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Subject: Silentium: Ur-Didact/Librarian conflict & MB's intentions?

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Analysing Silentium's official summary opens up some interesting possibilities, most notably I think is that there is an implied conflict brewing between the Ur-Didact and the Librarian.

Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian--husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict--hold the keys to a solution.

Note the fact that the Bornstellar-Didact is alienated from this description, I'll come back to this later. The specific use of the word 'keys' rather than just 'key' implies that there's apparently multiple ways to go about achieving this 'solution'. They're "pushed into a desperate conflict," which can't be the Forerunner-Flood war because they're already involved in it and have been for quite a while. I think this is a personal conflict between them over this 'solution'.

What's also interesting to note is how it handles the Bornstellar-Didact, who has been travelling around the galaxy with the Librarian since the events of Primordium:

the Bornstellar Didact, who accompanies the Librarian as she preserves specimens against the dire possibility of Halo extermination

There is clear room here for conflict. The Bornstellar-Didact and the Librarian will likely be on the same side here while the Ur-Didact is specifically said to have a different solution. This can be further gathered from the lack of reference to the Bornstellar-Didact in the first quote.

And we already know what the Librarian's solution is. Humanity. She sees us as 'special', revealed in Halo 3's Terminals, and it's heavily implied that we're given some form of gei (genetic command) by her (as Guilty Spark confirms in CEA's first Terminal) to attain the Mantle.

So from this, we can gather that in all likelihood it's the Ur-Didact who is in Halo 4 that states humanity is the "greatest threat in the galaxy". His possible conflict with the Librarian in Silentium will set this up, as it seems from all we've gathered that the Ur-Didact believes that the Mantle belongs to the Forerunners and humanity is [again] their main 'competition' for it.

So my next idea is a bit of an abstract one, but hear me out.

Mendicant Bias is not on our side.

Mendicant Bias' 'atonement' wasn't the great act of redemption it seemed to be. He specifically says:

"I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."

He specifically refers to the Forerunners as his masters, not humanity who have supposedly had the Forerunner Mantle passed to them - which would make us the 'masters'. It seems his loyalty is to his creator - the Ur-Didact (as the Bornstellar-Didact wasn't around at the time of his creation).

So it's entirely possible that MB knows that the Ur-Didact slumbers within Requiem (since he's fully aware at the end of Halo 3 where the Forerunner are), and has sent John to awaken him in order to prevent humanity from completing their 'Reclamation', which the Librarian has set in motion, and taking over the galaxy.

Thoughts?

[Edited on 10.25.2012 6:50 AM PDT]

  • 10.25.2012 6:49 AM PDT

If good looks could kill, I'd be a weapon of mass destruction.

Q: Hey, what did Hitler say to the black jew?
A: Get to the back of the oven.

I saw this on the waypoint forum.

Anyhow, I'm hoping that while the Didact (likely 'Ur') seems to be the main antagonist in Halo 4, that the Precursors come into play somehow in the trilogy. Building them up in the Forerunner Saga only to have them as the main antagonists in that era and play no role in the "current" era would be...plausible but upsetting to me.

As far as the "desperate conflict," I think you're reading too much into that. It's a line in a summary for people to read to get an idea of what the book is about, not necessarily for in depth contextual clues to the dedicated Halo lore fan. In other words, I think the conflict is the Flood War.

And Mendicant Bias's intentions are up for debate, seeing as how he told the chief he would keep him safe through the path that is fraught with peril. Seems rather benevolent in that light, but could also be the opposite if he indeed intentionally kept Chief alive to send to the Didact under a hostile pretense for whatever reason. Basically, it remains to be seen what side he is/was on.

  • 10.25.2012 7:16 AM PDT

I suppose the bigger question is how humanity will combat the Forerunners.

The Infinity is one ship, and there isn't an endless supply of Spartans. What can humanity do to defeat the Forerunners if they become the main threat? Do we release the parasite?

  • 10.25.2012 7:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
I suppose the bigger question is how humanity will combat the Forerunners.

The Infinity is one ship, and there isn't an endless supply of Spartans. What can humanity do to defeat the Forerunners if they become the main threat? Do we release the parasite?


This is what I'm thinking. Look at the Shield World in Halo Wars - there was an entire fleet of Dreadnaughts in it which was sought after by the Covenant because it could wipe out humanity in one fell sweep. Not even post-Halo 3 has been buffed to that kind of power yet.

