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Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.


I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.

  • 10.24.2012 1:28 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.


I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.


"Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy."

He does not think too highly of us. Also seems to think he still upholds the Mantle.

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This was interesting to me too... I have no idea what to expect.

  • 10.24.2012 6:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
"Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy."

He does not think too highly of us. Also seems to think he still upholds the Mantle.
Haha, the Didact is evil and he is so on his own merit, thought as much... *Mutters* Hope there's more to the story than that.

  • 10.24.2012 6:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.


I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.



Wow, that will be amazing ! I wish it would go that way.

  • 10.24.2012 6:39 AM PDT

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I'm curious to know why there still is spectulation on who the "Ancient Evil" is? Isn't it just the Didact, as simple/shallow as that, doesn't everything points towards it?

"And so you come at last.. We are Forerunner, guardians of all that exists.. Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy.. The Forerunners have returned." ~ The Didact (Ur).

EDIT: it's even written "An ancient hatred.. Confined for millenia.. Unleashed in a moment.. (all in caps) when the camera pans around his cryptum.

He's the one that awakens when his cryptum is opened, and all texts and messages imply that whatever it is that is awakened is the Ancient Evil. What more is there, a wish that it wasn't as simple as that, something about him just being a pawn? Why does that have to be the case? Couldn't the Gravemind and Precursors just another threat, one saved for the five and six?

[Edited on 10.24.2012 7:05 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 6:58 AM PDT

Didact is the ancient evil but frankie always played around the fact that he was the ancient evil saying there was worse but there isnt in halo 4. silentium would explain why the didact is the ancient evil. a loose explanation is given in the game

  • 10.24.2012 11:36 AM PDT


Posted by: ryan299
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Stop giving out leaked spoilers.

  • 10.24.2012 12:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.

I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.

Humanity suddenly being worthy of condemnation, and somehow being considered "evil", is a tonal shift that would break most Halo fans immersion in the story (And it's a completely retarded trope anyway). Humanity has just emerged from a war, not caused by itself, that nearly wiped it out. I don't think most people are going to care about these accusations of Humanity being a danger, or see any of them, when the Human-Covenant war killed billions of Humans. I mean if Humanity is evil then the Covenant, particularly the Elites, are Satan incarnate. It would be the Covenant getting away with genocide whilst Humanity should be wiped out for...vague reasons that are of little to no relevance. Why should anyone care? Is the Human-Covenant war and its impact suddenly irrelevant?

It makes the Forerunner look extremely retarded too. Is there no one in the Halo universe capable of any sort of rational thought? Is there no one capable of even understanding the concept of diversity? No one who does't think that the idea of a whole species of individuals being "evil" is an okay idea to have? It's all "Species X versus Species Y"; species X is A and Species Y is B.

You can caricature Humanity all you want and have it do completely retarded evil -blam!- (Like colonise Sanghelios. To say that this is impractical is an understatement) but then you simply create a gulf between the player and the story where they can't give a damn about Humanity, because it isn't Humanity. It's a strawman; a completely unlikeable and unrelatable strawman that really isn't worth saving.

  • 10.24.2012 1:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.


I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.


"Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy."

He does not think too highly of us. Also seems to think he still upholds the Mantle.
Well, damn, watching that trailer makes me even more impaitient to play Halo 4, why did you have to do that. Its like waiting for christmas, and when your'e just about there, its like a slow agonizing death.

But I'm still confused as to 2 things.

1. are the promeatheans, the robot things with holographic skulls, are they really the Forerunners, or are they just their creations doing their bidding?


2. Why would he say that humans are the greatest threat in the galaxy, when that clearly was the Flood, as he saw in our time, and in his time. Not to mention, the only reason for the old Forerunner-Human war, was the Flood, it was en-roaching upon their worlds, and they had to move into Forerunner held space for that reason.




Also, what if the ancient evil isn't the Primordial (I hope it is), or the Didact (please no), but a Faber, the Master Builder? He was (SPOILERS) on trial at the end Cryptum when Menadict Bias assaults the capital, so we don't know what happend to him, he could have died, or escaped the blast. He obviously know he despises Humanity, so he could possibly be the Antagonist.

[Edited on 10.24.2012 1:29 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 1:23 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Didact has the common sense of a baboon.

  • 10.24.2012 1:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ferrrari
Didact has the common sense of a baboon.

I don't think so.
Imagine you as a Didact.
You are just freed from your slumber, you encounter human(again), ofcurse the thing you do first is observe and go through their files(just like 343gs at CE), and you suddenly find Honey Boo Boo latest season on one of the servers, in Didacts place i would be frightened and would want to send such a hell spawn to oblivion.

[Edited on 10.24.2012 1:34 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 1:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.


I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.


"Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy."

He does not think too highly of us. Also seems to think he still upholds the Mantle.
Well, damn, watching that trailer makes me even more impaitient to play Halo 4, why did you have to do that. Its like waiting for christmas, and when your'e just about there, its like a slow agonizing death.

But I'm still confused as to 2 things.

1. are the promeatheans, the robot things with holographic skulls, are they really the Forerunners, or are they just their creations doing their bidding?


2. Why would he say that humans are the greatest threat in the galaxy, when that clearly was the Flood, as he saw in our time, and in his time. Not to mention, the only reason for the old Forerunner-Human war, was the Flood, it was en-roaching upon their worlds, and they had to move into Forerunner held space for that reason.




Also, what if the ancient evil isn't the Primordial (I hope it is), or the Didact (please no), but a Faber, the Master Builder? He was (SPOILERS) on trial at the end Cryptum when Menadict Bias assaults the capital, so we don't know what happend to him, he could have died, or escaped the blast. He obviously know he despises Humanity, so he could possibly be the Antagonist.


