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Subject: Do you guys think the ancient humans could have escaped?
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I was watching one of the Halo 4 trailers and I had an idea. What if the ancient humans, fearing extinction, sent out colonization teams. What if they picked a few close by galaxies, pointed a million or so people to each one, and said "go survive"?

Speculate!

[Edited on 10.24.2012 3:04 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 3:04 PM PDT

Maybe. I had a similar theory with Brutes, but obviously long after the activation of the Halo array.

The Tier that Brutes were at before nuking themselves back to the stone age was the same tier that civilization begin to have colonies.

So I always imagined the Brutes possibly having a colony that was not nuked back to the stone age.

About the Humans...I see it happening. Maybe.

  • 10.24.2012 3:10 PM PDT
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I doubt we would see it in any game but if this did happen imagine the level humanity is at. They've had the entire time forerunners were down and out or hiding somewhere to rebuild themselves and advance there technology. Imagine the result of the groups of humans having no contact with each other. They could have all gone down different lines of technological evolution.

  • 10.24.2012 3:14 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

100,000 years is not enough time for a civilization to advance to be honest. The Forerunners were still a big way ahead of Ancient Humanity, and their Empire was millions of years old, so a couple of million years is what I think it would take them to actually surpass the Forerunners in technological might.

  • 10.24.2012 3:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
100,000 years is not enough time for a civilization to advance to be honest. The Forerunners were still a big way ahead of Ancient Humanity, and their Empire was millions of years old, so a couple of million years is what I think it would take them to actually surpass the Forerunners in technological might.
While capturing Forerunner worlds I'm sure the human came across quite a bit of forerunner technology.

[Edited on 10.24.2012 3:26 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 3:25 PM PDT

precusors were the only species to travel to other galaxies i believe. I think the humans and forerunners didnt have the right technology to go to another galaxy others wise they would of tried harder to escape the flood.

Also ancient humans did survive through the composer. Guilty spark is made up of ancient human minds put into his body

  • 10.24.2012 3:56 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

  • 10.24.2012 3:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.

[Edited on 10.24.2012 6:27 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2012 6:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: ryan299
precusors were the only species to travel to other galaxies i believe. I think the humans and forerunners didnt have the right technology to go to another galaxy others wise they would of tried harder to escape the flood.

Also ancient humans did survive through the composer. Guilty spark is made up of ancient human minds put into his body

isn't one of the theories about the forerunners that they sent some of themselves out of the galaxy? I'm pretty sure silverfrog came up with that. I think with enough time they could reach another Galaxy. Forerunners and ancient Humans lived until killed by an accident or war.

  • 10.24.2012 6:30 PM PDT


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Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.


He's Halo 4's antagonist, not necessarily the Ancient Evil.

Though I have no reason to think it's humanity other than for the sake of a crappy twist.

  • 10.24.2012 6:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.


He's Halo 4's antagonist, not necessarily the Ancient Evil.

Though I have no reason to think it's humanity other than for the sake of a crappy twist.

He is the antagonist, but a few trailers end with 'An ancient evil awakens' and Didact's symbol. He is most likely connected to it.

  • 10.24.2012 6:43 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Both Arks are out of the Milky Way Galaxy, so they can go to other galaxies, that's for sure.

  • 10.24.2012 6:44 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: cph645

Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.


He's Halo 4's antagonist, not necessarily the Ancient Evil.

Though I have no reason to think it's humanity other than for the sake of a crappy twist.

He is the antagonist, but a few trailers end with 'An ancient evil awakens' and Didact's symbol. He is most likely connected to it.


Of course, but they've built the Precursors up far too much lately as a villain to not be the villain, the Bigger Bad.

From a storytelling standpoint, the Forerunners are easily recognizable to non-lore buffs, and could act as a setup to introduce the Precursors to civillians.

  • 10.24.2012 6:53 PM PDT
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If they hadn't gone up against the forerunners right after they fought the flood they probably could have beaten both individually.

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Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.


Looks like he is. Which makes sense - he fought the flood, but who said he was any better.

  • 10.24.2012 7:08 PM PDT

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If they hadn't gone up against the forerunners right after they fought the flood they probably could have beaten both individually.


Eh, no. Ancient Humanity, while Tier 1 like the Forerunners, were still miles behind them. The fact that the Forerunners dictated the whole war in their terms and ended up de-evolving humans and turning Janjur Qom (the homeworld of the Prophets) into a quarantined zone with trillions of ships/sentinels creating a sphere around it 24/7.

The only reason the humans lasted so long was because the Forerunners could not destroy the Precursor structures on Charum Hakkor and were forced to fight on the ground.

  • 10.24.2012 7:25 PM PDT
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The arks are no where near half way to Andramida ,our closest galaxy, The arks just prove that they could get a good distance away. With enough time and some of there slipspace time bubble things, I think forerunners or humans could have gotten to another galaxy.

  • 10.25.2012 2:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: cph645

Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.


He's Halo 4's antagonist, not necessarily the Ancient Evil.

Though I have no reason to think it's humanity other than for the sake of a crappy twist.

He is the antagonist, but a few trailers end with 'An ancient evil awakens' and Didact's symbol. He is most likely connected to it.


