647935816075219873537505955738878227931237058180 50746432686022104079817609890994191214546801218255 87201870338560834519404309249162089221030204672558 26830294891366037746825676802826326857577117644053 03795386293220314902546474539632698134739750566765 42709984831393225608187263351331448312883188148186 71848965493090617881400152310683414219625041202818 83042706210346559274047369836280866215728520613525 44785737393777019989488725899744965810617472190984 2993657489968700917291224846565376, or about 1 in 5x10^1,083.

That number is, by far and away by a factor larger than is fathomable, bigger than the number of atoms in the universe. Also, there are only 31,557,600,000,000,000 or 3.15576x10^16 seconds in a billion years. Obviously, that simply isn't enough time to make all tails for an hour occur. In fact, all heads would never occur ever in a billion years if there were a billion planets each with a billion people each with a billion coins. Now, take into consideration that the human genome has some 2.3 billion base pairs, and a base pair can be one of 4 different combinations. That means that the combination of base-pairs would be 4 to the 2.3 billionth power. That number is about 1x10^1,384,738,000. An insanely large number for sure. Have you ever seen a billion zeros? That's how many zeros that number would have, and then some! So insanely large that the computer program I am using simply cannot compute it. I had to use tricks of exponents to get that number. Obviously, the odds that the DNA pattern in your cells could randomly come about are impossible. But there's more to it than that. For each 3 base pairs code one of 20 proteins. Since there are 4^3 or 64 possible combinations for 3 base pairs, a lot of code can repeat itself and things still work. And takes into consideration how much of your code is redundant, or completely pointless, or repetitive, and the odds get a lot smaller, but are still impossible.

Only by starting small (like with tiny strands of RNA no longer than 30 base pairs long) do the odds become strongly in favor for life. The odds of a 30 pair RNA strand coming about are 4^30 or 1,152,921,504,606,846,976. That number may seem large, but take into consideration that there are 33,444,444,444,444,444,444,444 water molecules in one gram of water. Now imagine that water full of amino acids. There would be at least 334,444,444,444,444,444 amino acids per gram, so the odds now seem very favorable that RNA would assemble randomly. Once we have RNA floating around, we can almost throw out probability altogether since natural selection really kicks in. Of the 1x10^1,384,738,000 combinations of DNA possible in a human, only a tiny fraction of them would actually work at all. Natural selection would kill any non-working combination of genes, so now we're down to maybe 1,000,000,000,000,000 possible working combinations of DNA. That number is really tiny compared to the others I've been dishing out.

So one thing is for sure, a whole strand of DNA couldn't ever assemble randomly and make sense. Only through time and the insane number of molecules in a tiny little gram could life ever form. And once life finally formed out of nothing, the hard part was over. From there, it was all life doing what life does best: beating the odds and surviving. Life truly is magnificent.

[Edited on 10/1/2004 6:30:44 AM]

  • 10.01.2004 6:25 AM PDT
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i think there are aliens, but i don't think they visit earth. although the Roswell thing i believe has some truth to it. i don't really feel at liberty to discuss how much, however.

  • 10.01.2004 6:35 AM PDT
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Area 51

  • 10.01.2004 3:20 PM PDT
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Mickal Jackson the big -blam!- guy could he be an alien?

  • 10.01.2004 3:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: jb5432
i wouldnt be suprised if there were aliens i would like to see ones that are just fluffballs with arms and legs that would be so cool


Watch this... Disturbing...


On another note, I think there are other forms of intelligent life out there... But they won't come here. If they're smart, they won't -blam!- with the developement of other races outside their own. Not a very nice thing to do... we've seen it happen with different sects of humanity in history... things can get messed up pretty badly.

  • 10.02.2004 11:00 AM PDT
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HELL YEAH!!!!

