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Subject: One improvement that I would like to see- Like Button.

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

I would love to see this feature here, where people have the ability to like a post. That would make it much more enjoyable seeing that typical witty reply on the flood getting 50+ thumbs up.
I believe I have posted this before and almost everyone liked the idea. I don't see how it could harm the community, I think it would make it better. Then again, I am not in control of any websites or in any job related to PR.

What do you guys think?

  • 10.19.2012 10:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Use your head. The one on your shoulders. No really, just try. Please?

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Rep systems, even ones that are only positive, are rife with abuse.

  • 10.19.2012 10:35 PM PDT

While it is a good idea on paper, there is one issue. No one will ever see controversial topics.

  • 10.19.2012 10:40 PM PDT
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  • 10.19.2012 10:43 PM PDT

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Yeah, the thumbs-up system works pretty well on YouTube. It's not really Bungie's style so I doubt it would ever happen.

  • 10.19.2012 10:45 PM PDT

If done right, I'd like the idea.


  • 10.19.2012 10:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: philace117
Yeah, the thumbs-up system works pretty well on YouTube. It's not really Bungie's style so I doubt it would ever happen.
Oh, I know. It would make it more enjoyable for me, personally. I'm sure some others here would enjoy it too.

  • 10.19.2012 10:48 PM PDT

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I do not think that there should be a dislike button, though.

  • 10.19.2012 10:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: IslocStarkiller
I do not think that there should be a dislike button, though.
This is how I feel. There shouldn't be a dislike button because if you disagree with the person, you should respond to them explaining why you disagree with someone. It continues conversation.

A like button encourages you to not just empty quote a person, but to just show that you agree with the person, but a dislike button discourages you to explain why you disagree with the person.

  • 10.19.2012 10:57 PM PDT

Posted by: philace117
Yeah, the thumbs-up system works pretty well on YouTube. It's not really Bungie's style so I doubt it would ever happen.
Like buttons already exist on files.

  • 10.19.2012 11:00 PM PDT

‮‮Awesax

Posted by: spartanfornow
Rep systems, even ones that are only positive, are rife with abuse.
This is such a cop-out response... explain to me exactly how a *like* button would be just totally abused.

  • 10.19.2012 11:02 PM PDT

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This is horrible and a bad idea. I don't understand why people would want such an annoying system here.

I am also skeptical of this supposed unanimous approval of your idea. Every time I read one of these threads it gets shot down like it always does.

  • 10.19.2012 11:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Arbiter 739
This is horrible and a bad idea. I don't understand why people would want such an annoying system here.
How is it a bad idea? Explain your view on this topic.

  • 10.19.2012 11:05 PM PDT

‮‮Awesax

For the record I think like buttons are stupid anyway, but that may be a function of me giving legitimately not one -blam!- about anyone's opinion vov

  • 10.19.2012 11:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: philace117
Yeah, the thumbs-up system works pretty well on YouTube. It's not really Bungie's style so I doubt it would ever happen.
Like buttons already exist on files.

True, but screenshots are meant to be looked at and rated for their quality. While you can say the same for comments, I still doubt Bungie would implement it for the forums. But who knows? Maybe after we get information on their next game and site traffic increases they will implement a lot of new things into the site.

[Edited on 10.19.2012 11:14 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2012 11:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Arbiter 739
This is horrible and a bad idea. I don't understand why people would want such an annoying system here.

I am also skeptical of this supposed unanimous approval of your idea. Every time I read one of these threads it gets shot down like it always does.
It wouldn't change your forum-going-experience at all if you didn't like the idea to begin with. All you would have to do is ignore it.

  • 10.19.2012 11:15 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Posted by: colbyrules8
It wouldn't change your forum-going-experience at all if you didn't like the idea to begin with.
what?
All you would have to do is ignore it.lol!

  • 10.19.2012 11:26 PM PDT

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I don't like this, Waypoint has something similar to this and I highly dislike it. It looks so trashy and useless IMO.

[Edited on 10.19.2012 11:27 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2012 11:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Posted by: colbyrules8
It wouldn't change your forum-going-experience at all if you didn't like the idea to begin with.
what?
All you would have to do is ignore it.lol!
Please elaborate.

Is it the fact that it appears to be a contradiction?

[Edited on 10.19.2012 11:30 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2012 11:29 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Posted by: colbyrules8
nothing is different so long as you ignore everything that is different
no it's genius

  • 10.19.2012 11:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Verachi
I don't like this, Waypoint has something similar to this and I highly dislike it. It looks so trashy and useless IMO.
I agree that it looks disgusting, but if it came in a bundle with an ignore function, then I could live with it.

  • 10.19.2012 11:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Posted by: colbyrules8
nothing is different so long as you ignore everything that is different
no it's genius
That's much different than what I said . I said ," It wouldn't change your forum-going-experience"

Please tell me, how will a little bar at the bottom of a post with a number and a thumb change your experience here if you choose to ignore it?

Please be logical.

  • 10.19.2012 11:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: colbyrules8
That's much different than what I said . I said ," It wouldn't change your forum-going-experience"

Please tell me, how will a little bar at the bottom of a post with a number and a thumb change your experience here if you choose to ignore it?

