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Posted by: Wolverfrog
But how high did that go up? The source for the first line is The Fall of Reach, and the context makes it clear that what they're squeamish about are the experiments. Nothing about them being annoyed with how safe or slow she is.
I'm saying that the top brass at ONI weren't aware of the full extent. Halsey was isolated in her little corner of the world, and I think she used some lower-tier members of ONI to kidnap the kids and replace them with flash clones.
I don't think Parangosky knew until a bit later, by which time it was too late. She's not mentioned in any of Nylund's novel as being someone who ordered the S-II program, although you wouldn't think it by how people go on here.
And it's not that Halsey was being 'safe.' She just wanted maximum results from her subjects, which is why she had such stringent genetic demands. Ackerson was safer than she was; his augmentations didn't bear a risk of fatality.
I'm not saying ONI were clueless about the S2 program until it was too late. I'm saying some of the top brass in ONI were, probably because Halsey thought they'd oppose it. Remember, she's the one who mentions how worried she was about the outer colony stability.
That line is not in The Fall of Reach at all...if it is in there, gimme the page number it's on please, so I can read it for myself, and someone other than Roberto check it to please?
-__- Are you completely daft? You seriously need to re-read the books as you seem to have forgotten the origins of the Spartans. They were created because ONI and the higher-ups within the UNSC were looking for a successor to the ORION super-soldier project...and they approached Halsey with the offer of leading it because of her advanced knowledge of genetics and so on. And she didn't want to do it at first, she had to run all of the numbers on the Insurrection herself and double-check the results of the Carver Findings (which predicted if left unchecked that the Insurrectionists would leave billions dead and knock humanity back into a second set of Dark Ages before it was all through) before finally agreeing to do it...in other words she needed convincing. Besides the books this is all talked about in fairly intent detail in Halsey's Journal. As the head of ONI, Parangosky would be one of the ones authorizing and signing off on the successor to the ORION Project, which became the Spartan II Program, so yes, she did authorize the project in the first place.
No, the reason there were so many, and any, genetic requirements at all, is because they would be the only ones whose bodies could accept the augmentations and have the candidates come out with the least fatalities. It wasn't because Halsey believed in or was trying to create some sort of Aryan Master Race or Ubermensch. And yes, the Spartan III Program was safer...because they had all of Halsey's research to build off of and about 15-20+ years of medical advances to give them a zero percent casualty or wash-out rate...but even the IIIs still had to meet genetic requirements in order for the augments to take or have them survive, but they were less stringent than with the IIs, again, because of medical advances making a larger amount of applicability. Just like the Spartan IVs are adults, or damn near it, when augmented because of even further medical advances.
I think she not only conceived the SPARTAN II program, but carried out the initial stages of her own accord, without a green light from the top dogs.
Red the books and Halsey's Journal again, she didn't come up with it, ONI and the UNSC did. They wanted a successor to the ORION Project and to try their hand at making super-soldiers again. Halsey was just who they picked to head up the project, she didn't think it up at all. As such, that makes the other part of your statement in error as well...Halsey didn't start nothing on her own.