The Flood certainly does seem like the kind of choice we might have to resort to - which would fulfil a kind of circular irony that before we destroyed the 'cure' to the Flood as an act of revenge on the Forerunners, now we'd be unleashing the Flood on them.


Posted by: bagan bodies 2
As far as the "desperate conflict," I think you're reading too much into that. It's a line in a summary for people to read to get an idea of what the book is about, not necessarily for in depth contextual clues to the dedicated Halo lore fan. In other words, I think the conflict is the Flood War.


While I agree that it's a bit of an 'out-there' interpretation, I think it's entirely possible that it could well hold fruit. There's a fair amount of evidence to give substance to the idea that there's some kind of conflict between the Librarian's "long plans" and the Ur-Didact. Greg Bear is the kind of writer who wants his readers to think carefully and deeply about these kinds of things.

  • 10.25.2012 7:22 AM PDT

Yeah, sounds about right. I've been doubting Mendicant Bias' motivations ever since I found out that the Didact's going to be opposing us.

I honestly think this is going to escalate into a second human-Forerunner war; Primordium especially seems to make this abundantly clear.

  • 10.25.2012 7:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yeah, sounds about right. I've been doubting Mendicant Bias' motivations ever since I found out that the Didact's going to be opposing us.

I honestly think this is going to escalate into a second human-Forerunner war; Primordium especially seems to make this abundantly clear.


Indeed. Primordium is set in the midst of an implied battle, so it seems. Which is pretty significant because it shows that humanity are putting up a fight, if it is indeed the Forerunners they're fighting.

  • 10.25.2012 7:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I like this idea, but I wouldn't put too much stake in a summery, like bagan said. Glassland's summary promised me that we would have stunning actions on Venezia, but all we got was a few pages at the end where it turns out Naomi's dad is alive.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yeah, sounds about right. I've been doubting Mendicant Bias' motivations ever since I found out that the Didact's going to be opposing us.

I honestly think this is going to escalate into a second human-Forerunner war; Primordium especially seems to make this abundantly clear.


Indeed. Primordium is set in the midst of an implied battle, so it seems. Which is pretty significant because it shows that humanity are putting up a fight, if it is indeed the Forerunners they're fighting.

I doubt it is a battle withForerunners because last I checked, they were still head and shoulders above humanity. Unless ONI managed to produce another dozen Infinities while we weren't looking, I think it was a battle between Covenant remnants who managed to find an Oracle.

  • 10.25.2012 8:59 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: ajw34307
Analysing Silentium's official summary opens up some interesting possibilities, most notably I think is that there is an implied conflict brewing between the Ur-Didact and the Librarian.

Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian--husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict--hold the keys to a solution.

Note the fact that the Bornstellar-Didact is alienated from this description, I'll come back to this later. The specific use of the word 'keys' rather than just 'key' implies that there's apparently multiple ways to go about achieving this 'solution'. They're "pushed into a desperate conflict," which can't be the Forerunner-Flood war because they're already involved in it and have been for quite a while. I think this is a personal conflict between them over this 'solution'.

What's also interesting to note is how it handles the Bornstellar-Didact, who has been travelling around the galaxy with the Librarian since the events of Primordium:

the Bornstellar Didact, who accompanies the Librarian as she preserves specimens against the dire possibility of Halo extermination

There is clear room here for conflict. The Bornstellar-Didact and the Librarian will likely be on the same side here while the Ur-Didact is specifically said to have a different solution. This can be further gathered from the lack of reference to the Bornstellar-Didact in the first quote.

And we already know what the Librarian's solution is. Humanity. She sees us as 'special', revealed in Halo 3's Terminals, and it's heavily implied that we're given some form of gei (genetic command) by her (as Guilty Spark confirms in CEA's first Terminal) to attain the Mantle.

So from this, we can gather that in all likelihood it's the Ur-Didact who is in Halo 4 that states humanity is the "greatest threat in the galaxy". His possible conflict with the Librarian in Silentium will set this up, as it seems from all we've gathered that the Ur-Didact believes that the Mantle belongs to the Forerunners and humanity is [again] their main 'competition' for it.

So my next idea is a bit of an abstract one, but hear me out.

Mendicant Bias is not on our side.

Mendicant Bias' 'atonement' wasn't the great act of redemption it seemed to be. He specifically says:

"I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."

