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Subject: One improvement that I would like to see- Like Button.

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: colbyrules8
It would literally be something around the size of "2@" on the bottom of a post. Is that seriously enough to hinder your experience here?
Not to me, but to some people, yes. A better argument would be to tell the people complaining to suck it up and get over it. You can just ignore it is a terrible argument against people who don't like it. I could add a taco to the bottom corner of the screen, would your eyes automatically avoid the new information that is on the screen?

tl;dr Yes, it is an eye-sore to some people.

Edit: duck, it's k I got dis.

[Edited on 10.19.2012 11:47 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2012 11:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
Is that seriously enough to hinder your experience here?

Yes......If I have an ignore feature/toggle it off option for this then I don't care if it's implemented or not.

  • 10.19.2012 11:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Posted by: colbyrules8
Please be logical.

NO U

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Despite the status quo bias most users of this site hold to anything they can perceive as "social-networking" or, much to the disdain of their trademark, "Facebook", there are in fact a wealth of perfectly logical reasons for opposing the implementation of a like/dislike system in the forums.

The primary issue concerning a like/dislike system is that it ultimately contributes nothing to discussion. What a like/dislike system does do is alter one's perception of a post. Fundamentally, it does not change the content of the post, but rather creates a bias in the reader for or against it. Rather than assessing the post yourself, you are already lead to believe that a post is good or bad, valid or otherwise. If one were truly to desire to improve discussion, they would seek to remove preconceived biases, not propagate more of them.

The second most bothering fault in a like/dislike system is it's usability. All a user has to do to back or fully discredit is click a button. In a real discussion, opinions must be backed with reasoning and argument. There must be an explanation to why something is true or false. If a person agrees with someone, it contributes nothing to a discussion, and thus has no place in it. A like/dislike system requires no argument and no reasoning. Helpful posts with developed points and argument can be completely invalidated by several dumb people clicking a button. Likewise, misconceptions can be promoted by countless masses even, and even if they are false, the majority rules.

This addresses the first of many fallacies inherent in a like/dislike system: the completely fallacious belief that the majority is correct. I can bore you to death with all the common fallacies and cognitive biases that will be promoted with such a system, but to be honest it's 6:30am and I'm rather tired. Anyone who is capable of reading knows that users of the Community Forum widely succumb to bandwagons, group mindsets, faulty axioms, and a variety of other 'circle-jerk' faults in reason. Popularity should not dictate the truth of a matter. To take these problems, and legitimize and promote them in a shiny new forum feature would simply make these problems worse.

Nothing brings me greater joy than reading what people have to say on a matter. While not everyone enjoys reading, there is always something to be gained from taking all users opinions on a matter into account, be it knowledge or simply perspective of a user. With a like/dislike system, users would be predisposed to read liked posts, and likely disregard unliked posts. In this matter, posts will not be read, information could be overlooked, and potential insight could be lost. It is nice to trust a system that could promote helpful ideas, but if everyone is focused on the promoted ideas, users will likely not double-check that an unliked post is invalid or holding potentially useful information. If a user does not wish to read every post, I would not like to install a feature that would facilitate their laziness.

The craziest thing is that a like/dislike system is not dictated by rules such as "is this point valid?" or "is this worth reading?". It is only restricted to whether you like or dislike it. While some may aspire to have a system that can find and emphasize valid posts, ultimately it will only show which posts users enjoy reading. This may deter completely valid posts for insulting users, just as it may promote useless posts because they are 'cool'. From this, an even larger problem can be seen, not just for those opposed, but also for those who would like this system. The issue is that not everyone shares the same opinion. People like different things. What the majority of users like, you may not, and the system be utterly useless. This system only works if your interests are aligned with the majority. If there is not a majority, there will only be contrasting opinions to which posts will be in a constant struggle of equilibrium between those who like and dislike a certain post. Clearly people who like a like/dislike system would not find my opinions and logic appealing, and would not enjoy them promoted.

Finally, I wish to address a viewpoint that is opposed to my own; that is to say, those who wish to see this system in place. I am disappointed in the lack of well-reasoned logic in favor of such a system. Most arguments I have seen are, at their roots, dependent on promoting self-serving laziness, or are ultimately built upon fallacy. What is even more upsetting is users who argue "it would be nice for me to like this post", or simply want something without providing adequate reasoning aside from "+1".

