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Subject: Why does everyone think the Red Army was the best of WW2?


Posted by: Rainbow A Dash
Stupendous post I thoroughly enjoyed it. The only thing you missed is the American and British strategic bombing campaign.

  • 10.23.2012 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith

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Russia would have lost the war if America did not join, nor give economic aid to the allies.

The UK to would have lost to (without American aid, like supplies and later troops, they would have eventually been defeated, most likely through starvation)

Russia was powerful, but without the help of her allies, she would have been defeated. Remember....the Axis wasn't just the Germans.


And the US would have lost if either the USSR or UK wasn't involved.

Serriously, don't let the whole "we won the war" thing get to your head, you didn't.

Not picking on ^you^, just telling any Americans who may go down that path.

I agree but only because Germany probably would have had the atomic bomb before the Americans or anyone else.
Actually, German scientists hid any and all work from Hitler, and lied about the progress they made insisting what he ask of them isn't yet possible in science. They didn't want Hitler to have the bomb either. They made almost no progress for Hitler and the bomb in the several years it took the German scientist who fled with the plans for the working nuclear reaction to the UK, and then the US, until development.

It was a very odd thing to discover. Keep in mind one of the first things US and Allied troops shot for sweeping through France was the Scientists. They had all the German's technological advancements for the future, medical study, etc. Most of what we know now as medicine derived from that insane German scientist experimenting so inhumanely on Jewish, Gypsies, Handicapped, etc., prisoners of war or detainees.

It must have been an odd thing to see though, collecting scientists to find that the nation who's scientist helped develop the Atomic Bomb was so many years behind the enemy nation that actually finished it.

[Edited on 10.23.2012 7:56 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2012 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Rainbow A Dash
Stupendous post I thoroughly enjoyed it. The only thing you missed is the American and British strategic bombing campaign.
Admittedly, I don't know as much about Britain's roles in the war as I should. I know mostly about their air superiority against German aggression, and Churchill's uncanny ability to keep a shambled and broken nation (and it's spirit) together. From what I've learned he kept the place running pretty well with bombs dropping. Something I personally couldn't ever hope to do.

  • 10.23.2012 7:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1995324
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The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.

So you're saying that if America just sat their, not done a thing, and left Europe to their vices Russia and/or Britain would have beaten N@zi Germany on their own?
I'm saying it's a team effort.

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Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Posted by: Da chief FWB

The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.

So you're saying that if America just sat their, not done a thing, and left Europe to their vices Russia and/or Britain would have beaten N@zi Germany on their own?
I'm saying it's a team effort.
I seemed to have misunderstood what you were saying as well. I felt as though you strongly implied the US was nearly useless and so late in the war it could be deemed irrelevant. That's the analogy you decided to use anyway.

I think a better analogy would be:
If three guys were pushing a piano up a hill for weeks, and there was a fourth guy running water, food, shoes, and medical supplies up and down the hill. Then about halfway up the hill that fourth guy summoned unsought energy and helped heave the piano up the hill the last half of the way letting the other three take some time to rest and jump in as they deemed fit. Let the other three stop exerting 100% for a while, even though most of them preferred not too.

[Edited on 10.23.2012 8:01 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2012 7:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

Posted by: Spartan1995324

Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Spartan1995324
Posted by: Da chief FWB

The US would have lost the war without the USSR, UK, Canada or France, I could go on but it's late.

Lose that "We won the war ourselves." idea before you post again please.
The US was only needed for the last push. Why?

Because they had all these fresh troops because THEY DIDN'T FIGHT until "the last minute". That's like if 3 guys are pushing a piano up a hill, and the fourth guy helps them push it the last meter and claims he did all the heavy lifting. In no way should the late comer claim they did all or most of the work.

So you're saying that if America just sat their, not done a thing, and left Europe to their vices Russia and/or Britain would have beaten N@zi Germany on their own?
I'm saying it's a team effort.
I seemed to have misunderstood what you were saying as well. I felt as though you strongly implied the US was nearly useless and so late in the war it could be deemed irrelevant. That's the analogy you decided to use anyway.
The fourth guy in the analogy was desperately needed, no doubt. The other three guys couldn't keep it up much longer.

My point is that it would be wrong for the fourth guy, or any of those guys, to say they did it by themselves.

[Edited on 10.23.2012 8:00 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2012 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324The fourth guy in the analogy was desperately needed, no doubt. The other three guys couldn't keep it up much longer.

My point is that it would be wrong for the fourth guy, or any of those guys, to say they did it by themselves.
Yep yep yep!

I see Americans think that all the time (sometimes eerily seriously) and I just kind of chuckle it off. We were instrumental yes, but so was everybody else who kept everything going until we got in there to help and didn't let up after we did.

It almost shames me to say, but I find the stereotype about American ignorance to hold some merit :(

  • 10.23.2012 8:03 PM PDT

The strongest Rivals are also the strongest allies.

Finland beat their asses.


The UK's steadfast defiance allowed the true allied powers to assault and end the -blam!- war machine.

The Russians were simply inexperienced cannon fodder thrown repeatedly at the enemy.

  • 10.23.2012 8:03 PM PDT

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Finland beat their asses.


The UK's steadfast defiance allowed the true allied powers to assault and end the -blam!- war machine.

