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Posted by: twinkiemaker
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Hmmm I am intrigued. Do they still make crappy chinese toys?


The topic is about the Forerunner possibly being Chinese Jews. The question should be whether or not they made crappy toys 100,000 years ago.

Please stay on topic.

No, the topic is about the theory I posted on the front page. A couple idiots and other guys trying to be "cool" came in and tried to hijack the thread talking about Chinese Jews. This is nothing about Chinese Jews, enough with them already. For God's sake, you guys need to grow up and quit acting like immature 12 year-olds. Wait, what am I saying? You guys are immature 12 year-olds.

  • 06.28.2006 10:15 AM PDT

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Because the Forerunners predate the beginnings of Judaism or the first artifacts of the Chinese culture. And it's the year 2552 idiot, that's only 546 years from now. Christianity has been around for a little less than 2,000 years. So I don't think that another 500 years would make them think "the beginning of time."


Some would argue that christianity has been around for 7,000 years, but whatever. I'd hate to interject some higher thought into this dismal thread.

Christianity derrived from Christ. It was actually a sect of Judaism before it split off and became it's own religion after the crucifixion.


I don't want to get into this argument with you so stop flame baiting me.

How am I baiting you? You offered a criticism of my theory so I offer a cross examination. Is that baiting?


Religion is an issue that shouldn't be discussed on these boards.

He asked me for proof and I gave it. It just happened to come in the form of religion.

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Master Fox that IS a good theory and you HAVE put thought into it (sorry if I'm just spamming this thread) but I think we should look at the possibility of Humans actually being Forerunners. I think in some respects yours is very true ( the humans were in the Ark the protect them) but instead of them being put they they went there themselves.

  • 06.28.2006 10:24 AM PDT

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That could be. I don't necessarily think humanity went in there because they knew what was happening. If my theory is true, they would see the Forerunners as gods and not as technologically superior because they would really have no knowledge of that technology. So if their gods told them to go to the Ark, they would definitely go to the ark.

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Ok I posted this earlier just read it and see what you think...:

Ok everyone has their own theory on the forerunners and mine is probably the same as a few others. I think the humans are forerunners. They designed the Halo rings to destroy that flood. I think thats why it seems only then can activate them. (Tartarus makes Miranda activate one and Guilty Spark tries to get the Master Chief do another) Also Guilty Spark says "why would you not do what you have already done" , some people take this literally as meaning MC but I think he means "you" in a very general sense meaning humans.
Also he is called a Reclaimer , and a Reclaimer is sort machine that sorts things that you want from what you don't so perhaps it could mean he sorts the floor from the humans (who built the Ark to protect themselves.
Another reason is what Guilty Spark says when Cortona tells MC what the rings really do which was something like "but you knew all that" I think he meant that because he was a human he would know what the rings did seeing as he built them.

Any comments would be appreciated.

  • 06.28.2006 10:36 AM PDT

Down, down to hell and say that I sent you there...

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You Are an Idiot

Posted by: Ye Olde Knight
Ok I posted this earlier just read it and see what you think...:

Ok everyone has their own theory on the forerunners and mine is probably the same as a few others. I think the humans are forerunners. They designed the Halo rings to destroy that flood. I think thats why it seems only then can activate them. (Tartarus makes Miranda activate one and Guilty Spark tries to get the Master Chief do another) Also Guilty Spark says "why would you not do what you have already done" , some people take this literally as meaning MC but I think he means "you" in a very general sense meaning humans.
Also he is called a Reclaimer , and a Reclaimer is sort machine that sorts things that you want from what you don't so perhaps it could mean he sorts the floor from the humans (who built the Ark to protect themselves.
Another reason is what Guilty Spark says when Cortona tells MC what the rings really do which was something like "but you knew all that" I think he meant that because he was a human he would know what the rings did seeing as he built them.

Any comments would be appreciated.

It could be true. But that could also fit into my theory as well. If the Forerunner helped humanity, the monitor might think that humanity discovered the knowledge of the Forerunner. But I just can't think that the Forerunner are humans. Especially if they destroyed themselves by the rings like the Monitors say.

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Mmmm...That could work but discovering the knowledge of the Forerunners doesn't mean they can USE it. I'm sure a device so powerful would be made only to be used by the creators. And plus destroyed things aren't always what they seem...

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Posted by: Master Fox
That could be. I don't necessarily think humanity went in there because they knew what was happening. If my theory is true, they would see the Forerunners as gods and not as technologically superior because they would really have no knowledge of that technology. So if their gods told them to go to the Ark, they would definitely go to the ark.


