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Subject: Why does everyone think the Red Army was the best of WW2?
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Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Russia would have lost the war if America did not join, nor give economic aid to the allies.

The UK to would have lost to (without American aid, like supplies and later troops, they would have eventually been defeated, most likely through starvation)

Russia was powerful, but without the help of her allies, she would have been defeated. Remember....the Axis wasn't just the Germans.


And the US would have lost if either the USSR or UK wasn't involved.

Serriously, don't let the whole "we won the war" thing get to your head, you didn't.

Not picking on ^you^, just telling any Americans who may go down that path.

I agree but only because Germany probably would have had the atomic bomb before the Americans or anyone else.

  • 10.23.2012 4:50 PM PDT

clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

  • 10.23.2012 4:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: lukeanatr
Russia had superior tactics, weather, numbers and luck not to mention materials, economy and the Ural mountains with factories strategically placed behind Moscow.

With the Winter on their side, Germany could never win.


They barely managed to overcome the Germans. They were pushed back to the limit. The only reason they won was because of hyper increased industrial output and that every able person went to war.

  • 10.23.2012 4:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Ben2974

Posted by: lukeanatr
Russia had superior tactics, weather, numbers and luck not to mention materials, economy and the Ural mountains with factories strategically placed behind Moscow.

With the Winter on their side, Germany could never win.


They barely managed to overcome the Germans. They were pushed back to the limit. The only reason they won was because of hyper increased industrial output and that every able person went to war.
Plus the Western Allies circled the Fatherland, crushing the Germans who were by then out of supplies.

  • 10.23.2012 4:57 PM PDT


Posted by: manwith

Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Russia would have lost the war if America did not join, nor give economic aid to the allies.

The UK to would have lost to (without American aid, like supplies and later troops, they would have eventually been defeated, most likely through starvation)

Russia was powerful, but without the help of her allies, she would have been defeated. Remember....the Axis wasn't just the Germans.


And the US would have lost if either the USSR or UK wasn't involved.

Serriously, don't let the whole "we won the war" thing get to your head, you didn't.

Not picking on ^you^, just telling any Americans who may go down that path.

I agree but only because Germany probably would have had the atomic bomb before the Americans or anyone else.


And even that wasn't done alone. I must admit though, the US had the resources needed to make it happen.

Hitler was an idiot in many aspects, his plans were... stupid sometimes. He even demanded a bomber variant of the Me 262, a FIGHTER, the first operational jey and he used it the wrong way...

  • 10.23.2012 4:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion

  • 10.23.2012 4:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: coink13

Posted by: Unclaimed Pants

Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion

If the UK had been occupied by the German forces it would have been hard for the Americans to launch an invasion in Europe.

  • 10.23.2012 5:01 PM PDT


Posted by: coink13

Posted by: Unclaimed Pants

Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion


The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.

  • 10.23.2012 5:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: coink13

Posted by: Unclaimed Pants

Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion


The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
I think Australia deserves a word though.

  • 10.23.2012 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sgt Commando
Nah man. Germany lost two World Wars in a row. Dey suck.

  • 10.23.2012 5:23 PM PDT


Posted by: FalconStickr

Posted by: Sgt Commando
Nah man. Germany lost two World Wars in a row. Dey suck.
I responded to this on page 2 or 3.

  • 10.23.2012 5:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Cpt Nicholson
Order No. 227

So the Russians shoot their own people and make the Germans use less bullets.

It played a major role in stopping the Germans. It made it so the Russians absolutely would not retreat.

[Edited on 10.23.2012 6:36 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2012 6:34 PM PDT

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Yes Kill death ratio wise Russia was by far the worst. It's pretty crazy how good Germay's was considering they were fighting UK, US, and Russia.

US > Germany > UK > WWII Russia in terms of military. However today it's US > Russia > UK > Germany.

  • 10.23.2012 6:35 PM PDT

It's a joke (as in funny, not pathetic) to claim WW2 Russia wins in vs threads...