He specifically refers to the Forerunners as his masters, not humanity who have supposedly had the Forerunner Mantle passed to them - which would make us the 'masters'. It seems his loyalty is to his creator - the Ur-Didact (as the Bornstellar-Didact wasn't around at the time of his creation).

So it's entirely possible that MB knows that the Ur-Didact slumbers within Requiem (since he's fully aware at the end of Halo 3 where the Forerunner are), and has sent John to awaken him in order to prevent humanity from completing their 'Reclamation', which the Librarian has set in motion, and taking over the galaxy.

Thoughts?

But Mendicant Bias says "One life hardly makes up for billions" [citation]

Unless he's referring to reviving the Didact as not being atonement for the billions...

  • 10.25.2012 9:25 AM PDT

this is an interesting idea... nice work AJ!

how many Forerunners are there left, should a war fully break out between them and Humanity? Enough to decimate us?

And the idea of 'allying' with the Flood/Gravemind would make for a VERY interesting plot. Very dark, for Halo.

and that part in the OP about MB leading 117 to Requiem... hmm. *scratches chin reflectively*

  • 10.25.2012 9:57 AM PDT

But what of the Arbiter and the Chief? Will they become enemies? WIll the elites unite under a single flag? Or will humanity side with the Flood and the Arbiter and co. against the Forerunners and the Storm?

  • 10.25.2012 10:07 AM PDT

good point. there's plenty of threads this plot could go. i know we won't be able to explore them all (i.e. ME3.. or not, haha) but i see many FF possibilities. (facepalm)

  • 10.25.2012 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yeah, sounds about right. I've been doubting Mendicant Bias' motivations ever since I found out that the Didact's going to be opposing us.

I honestly think this is going to escalate into a second human-Forerunner war; Primordium especially seems to make this abundantly clear.[/quote]

Indeed. Primordium is set in the midst of an implied battle, so it seems. Which is pretty significant because it shows that humanity are putting up a fight, if it is indeed the Forerunners they're fighting.

I doubt it is a battle withForerunners because last I checked, they were still head and shoulders above humanity. Unless ONI managed to produce another dozen Infinities while we weren't looking, I think it was a battle between Covenant remnants who managed to find an Oracle.


Yeah, I agree here. All the 'present day' moments in Primordium seem to suggest the war is looming, but not yet here.

But what of the Arbiter and the Chief? Will they become enemies? WIll the elites unite under a single flag? Or will humanity side with the Flood and the Arbiter and co. against the Forerunners and the Storm?

I think the Arbiter doesn't believe in the Forerunners at all anymore. To him, a God can't be a mortal who uses tools and technology - 'Telcam testifies the opposite, and says the Arbiter does not share his beliefs.

The Didact or Forerunners returning might bring together some of the Elites, but I think it's just as likely to turn away others when they see their mortality.

It's going to be interesting. I really hope we get back to 'our' space in Halo 5 - maybe in the same way Halo 4 begins spiritually similar to Halo CE with the crashing on a mysterious alien world, Halo 5 can begin with us on a major known planet - Sanghelios rather than Earth. John could meet up with Thel again (and what a gloriously silent reunion of muted body language it'll be) and then -blam!- can go down.

[Edited on 10.25.2012 2:43 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2012 2:28 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I can see the the Elites turning against Humanity when the Forerunners declare their intentions. It's the only realistic thing that would happen after the beings that you revered now come to you and tell you that you were right in your war with Humanity. Yeah sure, they are not literal gods, but the residual feelings left from that religion would probably be enough to sway them to the Forerunners side. That, and the fact that the Elites actually don't need that religion to find reason to despise Humanity. The Didact is likely going to reinforce the Elite's belief of Humanity being these Imperialistic conquerors and give an account of Humanity's actions in the Human-Forerunner war. The combination of these being the Forerunners, greater beings albeit not literal gods, and the fact that they are saying everything the Elites also despise about Humans really only leads to one inevitable conclusion.

Even Thel is likely to do so, especially when he finds out from the Storm Covenant what ONI is doing to his people. Seriously, why would he and the rest of his people not unite against Humanity under the Forerunners? Humanity were Imperialists then, and they are now once again doing that. The Forerunners themselves are telling them, and now they will have proof from the Storm Covenant.

It would maybe be different if there was no proof for Humanity's actions this time around, or if it the Elites didn't utterly despise Humans for reasons other than religious fervour that are now about to be confirmed by a third party that they previously worshipped. However I don't see any reason for Thel, Rtas or any other Sangheili, to say "Hold on now...".