Of course, but they've built the Precursors up far too much lately as a villain to not be the villain, the Bigger Bad.

From a storytelling standpoint, the Forerunners are easily recognizable to non-lore buffs, and could act as a setup to introduce the Precursors to civillians.

Absolutely. I doubt Didact will be the villain for the whole trilogy, but he might be a good choice for a transitionary bad guy who will introduce the Precursors to everyone else. Maybe he is being manipulated by them.

Of course, if you make Precursors the bad guys, you run into problems as well. How can we defeat these kinds of people? Their structures are untouchable by anything short of a Halo, so unless they're much softer than their structures or we suddenly acquire portable neural weapons, it won't be a very long war.

  • 10.25.2012 2:52 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
100,000 years is not enough time for a civilization to advance to be honest.


Mate, we went from mud huts to skyscrapers and from donkeys to spacecraft in way less than 10,000 years. 100,000 years is more than long enough.

  • 10.25.2012 3:03 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
100,000 years is not enough time for a civilization to advance to be honest.


Mate, we went from mud huts to skyscrapers and from donkeys to spacecraft in way less than 10,000 years. 100,000 years is more than long enough.

But we also spent the thousands and thousands of years before that with our most advanced piece of technology being either a sharp rock or fire. If the ancient humans had technology, and considering they needed spaceships to get to another galaxy they probably do, they are likely much more advanced than us. Unless they found another Tier-1 civilization and were wiped out.

  • 10.25.2012 3:19 PM PDT


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Posted by: ferrrari
Ancient humans are the Ancient evil...

[/quote]I thought the ancient evil was the forerunners. The Didact to be more specific.[/quote]

He's Halo 4's antagonist, not necessarily the Ancient Evil.

Though I have no reason to think it's humanity other than for the sake of a crappy twist.

He is the antagonist, but a few trailers end with 'An ancient evil awakens' and Didact's symbol. He is most likely connected to it.


Of course, but they've built the Precursors up far too much lately as a villain to not be the villain, the Bigger Bad.

From a storytelling standpoint, the Forerunners are easily recognizable to non-lore buffs, and could act as a setup to introduce the Precursors to civillians.

Absolutely. I doubt Didact will be the villain for the whole trilogy, but he might be a good choice for a transitionary bad guy who will introduce the Precursors to everyone else. Maybe he is being manipulated by them.

Of course, if you make Precursors the bad guys, you run into problems as well. How can we defeat these kinds of people? Their structures are untouchable by anything short of a Halo, so unless they're much softer than their structures or we suddenly acquire portable neural weapons, it won't be a very long war.


Perhaps the objective is to not beat them but survive them. They're playing a bigger game than any one mortal race such as ours can fully comprehend. Their reasons for creating life, and then trying to find stewards to protect it, must be serving a goal of some sort, and it is a goal that they will gladly commit omnicide to defend and achieve.

I don't see the Precursors themselves as villains in the traditional sense, but rather as the chestmaster that is the fount of all our problems, but is completely untouchable from behind their veil of mystery. They'll work through proxy races like the Flood and others, but rarely will we see them personally. We might have to play their game to survive, and hope they deem us worthy.

  • 10.25.2012 3:24 PM PDT


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
100,000 years is not enough time for a civilization to advance to be honest.


Mate, we went from mud huts to skyscrapers and from donkeys to spacecraft in way less than 10,000 years. 100,000 years is more than long enough.

But we also spent the thousands and thousands of years before that with our most advanced piece of technology being either a sharp rock or fire. If the ancient humans had technology, and considering they needed spaceships to get to another galaxy they probably do, they are likely much more advanced than us.


I thought that's what I was saying?

  • 10.25.2012 3:28 PM PDT

Just for -blam!-s and giggles, a thought struck me just now while reading the Bulletin. Though the multiplayer spaces are holographic recreations, they do have a canonical bases in the universe. Forge map Impact is the site of a fragment of unknown material obliterating a planetoid. "When researchers first arrived, they were startled to find a non-native fragment of the impacting agent had actually survived and was of unknown origin. More recently, interest in the site has grown as the fragment has proven to have originated from long before the earliest of known Forerunner artifacts.

Sounds pretty Precursor to me: an invunerable chunk of who-knows-what long predating the earliest known Forerunner structures, probably having been fragmented from the Halo blast. So maybe 343i is using Halo 4 as a set up for the Precursors, by dropping in hints for lore buffs and perhaps direct references in campaign/S:ops for civillians.

Or this could mean nothing and I just tossed 5 minutes I won't be getting back. Either way, I found it interesting that they'd put those details in there.

  • 10.25.2012 3:51 PM PDT

I thought every Precursor artefact in our galaxy was destroyed when the Halo array was fired, due to the neural stuff being ruined.

  • 10.25.2012 3:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
I thought every Precursor artefact in our galaxy was destroyed when the Halo array was fired, due to the neural stuff being ruined.


In Cryptum, the structures at Hakkor were demolished but they were not vaporized into nothingness.

It may not be impossible that a few fragments survived.

  • 10.25.2012 4:02 PM PDT

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