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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Chester Duncan
Posted by: crumpster212
The Halsey--blam!- finally got what she deserved in my opinion, although Margaret telling her about her daughter was really a low blow. MORELESZ FORT WEENERS!!.! You guys are idiots. Halsey just did her job. If she didn't then they would have replaced her with someone who would have cared alit else.
Moral ambiguity is a cornerstone of characters that are not black and white, which are in general just better characters. Discussing them promotes thought and insight, enriching the story. Does the excuse "they was just doing their job" apply to the N@zis who ran death camps? No, but even less so considering Halsey practically came up with the idea and wanted to be there.
Think about that next time you're about to jump on the anti-Traviss bandwagon.
The problem with the Glasslands Trilogy is that there is no moral ambiguity, Traviss is force-feeding the audience her own opinion that Halsey is evil and the worst person ever. She doesn't present any other possible side, she simply takes her own opinions and rams it down our throats and expects us to swallow...and even if one is exploring other interpretation, those interpretations still need to be in character and not something completely contrary to what that character thinks or makes them tick. What was great about The Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx is that Nylund just gave us the information and let us decide what to do with it, he wasn't trying to force people to think one way or the other...unlike Traviss, with her Halo books, there is only one assumption than can be drawn and what she wants everyone to believe, and that is her own, where Halsey is some sort of evil demon incarnated and does unspeakable horrors on everyone just for -blam!-z and giggles.
And likewise you are wrong in your assumptions as well, Halsey initially did not want to be involved with the Spartan Program, or even come up with the idea (that was ONI). She only signed on and agreed to head ONI's project once she'd become convinced that the Insurrection was a very real threat to humanity and something as drastic as the Spartan II program was the only possible way of stopping it all before humanity was driven to the brink of extinction and launched into another dark age/stone age.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
"Even shadowy ONI was squeamish about her experiments." I don't think they liked what Halsey was doing, and before this she says "ONI had buried her [in a private office tucked away] years ago."
I honestly don't think ONI knew the full details of the SPARTAN program at first, and by the time they did, it was already too far along.
See, that's a fat load of completely and utter bull-blam!- due to Traviss not doing her research, or just choosing to ignore the established information and pervert things to support her own opinion(s) that Halsey is a complete monster who should be killed off....and if one actually only went off Karen Travisty's opinion, that would be true, in her books she went well out of her way to make Halsey the "Complete Monster" trope, and ignoring everything we ever learned about her along the way before that point.
Anyways, Travis claims about Halsey and Spartan Program are complete bull-blam!- because for one, the Spartan Program was ONI's idea in the first place, they'd already had a lot of it lined out before hand, and two, Halsey had a budget and had to get approval for various parts of the project, she wasn't just handed the keys to the project and told to "have at it". ONI was well on top of it all the whole time, like for instance, Halsey wanted to post-pone the augmentations in order to make them as safe as possible for the Spartans (because she cared about them), and ONI smacked her down and told her to press on.
And what experiments? Really, what experiments? There were none, except testing the augments on chimpanzees first and weeding out the potential augments where the risks would be too high for the possible benefits...and that quote is completely retarded in so many ways! ONI bloody experimented on PEOPLE with the sodding FLOOD...if they think experimenting on chimps is something horrid...then they are utterly retarded and have no concept of morality or anything like that whatsoever.