There is an opinion that instituting a like/dislike system would help to resolve spam posts that simply quote and agree with a post. This opinion is wrong. Better said, opinions cannot be valid or invalid; however, the logic behind this belief is in fact completely invalid. While such useless agreement posts would disappear as posts, they would not in fact be removed, but rather take a new form. Those that argue for progress should damned well know that hiding a problem does not solve it.

But taking useless agreement posts and forming them into likes/dislikes does not hide them. Such an act would empower and promote this spam, giving it an appealing form and legitimizing it as a valid and non-spam part of the forums. What is even worse is that such spamy agreement posts are now indistinguishable from "likes" that have been clicked for completely valid and logical reasons.
So, people's tendencies can be blamed on something else. Sounds just like our generation, let's blame something else.

I still love the idea. Bungie, overall, is quite a mature community. That is, comparing it to other major forum websites out there.

It's a wonderful argument though, and many of the points are valid.

[Edited on 10.19.2012 11:52 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2012 11:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: colbyrules8
It would literally be something around the size of "2@" on the bottom of a post. Is that seriously enough to hinder your experience here?
Not to me, but to some people, yes. A better argument would be to tell the people complaining to suck it up and get over it. You can just ignore it is a terrible argument against people who don't like it. I could add a taco to the bottom corner of the screen, would your eyes automatically avoid the new information that is on the screen?

tl;dr Yes, it is an eye-sore to some people.

Edit: duck, it's k I got dis.
True, but the taco doesn't serve a purpose to anyone, the thumbs up portion does. That's just to point out a little hole in your analogy.

  • 10.19.2012 11:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
So, people's tendencies can be blamed on something else. Sounds just like our generation, let's blame something else.

I still love the idea. Bungie, overall, is quite a mature community. That is, comparing it to other major forum websites out there.
Colby, I know it's asking you a lot to bother reading a copy-pasta before trying to argue it, but to be perfectly honest, if you want a genuine rebuttal, you need to justify your reasoning other than "I love the idea".

Your response has nothing to do with the argument I posted.

  • 10.19.2012 11:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: colbyrules8
True, but the taco doesn't serve a purpose to anyone, the thumbs up portion does. That's just to point out a little hole in your analogy.
The analogy had nothing to do with purposefulness, it had to do with the ability to ignore.

  • 10.19.2012 11:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Posted by: colbyrules8
So, people's tendencies can be blamed on something else. Sounds just like our generation, let's blame something else.

I still love the idea. Bungie, overall, is quite a mature community. That is, comparing it to other major forum websites out there.
Colby, I know it's asking you a lot to bother reading a copy-pasta before trying to argue it, but to be perfectly honest, if you want a genuine rebuttal, you need to justify your reasoning other than "I love the idea".

Your response has nothing to do with the argument I posted.
I did read it, it was wonderfully laid out. I did reply , but it was nothing compared to that copy-pasta you put up. I just simply put it out there that our generation tends to put the blame on something else. ( The like button ruining the forum when it is us that is ruining it by abusing it). The like button comes down to your opinion and your opinion alone. I would like it, if they implemented it, you wouldn't , that's it.

  • 10.20.2012 1:04 AM PDT

Codeword=Facebook.

Initiate the Cole Protocol!

  • 10.20.2012 1:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Grimaldus
Codeword=Facebook.

Initiate the Cole Protocol!
-_- Many forums have a like, well, thumbs up button.

  • 10.20.2012 1:11 AM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Posted by: colbyrules8
The like button comes down to your opinion and your opinion alone. I would like it, if they implemented it, you wouldn't , that's it.
There's a lot of logic you're not seeing here.

forgive this edit but it's late
you can say the issue of adding a like system comes down to opinion alone, but clearly I outlined the fact that the feature is logically unnecessary as it contributes nothing to discussion and only adds preconceived bias to posts. In addition to the majority fallacy, there are a number of fundamental faults to the logic of introducing such a feature. It will reduce down justification and reasoning to a simple click, and it will undoubtedly reflect upon posts.