The Russians were simply inexperienced cannon fodder thrown repeatedly at the enemy.


inexperienced cannon fodder thrown repeatedly at the enemy.
And that my friends, is how you win a war.

Joking.

[Edited on 10.23.2012 8:07 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2012 8:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

Posted by: Spartan1995324The fourth guy in the analogy was desperately needed, no doubt. The other three guys couldn't keep it up much longer.

My point is that it would be wrong for the fourth guy, or any of those guys, to say they did it by themselves.
Yep yep yep!

I see Americans think that all the time (sometimes eerily seriously) and I just kind of chuckle it off. We were instrumental yes, but so was everybody else who kept everything going until we got in there to help and didn't let up after we did.

It almost shames me to say, but I find the stereotype about American ignorance to hold some merit :(
Sad to be in that group ;(

  • 10.24.2012 1:45 PM PDT

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Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


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Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

Posted by: Spartan1995324The fourth guy in the analogy was desperately needed, no doubt. The other three guys couldn't keep it up much longer.

My point is that it would be wrong for the fourth guy, or any of those guys, to say they did it by themselves.
Yep yep yep!

I see Americans think that all the time (sometimes eerily seriously) and I just kind of chuckle it off. We were instrumental yes, but so was everybody else who kept everything going until we got in there to help and didn't let up after we did.

It almost shames me to say, but I find the stereotype about American ignorance to hold some merit :(
Sad to be in that group ;(

No you are not. You are in with the smart Americans. We both are, my good sir!

  • 10.24.2012 1:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: Th3Av3Ng3R

Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

Posted by: Spartan1995324The fourth guy in the analogy was desperately needed, no doubt. The other three guys couldn't keep it up much longer.

My point is that it would be wrong for the fourth guy, or any of those guys, to say they did it by themselves.
Yep yep yep!

I see Americans think that all the time (sometimes eerily seriously) and I just kind of chuckle it off. We were instrumental yes, but so was everybody else who kept everything going until we got in there to help and didn't let up after we did.

It almost shames me to say, but I find the stereotype about American ignorance to hold some merit :(
Sad to be in that group ;(

No you are not. You are in with the smart Americans. We both are, my good sir!
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  • 10.24.2012 1:57 PM PDT

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While the initial losses of the Red Army were monumental, they soon had later success. After 1943, Russia steamrolled over Easten Europe, covering huge amounts of ground and wiping out some of the German's most elite divisions. When you think of the Red Army, you should think of unrelenting fire power. During and after the Battle of Kursk, Russia had the largest artillery force in the world, a massive tank army, boasting the T-34, in which the sloped armor was a huge innovation, and millions of infantrymen. These forces allowed the Russians to sweep across the Eastern front, covering some 200 miles in the summer of '43, and it also allowed them to crush not only Germany, but all of Germany's allies in the East.

  • 10.24.2012 2:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Soul drinker108
While the initial losses of the Red Army were monumental, they soon had later success. After 1943, Russia steamrolled over Easten Europe, covering huge amounts of ground and wiping out some of the German's most elite divisions. When you think of the Red Army, you should think of unrelenting fire power. During and after the Battle of Kursk, Russia had the largest artillery force in the world, a massive tank army, boasting the T-34, in which the sloped armor was a huge innovation, and millions of infantrymen. These forces allowed the Russians to sweep across the Eastern front, covering some 200 miles in the summer of '43, and it also allowed them to crush not only Germany, but all of Germany's allies in the East.
But most of that stuff was given to them.

  • 10.24.2012 2:02 PM PDT

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The Red Army didn't win by tactics and it sure as hell didn't win by technology. Pretty much, they commie zerg rushed Hitler until he left the game.

Gotta say, I don't know what Hitler that he was doing pissing off the US, the British Empire, and Russia all at once. There's no way you win there.

  • 10.24.2012 2:24 PM PDT
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If we look at K/D ratio the Red Army was the worst and Finland was the best.

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Finland>Russia

  • 12.12.2012 8:18 AM PDT

"Life is constantly fleeting from your grasp even from the very day it's bestowed upon you, but the shadow of death is always there, waiting for its chance to take you away."

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Because they're just that awesome.

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  • 12.12.2012 8:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
If we look at K/D ratio the Red Army was the worst and Finland was the best.


Why the necrobump?

  • 12.12.2012 8:25 AM PDT

Why is this back?

No one country won the war alone it was won by the sacrifices of millions of average people in almost every country in the world.
Russia couldn't have done it alone. Britain couldn't have done it alone. American couldn't have done it alone. Canada couldn't have done it alone.

  • 12.12.2012 8:26 AM PDT

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I don't think anyone thinks the reds were better.

  • 12.12.2012 8:27 AM PDT

Actually, In a one on one war with Germany, Russia would've won, provided he still went by the Operation barbarossa plan.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 9:00 AM PST]

  • 12.12.2012 8:59 AM PDT

>WWII
>Germeny

They lost.

  • 12.12.2012 9:00 AM PDT

It gets better

Germany lost because Hitler had no idea how to conduct a war. Had Rommel been in charge, well....Wir würden alle sprechen Deutsch.

  • 12.12.2012 9:06 AM PDT