Please be logical.
It will change it by adding a little bar at the bottom of a post with a number and a thumb. Are the people who are supposed to ignore it put tape on their screen and scroll perfectly so that it gets covered up?

  • 10.19.2012 11:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: colbyrules8
That's much different than what I said . I said ," It wouldn't change your forum-going-experience"

Please tell me, how will a little bar at the bottom of a post with a number and a thumb change your experience here if you choose to ignore it?

Please be logical.
It will change it by adding a little bar at the bottom of a post with a number and a thumb. Are the people who are supposed to ignore it put tape on their screen and scroll perfectly so that it gets covered up?
It would literally be something around the size of "2@" on the bottom of a post. Is that seriously enough to hinder your experience here?

  • 10.19.2012 11:41 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Posted by: colbyrules8
Please be logical.

NO U

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Despite the status quo bias most users of this site hold to anything they can perceive as "social-networking" or, much to the disdain of their trademark, "Facebook", there are in fact a wealth of perfectly logical reasons for opposing the implementation of a like/dislike system in the forums.

The primary issue concerning a like/dislike system is that it ultimately contributes nothing to discussion. What a like/dislike system does do is alter one's perception of a post. Fundamentally, it does not change the content of the post, but rather creates a bias in the reader for or against it. Rather than assessing the post yourself, you are already lead to believe that a post is good or bad, valid or otherwise. If one were truly to desire to improve discussion, they would seek to remove preconceived biases, not propagate more of them.

The second most bothering fault in a like/dislike system is it's usability. All a user has to do to back or fully discredit is click a button. In a real discussion, opinions must be backed with reasoning and argument. There must be an explanation to why something is true or false. If a person agrees with someone, it contributes nothing to a discussion, and thus has no place in it. A like/dislike system requires no argument and no reasoning. Helpful posts with developed points and argument can be completely invalidated by several dumb people clicking a button. Likewise, misconceptions can be promoted by countless masses even, and even if they are false, the majority rules.

This addresses the first of many fallacies inherent in a like/dislike system: the completely fallacious belief that the majority is correct. I can bore you to death with all the common fallacies and cognitive biases that will be promoted with such a system, but to be honest it's 6:30am and I'm rather tired. Anyone who is capable of reading knows that users of the Community Forum widely succumb to bandwagons, group mindsets, faulty axioms, and a variety of other 'circle-jerk' faults in reason. Popularity should not dictate the truth of a matter. To take these problems, and legitimize and promote them in a shiny new forum feature would simply make these problems worse.

Nothing brings me greater joy than reading what people have to say on a matter. While not everyone enjoys reading, there is always something to be gained from taking all users opinions on a matter into account, be it knowledge or simply perspective of a user. With a like/dislike system, users would be predisposed to read liked posts, and likely disregard unliked posts. In this matter, posts will not be read, information could be overlooked, and potential insight could be lost. It is nice to trust a system that could promote helpful ideas, but if everyone is focused on the promoted ideas, users will likely not double-check that an unliked post is invalid or holding potentially useful information. If a user does not wish to read every post, I would not like to install a feature that would facilitate their laziness.

The craziest thing is that a like/dislike system is not dictated by rules such as "is this point valid?" or "is this worth reading?". It is only restricted to whether you like or dislike it. While some may aspire to have a system that can find and emphasize valid posts, ultimately it will only show which posts users enjoy reading. This may deter completely valid posts for insulting users, just as it may promote useless posts because they are 'cool'. From this, an even larger problem can be seen, not just for those opposed, but also for those who would like this system. The issue is that not everyone shares the same opinion. People like different things. What the majority of users like, you may not, and the system be utterly useless. This system only works if your interests are aligned with the majority. If there is not a majority, there will only be contrasting opinions to which posts will be in a constant struggle of equilibrium between those who like and dislike a certain post. Clearly people who like a like/dislike system would not find my opinions and logic appealing, and would not enjoy them promoted.

Finally, I wish to address a viewpoint that is opposed to my own; that is to say, those who wish to see this system in place. I am disappointed in the lack of well-reasoned logic in favor of such a system. Most arguments I have seen are, at their roots, dependent on promoting self-serving laziness, or are ultimately built upon fallacy. What is even more upsetting is users who argue "it would be nice for me to like this post", or simply want something without providing adequate reasoning aside from "+1".

There is an opinion that instituting a like/dislike system would help to resolve spam posts that simply quote and agree with a post. This opinion is wrong. Better said, opinions cannot be valid or invalid; however, the logic behind this belief is in fact completely invalid. While such useless agreement posts would disappear as posts, they would not in fact be removed, but rather take a new form. Those that argue for progress should damned well know that hiding a problem does not solve it.

But taking useless agreement posts and forming them into likes/dislikes does not hide them. Such an act would empower and promote this spam, giving it an appealing form and legitimizing it as a valid and non-spam part of the forums. What is even worse is that such spamy agreement posts are now indistinguishable from "likes" that have been clicked for completely valid and logical reasons.

  • 10.19.2012 11:41 PM PDT