  • 10.23.2012 6:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: shortD42 is aBK
Yes Kill death ratio wise Russia was by far the worst. It's pretty crazy how good Germay's was considering they were fighting UK, US, and Russia.

US > Germany > UK > WWII Russia in terms of military. However today it's US > Russia > UK > Germany.

More like...

Beginning of the war: Germany>UK>USA>USSR

End of the war: USSR=USA>Germany>UK

  • 10.23.2012 6:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Cpt Nicholson

Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Cpt Nicholson
Order No. 227

So the Russians shoot their own people and make the Germans use less bullets.

It played a major role in stopping the Germans. It made it so the Russians absolutely would not retreat.

So they keep throwing themselves at their enemies until they're all dead or get killed by their officers. Who does that sound like...?

  • 10.23.2012 6:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: coink13

Posted by: Unclaimed Pants

Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion


The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.

  • 10.23.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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BECAUSE MOTHER RUSSIA COMRADE!

  • 10.23.2012 6:59 PM PDT
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Apparently water on rock is the best strategy.

  • 10.23.2012 7:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1995324
Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: coink13

Posted by: Unclaimed Pants

Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion


The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.

So you're saying that if America just sat their, not done a thing, and left Europe to their vices Russia and/or Britain would have beaten N@zi Germany on their own?

  • 10.23.2012 7:30 PM PDT

Right?

A country that sends in troops without weapons and tells them to use their dead ally's rifles isn't top tier.

  • 10.23.2012 7:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: coink13

Posted by: Unclaimed Pants

Posted by: coink13
clearly the best army was Americas considering we won the war

Probably troll post, but we didn't win the war alone. The Allied Power together won.

probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion


The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.


...

The war Started in 1938, then the UK and France stood with their thumbs up their asses watching Germany take over most of Europe, then when the UK decided to try something they got their asses kicked off the continent and Paris belonged to the Germans.

They sat on their island getting bombed like all hell, and would have run out of petrol and food and bullets if we didn't give it to them.

So no, its more like one guy pushing a piano up a hill during a snow storm, and a second guy 3 times his size coming along and helping him.

  • 10.23.2012 7:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
Posted by: Da chief FWB

Posted by: coink13
probally not, considering the allies would have lost the war with out us, therefore we won the war for the allies, not to mention history is very subjunctive, and it is very hard to have a wrong opinion


The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.
If you are talking about WWI when American troops came in first as rebuilders and logistics then as fighting men near the very end of the war, then that is the situation in which you would be most correct. Still not technically correct though.

However, ignoring the United State's atlas-like support of European and Russian wartime economies as well as the massive roles they played in war infrastructure manufacturing of Europe and Russia, the entire Pacific Theatre of War and the USMC's island hopping campaign, U.S. Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe (Ike), spearheading the Normandy Invasion and the subsequent liberation of France (with Britian), the finished development of the Atomic Bomb before Japan or Germany, splitting the attention and manpower of the Desert Fox's forces in Africa which helped the British hold the Suez Canal (and stop Hitler's dreamed-of oil routes), and the development of nearly all technology most European nations didn't want to keep in their possession and sent to the United States (for development like the radar efficient enough for airplanes that Britian used in their air power to defend their mainland, fighters that could oust the Japanese Zero, the technologies used to develop the most capable and largest Navy to enter the war, etc.)... Yeah then I guess you could attempt to minimize the important of the U.S. in WWII. I could do the same with Britain, France, Russia, Australia, etc., but then I'd be pulling nonsense out of my rear.

To deny any major combatant's role in either of the world wars would be to deny the key factors of the war simply because you disagree. The U.S. as well as Russia, Germany, France, and nearly all fighting and non-fighting allied powers were absolutely essential in the 2nd world war.

[Edited on 10.23.2012 7:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2012 7:41 PM PDT

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  • 10.23.2012 7:44 PM PDT