1) Unknown, possibly converted Forerunners into AIs through the Composer.

2) For reasons not entirely known, Didact hates us, though we did kill his family, slaughtered his warriors, indirectly shamed him, and were the reason he was forced to kill his wife.

In fact, yeah, his hate is pretty well-founded. But there are hints that suggest outside influences. And by greatest threat, he means the greatest threat currently active. The Covenant are not a threat, at least not those he has met, because they are obedient. He has personal experience with humans, and knows how independant and coniving we can be, an obvious threat to a powerful man such as he, who still seems to believe in his Precursor-given rights as guardian of life.

Primordial is dead, btw.

[Edited on 10.24.2012 1:43 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 1:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Is there no one in the Halo universe capable of any sort of rational thought?
Rational thought does not spawn conflicts, without conflict we have no game.

The problem here is that there really was no need to complicate things. There already were threads that could be tied, but no, there just had to be new plot and intrigue.

We had the concept of the Mantle and how the front of two species chose to interpret it; Forerunner versus the Gravemind, and with that conflict a massive amount of mysteries of how their strife was resolved, or more importantly: how it wasn't. That would be where Mendicant Bias--through Chief--would finally find and executed a solution. Now it has gone out of hand, and focus is directed towards other things.

[Edited on 10.24.2012 1:50 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Is there no one in the Halo universe capable of any sort of rational thought?
Rational thought does not spawn conflicts, without conflict we have no game.

You can create conflict without having to resort to species with a collective IQ of less than 40, though. Otherwise it just limits the setting.

  • 10.24.2012 2:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: anton1792
If Humanity is cast as the Ancient Evil I will laugh my ass off.


I wouldn't have called Ancient Humanity evil, but then when you consider they sacrificed 1/3 of the population to stop the 'Shaping Sickness...' well, earning the respect of the Primordial (who is pretty much the epitome of evil) isn't done by being a nice bloke.

And I suppose we are 'Awakening' in a way, recovering our past and beginning to become more of a galactic presence. Primordium implies that after Halo 4 we're virtually in a war, or about to be at war, with the Forerunners.

Maybe they think we are the Evil. It'd certainly be interesting to play as a species the Forerunners think of as 'the bad guy.' But I highly doubt it's the case - the Ancient Evil's either the Didact (unlikely) or the Primordial.


"Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy."

He does not think too highly of us. Also seems to think he still upholds the Mantle.
Well, damn, watching that trailer makes me even more impaitient to play Halo 4, why did you have to do that. Its like waiting for christmas, and when your'e just about there, its like a slow agonizing death.

But I'm still confused as to 2 things.

1. are the promeatheans, the robot things with holographic skulls, are they really the Forerunners, or are they just their creations doing their bidding?


2. Why would he say that humans are the greatest threat in the galaxy, when that clearly was the Flood, as he saw in our time, and in his time. Not to mention, the only reason for the old Forerunner-Human war, was the Flood, it was en-roaching upon their worlds, and they had to move into Forerunner held space for that reason.




Also, what if the ancient evil isn't the Primordial (I hope it is), or the Didact (please no), but a Faber, the Master Builder? He was (SPOILERS) on trial at the end Cryptum when Menadict Bias assaults the capital, so we don't know what happend to him, he could have died, or escaped the blast. He obviously know he despises Humanity, so he could possibly be the Antagonist.


1) Unknown, possibly converted Forerunners into AIs through the Composer.

2) For reasons not entirely known, Didact hates us, though we did kill his family, slaughtered his warriors, indirectly shamed him, and were the reason he was forced to kill his wife.

In fact, yeah, his hate is pretty well-founded. But there are hints that suggest outside influences. And by greatest threat, he means the greatest threat currently active. The Covenant are not a threat, at least not those he has met, because they are obedient. He has personal experience with humans, and knows how independant and coniving we can be, an obvious threat to a powerful man such as he, who still seems to believe in his Precursor-given rights as guardian of life.

Primordial is dead, btw.


1) alright, we'll find out soon enough

2) Aside from the ambiguity of his hate, the only reason for the Human-Forerunner war, his dead family and slaughtered warrior's was, again the Flood. Im not saying that the Human invasion of Forerunner held systems was right, but they could have talked it over, and figured out that it was the Flood and potentially ended the threat of the Flood then. Obviously, this would have ruined the the backstory and we wouldn't have the Halo we do today, but I just can't believe that the Didact is the villian behind this story arc. We've learned to much about him and the evidence we have points to this: He can't be the villain.

I don't know who else it could be which is why this is making me think so hard. And if I did have to think of anyone else to be the villain, it would be Faber, the Master build, who we know hates humanity for reasons unexplained. (or if they are, I haven't heard them.)

  • 10.24.2012 2:55 PM PDT

1) one of the levels is called the composer so you can infer all you want about who the promethans are.

2) seems like the didact still hates the humans for the war they caused, when it really wasn't their fault they were just running from the flood, trying to escape. Could make a case that the didact blames humans but release the flood on the forerunners. Ur-didact doesn't know what the primordial said. I think silentium is going to clear all this up. I think it would of been wiser to release it before halo 4 so you knew the whole picture, would of been a better set up then thursday war.

  • 10.24.2012 3:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: ryan299
1) one of the levels is called the composer so you can infer all you want about who the promethans are.

2) seems like the didact still hates the humans for the war they caused, when it really wasn't their fault they were just running from the flood, trying to escape. Could make a case that the didact blames humans but release the flood on the forerunners. Ur-didact doesn't know what the primordial said. I think silentium is going to clear all this up. I think it would of been wiser to release it before halo 4 so you knew the whole picture, would of been a better set up then thursday war.
Ok, now I can understand if the main villain is the Ur-Didact, just because of what you said about the Primoridal. But we'll find out soon enough.

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