  • 10.02.2004 11:16 AM PDT
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ok, think of it this way. There are billions of stars in the sky at night. Each star is a different sun. Each sun can house planets, and planets can house life. But the stars in the sky are stars just from the milky way, and the milky way isa a galaxy. From what us (humans) have seen, there are billions of galaxies in the universe, wich means quadtrillions (or more) stars, houseing an uncountable number of planets. So in my opinion (and my idea of common sence), there is life out there ("there" refering to ther universe).

  • 10.02.2004 11:23 AM PDT
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aliens do not exist, God created te world for humanss to live on, and sin came into teh world, and Jesus had to fix that and he did, God created all the universes, but he said that earth was the place were all the living things dwelled, and other facts as such, it gets really confusing and technical if i continue, but there really arent and more forms of live on other planets, not even cells Heaven is created for thr beings on earth (humans) and the universe is a gift almost, it serves the humans just like the earth does, and we serve God. I gotta say that this is an intresting thread, but no there arent any truusst meee

  • 10.02.2004 12:14 PM PDT

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I believe strongly that there is other intelligent life out there. Scientists have observed solar systems forming, and they all form the same way. All planets form in the same way as well. A solar system starts off as nebula, gravity pulls matter towards the centre, and as it pulls in the nebula flattens out. Eventually it is flat, like a CD disc. A star forms in the middle due to large amounts of pressure and heat, and planets form from chunks and debris from nebula colliding into each other. Earth formed this way, our oceans were once in fact a comet. Now if all systems and planets form similarly, wouldn't it suffice to say that there is the possiblity of other intelligent life out there?

Let me put it this way. If there was beach that stretched 2.5 times around the equator of the earth, every single grain of sand would be a planet that could have life. With those odds, there's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that at least one has intelligent life.

Why haven't they said hi yet then? Simply because they're so far away. It would take years for even a radio transmission to reach us, and even more for us to reply.

[Edited on 10/2/2004 12:28:15 PM]

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Posted by: mike p
aliens do not exist, God created te world for humanss to live on, and sin came into teh world, and Jesus had to fix that and he did, God created all the universes, but he said that earth was the place were all the living things dwelled, and other facts as such, it gets really confusing and technical if i continue, but there really arent and more forms of live on other planets, not even cells Heaven is created for thr beings on earth (humans) and the universe is a gift almost, it serves the humans just like the earth does, and we serve God. I gotta say that this is an intresting thread, but no there arent any truusst meee


How can one who does not believe in any god, such as I, trust your words, hmmmm? I say this: If we're truly alone in this universe, I'll shoot myself. I can't bare the thought of only being stuck with what we have and what we can create.

  • 10.02.2004 1:46 PM PDT
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Thanks for that, Rip. It truly is amazing when you work these things out.

  • 10.02.2004 2:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: mike p
aliens do not exist, God created te world for humanss to live on, and sin came into teh world, and Jesus had to fix that and he did, God created all the universes, but he said that earth was the place were all the living things dwelled, and other facts as such, it gets really confusing and technical if i continue, but there really arent and more forms of live on other planets, not even cells Heaven is created for thr beings on earth (humans) and the universe is a gift almost, it serves the humans just like the earth does, and we serve God. I gotta say that this is an intresting thread, but no there arent any truusst meee


How can one who does not believe in any god, such as I, trust your words, hmmmm? I say this: If we're truly alone in this universe, I'll shoot myself. I can't bare the thought of only being stuck with what we have and what we can create.


Why would god just create 1 world only with intelligent people?- that is so...., Weak...
I thought God was All powerful, able to create anything.
Why stop with one world????


Also note to people using the God theory, please don't start any flaming because of religions.
that also includes atheism because it is a set of beliefs itself too.

As for the earth being the place of all livings, I would like to find that in the scriptures- would you be kind eneugh to PM me with the reference? (book, chapter, verse and version would greatly help)

[Edited on 10/2/2004 3:38:50 PM]

  • 10.02.2004 3:33 PM PDT
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yep there is life on other planets

  • 10.03.2004 9:40 AM PDT

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