I just wanna ask...am i the only one seeing a Noah conection. "God" tells him, not to BUILD the ark, but ENTER the ark, and over 100s of years, the story just got, jumbled a little. just a thought

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Posted by: Master Fox
Posted by: twinkiemaker
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Hmmm I am intrigued. Do they still make crappy chinese toys?


The topic is about the Forerunner possibly being Chinese Jews. The question should be whether or not they made crappy toys 100,000 years ago.

Please stay on topic.

No, the topic is about the theory I posted on the front page. A couple idiots and other guys trying to be "cool" came in and tried to hijack the thread talking about Chinese Jews. This is nothing about Chinese Jews, enough with them already. For God's sake, you guys need to grow up and quit acting like immature 12 year-olds. Wait, what am I saying? You guys are immature 12 year-olds.


now who's missing the point? we're not waxing philisophic about Chinese Jews in general. this thread is about the Chinese origins and Jewish beliefs of the forerunners. however, this fox character seems to think that the Chinese are too feeble-minded and the Jews too un-Christian to have accomplished what the forerunners did.

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That could be. I don't necessarily think humanity went in there because they knew what was happening. If my theory is true, they would see the Forerunners as gods and not as technologically superior because they would really have no knowledge of that technology. So if their gods told them to go to the Ark, they would definitely go to the ark.


I just wanna ask...am i the only one seeing a Noah conection. "God" tells him, not to BUILD the ark, but ENTER the ark, and over 100s of years, the story just got, jumbled a little. just a thought


exactly. and everyone knows that noah=old testament=jewish. also, it is well known that "Sinai" is a corruption of "Sayonara" and refers to the terminus of the flood period in... Chinese.

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lets just figuer it out when the games is on the shelves.

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Posted by: Al Green
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Posted by: xion
Posted by: Master Fox
That could be. I don't necessarily think humanity went in there because they knew what was happening. If my theory is true, they would see the Forerunners as gods and not as technologically superior because they would really have no knowledge of that technology. So if their gods told them to go to the Ark, they would definitely go to the ark.


I just wanna ask...am i the only one seeing a Noah conection. "God" tells him, not to BUILD the ark, but ENTER the ark, and over 100s of years, the story just got, jumbled a little. just a thought


exactly. and everyone knows that noah=old testament=jewish. also, it is well known that "Sinai" is a corruption of "Sayonara" and refers to the terminus of the flood period in... Chinese.


Woah, looks like someone got knowledge pwned.


yup. looks like Fox Mulder's been trapped by his own web of lies and nonsequiturs.

  • 06.28.2006 11:51 AM PDT

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Yes, I know this forum is getting flooded by these things, but I figured I would post mine...as it just came to me.

Recently, I watched 2001: A Space Odyssey and read the book as well. And I got to thinking about some of the similarities between that and what could actually happen in Halo. 343 Guilty Spark calls Master Chief a reclaimer. Now that doesn't necessarily mean he's a Forerunner or humanity is the decendants of the Forerunners. I think that humanity as actually a Forerunner experiment.

Perhaps, somewhere in the history of time, the Forerunners used our planet as some kind of sanctuary or getaway, so to speak. They might have even used it as a laboratory. I don't know, but I'm thinking that the Forerunners are responsible for the evolution of humanity. Whether it had to do with the Flood or not, the Forerunners evolved humanity and we treated them as gods. That could be the reason why the ruins on Delta Halo look eerily similar to different ruins here on Earth.

So when the Forerunners started losing the battle against the Flood, they decided they would fire off the rings. And they took humanity, which probably wasn't but maybe a couple million, if that, and put them into the Ark. After the Flood was gone, humanity came out of the Ark and ventured off into the wilderness. Well you notice that all of the lush gardens and forests surrounding the object. Whether it's the Ark itself or not, perhaps that is what we could call the Garden of Eden?

And eventually, for whatever reasons, humanity lost the knowledge of the Ark but it was still in our minds, somewhere sublemenally. And that's how Chief was able to activate all of the different mechanisms and machines on Halo. Would also explain why we were called the reclaimers. The Forerunners knew eventually that humans would discover space travel and would eventually look to the stars.


i more or less agree w/ all that

but where do you think the flood came from?

Well if my theory is true, which I'm not sure either way, they could be a biproduct or a failed experiment. If the Forerunners were experimenting with creating life or pushing the envelope of evolution for whatever means, the Flood might have been a failed try and humanity could be their successors.


or maybe its the other way around, maybe humanity was first but the foreruners wanted them to be stronger and they triend something along the lines of the SPARTAN-II projectbut it failed and created the flood

  • 06.28.2006 11:57 AM PDT

"Thou shalt not playith Halo and then complainith about thy gameplay on the forums."