So far, if you believe this matter honestly comes down to opinion on what would be beneficial to discussion, it's mainly because your argument solely consists of an opinion, "I would like it". You can claim this argument comes down to opinion, but that's your only escape seeing as all opposition is using logic against your opinion. Do not forget that without factual basis in reasoning, your opinion is as good as wrong.

[Edited on 10.20.2012 1:58 AM PDT]

  • 10.20.2012 1:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
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This thread is awesome! Neither I, nor any of my fellow members, could have ever possible conceived such an immaculate concept! It's just such an inspired and original idea! We NEED a Like button!

This will revolutionize the internet as we know it! With a single click other members will be able to see that we like their posts -- that they are noticed and respected... or that we find their posts amusing. Gone will be the days of the quote argument: quote on top? quote on bottom? It doesn't matter anymore! You don't even need to RESPOND!!! Just click "Like".

You, sir. Are a genius... an innovative, technological mastermind.



Okay, I'm done.

dude. This has been suggested countless numbers of time ever since Facebook implemented the feature. It's not going to happen. It doesn't need to happen. Do you know what "Like" means on facebook? It means, "I am interested in what you have posted, but not so much as to invest 10 seconds of my time to writing a response."

There's no reason for it to be here. If you like something that's posted, submit a reply with your opinions. Believe it or not, the mods don't ban you for posting "lol", "omg too funny", or "I completely agree." as a response to a thread.

  • 10.20.2012 1:53 AM PDT

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Poke > Like.

  • 10.20.2012 2:45 AM PDT

Ugh...

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Posted by: ash55
Poke > Like.
You like me? :') Finally.

  • 10.20.2012 3:45 AM PDT

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I would like to see a Like button.

  • 10.20.2012 6:59 AM PDT

If we really had to have some kind of "like" system I would prefer something like the one Rooster Teeth uses on their forums.

  • 10.20.2012 7:53 AM PDT
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No, this idea is stupid.

  • 10.20.2012 8:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: doctor woot
how the hell did you manage to join the site before the internet existed
did you submit your application by mail

I like the idea in every forum but the community's. It would benefit greater in the flood and gallery for obv reasons.

  • 10.20.2012 8:48 AM PDT

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I like.

  • 10.20.2012 8:50 AM PDT

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The only reason there are "Like" buttons on web sites is so that they can sell that info to advertisers. Unless Bungie plans on running AD's then I think it would be a useless feature and the work to put it in could be spent on better things.

  • 10.20.2012 8:54 AM PDT

The like button for photos was a nice addition, I thought. Never really liked the idea for threads.

  • 10.20.2012 9:58 AM PDT

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I would highly dislike a like button. In my opinion it just takes away from forums. If we still had the com chatter then a like button would be fine on there.

  • 10.20.2012 10:03 AM PDT

The posts bearing the lone word "like" show how lame it would be in my eyes. I couldn't see it doing anything but taking away from discussion because it sure as hell wouldn't contribute to it.

  • 10.20.2012 11:11 AM PDT
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Hmm, a like button...
I approve, it'd help keep the troll threads lower down; Or help people notice new threads.

Is something similar to this what you had in mind, OP?

  • 10.20.2012 11:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
The primary issue concerning a like/dislike system is that it ultimately contributes nothing to discussion. What a like/dislike system does do is alter one's perception of a post. Fundamentally, it does not change the content of the post, but rather creates a bias in the reader for or against it. Rather than assessing the post yourself, you are already lead to believe that a post is good or bad, valid or otherwise. If one were truly to desire to improve discussion, they would seek to remove preconceived biases, not propagate more of them.
This is exactly the reason that a like button would not improve the forums. Sites like Reddit and Facebook are more of a "news" website. They benefit from like buttons because generally posts with more likes are better content, are then placed closer to the "frontpage" of the site, and ultimately seen by more people. The heart of Bungie.net is the discussion. To bump a thread to the top of the page someone needs to post. The posts contribute to the discussion while a like button does not.

  • 10.20.2012 12:53 PM PDT

I like this idea.

  • 10.20.2012 12:58 PM PDT