Halo takes no skill? Get real. And get over yourself.

ok, i just looked at this, and i just wanted to say something.

i respect Master Fox's theory, but from wat i have heard, it is inaccurate. The Forerunners could have been human (in fact, most likely were human). if u recall to Halo's level Two Betrayals, 343 Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief when he refuses to activate Halo, "Why would u hesitate to do wat u have already done?" this indicates that the Forerunnere who activated the ring was in some way the Master Chief's ancestor. this part is supported when 343 Guilty Spark says "Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would i do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

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Posted by: KoinOperatedBoy
Posted by: Master Fox
Posted by: D0K74 J0N35
Posted by: Master Fox
I should have known not to post a semi-intelligence analysis on these boards.


are you saying jews and the chinese are unintelligent?

No, I'm saying that I put a lot of time into that theory and wrote it out. And the only responses I get are from idiots like you talking about Jews and Chinese. If you're only on here talking to listen to yourself talk, go somewhere else.


What are you doing Dave?


Lol that totally just ruined a good movie.

  • 06.28.2006 12:22 PM PDT
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Now, about that theory...

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Posted by: Ye Olde Knight
Ok I posted this earlier just read it and see what you think...:

Ok everyone has their own theory on the forerunners and mine is probably the same as a few others. I think the humans are forerunners. They designed the Halo rings to destroy that flood. I think thats why it seems only then can activate them. (Tartarus makes Miranda activate one and Guilty Spark tries to get the Master Chief do another) Also Guilty Spark says "why would you not do what you have already done" , some people take this literally as meaning MC but I think he means "you" in a very general sense meaning humans.
Also he is called a Reclaimer , and a Reclaimer is sort machine that sorts things that you want from what you don't so perhaps it could mean he sorts the floor from the humans (who built the Ark to protect themselves.
Another reason is what Guilty Spark says when Cortona tells MC what the rings really do which was something like "but you knew all that" I think he meant that because he was a human he would know what the rings did seeing as he built them.

Any comments would be appreciated.


Or humans could have been created by the forerunner have you thought about that. Ive already posted it somewhere cant be bothered to repeat my whole post.

  • 06.28.2006 1:13 PM PDT

Down, down to hell and say that I sent you there...

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You Are an Idiot

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Posted by: Ye Olde Knight
Ok I posted this earlier just read it and see what you think...:

Ok everyone has their own theory on the forerunners and mine is probably the same as a few others. I think the humans are forerunners. They designed the Halo rings to destroy that flood. I think thats why it seems only then can activate them. (Tartarus makes Miranda activate one and Guilty Spark tries to get the Master Chief do another) Also Guilty Spark says "why would you not do what you have already done" , some people take this literally as meaning MC but I think he means "you" in a very general sense meaning humans.
Also he is called a Reclaimer , and a Reclaimer is sort machine that sorts things that you want from what you don't so perhaps it could mean he sorts the floor from the humans (who built the Ark to protect themselves.
Another reason is what Guilty Spark says when Cortona tells MC what the rings really do which was something like "but you knew all that" I think he meant that because he was a human he would know what the rings did seeing as he built them.

Any comments would be appreciated.


Or humans could have been created by the forerunner have you thought about that. Ive already posted it somewhere cant be bothered to repeat my whole post.

Don't attack other people's theories unless they deal with a Chinese Jew.

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Posted by: Red Drunkard
ok, i just looked at this, and i just wanted to say something.

i respect Master Fox's theory, but from wat i have heard, it is inaccurate. The Forerunners could have been human (in fact, most likely were human). if u recall to Halo's level Two Betrayals, 343 Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief when he refuses to activate Halo, "Why would u hesitate to do wat u have already done?" this indicates that the Forerunnere who activated the ring was in some way the Master Chief's ancestor. this part is supported when 343 Guilty Spark says "Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would i do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."


Maybe the Forerunners created humans and ordered them to activate the halo network, and the Forerunners fled to their sanctuary which was possibly several thousand lightyears away or something. I dunno, I guess we'll just have to wait for the game itself or maybe the halo graphic novel will tell us something i mean has been in production since halo 2 hit the shelves.
This topic is also the funniest thing ive read all day Im loving the theory about the Forerunners being Chinese Jews. Unquestionable.

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well, i don't think humanity was made by the forrunners, but were the descendants of the forrunners

think about it, if the Frunners made the flood, and it was such a failure, so bad, in fact that it caused the end of them (sort of). Would they experiment AGAIN to try and make humans? i don't think they would have taken the chance

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Posted by: Al Green
Posted by: Master Fox
Don't attack other people's theories unless they deal with a Chinese Jew.


Wow...you're racist.

He may be a Chinese Jew himself. Maybe this is why this theory offends him so much.

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Thats a really good theory. I think it should happen.

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