  • 10.25.2012 3:29 PM PDT

Ha, Alex is banned. It's probably because he smells.

Posted by: anton1792
However I don't see any reason for Thel, Rtas or any other Sangheili, to say "Hold on now...".


It seemed to me John and Thel became friends in Halo 3, even if John only ever spoke one word to him. The body language tells it all - John goes from shoving a gun under Thel's face and shoving him in the other direction when told they're allies, to making sure Thel's okay (and they both share a bro-nod) when they crash into the Dawn with the Warthog.

I think John might be enough to dissuade Thel from taking arms up against us again. And I think if ONI's scheme was exposed, the UNSC would just as quickly denounce them and try to have them terminated.

It might get to the point where Thel's forced to flee his people, though. In time to go on another adventure with John in Halo 5, with a campaign split between the two of them.

We can but hope.

[Edited on 10.25.2012 3:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2012 3:44 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

You guys forget that there are 2 Didacts, Born-steller Didact must come into the play somewhere.

And i doubt the infinity could take on an Assualt carrier, let alone any forerunner ships.

I don't care if you have 100 infinitys in a fleet, i bet a single forerunner ship would rofl stomp them all.

  • 10.25.2012 5:12 PM PDT

Forerunners had all the time in the world to improve their tech and humanity only had a few thousand. theirs would be like human=stick forerunner=nuke. Unless humans outwitt them by sticking the stick somewhere that would make the nuke explode prematurely we are f if we have a war with them. With or without flood or other allies.

  • 10.25.2012 5:32 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Yes, Thel and John achieved a certain kind of bond. There are tons of examples of it throughout Halo 3's campaign. I think the second strongest implication is when John almost instinctively reached out to grab Thel's hand when trying to escape from the Ark control Room rather than pull himself to safety first.

However, do you recall who is writing in the Halo franchise now? KT and 343i's writers don't seem to care for all of that. To them, that is probably silly and unrealistic; kiddish, and obviously John should have left him if not for callousness but for the simple fact that he didn't regard Thel's safety as an immediate concern because he was a former hated enemy and an alien. It's not ingrained into his head enough. (KT actually does something like this in TTW using that Troglodyte Vaz and a Sangheili kid.) Is this a realistic interpretation? Yes. I can't fault it one bit. I don't believe one iota of the rubbish I wrote in response to you should happen, that was me being the Devil's Advocate but I can strongly see it happening because it's the realistic thing to happen. I don't think the current authors understand the difference between believability and realism. Really their stuff is more on the side of cynicism but w/e. Point is, when it comes to it, they are not going to stick to a tradition or try to tell a compelling or thoughtful story that goes along with the tone and themes of the previous Halo story; it will be "dark", "gritty" and "realistic" when these two who have have hated each other for 27 years only do what is logical, what they should have done, and continue hating each other. Why would John and Thel be friends? They are a different species. (Who now have incompatible psychologies). Why would John relate to an alien when he can't even relate to Humans properly? Why would Thel be friends with the being that ruined his life essentially? Why should John and Thel be friends? Halo was a space-opera; it had idealistic tenancies (But wasn't idealistic); despite having quite a grimdark setting it had a fairly positive outlook. It was about heroism and romanticism. That was its identity. But that's all gone.

There are answers to all those questions, and they are probably refutable if you WANT to refute them, for whatever reason you would have to do that. In the end, the difference will be that someone may start off with Thel and John's friendship and say "Now, how can something like this work" (Believability) and set out to do it. Whereas now, they look at it from the perspectives of the characters in the context and judge it from the bare facts alone and determine where it should have went and should go in future, ie "Is this strictly realistic? Could this actually happen?", which it very likely is not. It doesn't help that they are trying to make it grimdark either by altering certain facts about the character either.

It would be nice to see Thel and John team up, but will it happen? The current writers are more likely to retcon it away because they can't sufficiently base it on anything substantially realistic, and specifically because it would be "nice". It's not tragic enough, is it? They will likely strip it down to the bare facts of what happened and then reconstruct it to what it "should" have been. They have done it with the Elites already in general: It didn't make sense to them that any Elites could be Human sympathizers, so that was blown away.

That is if Jul 'Mdama doesn't kill Thel first.

tl;dr - Thel and John's friendship, and any sort of Human/Elite cooperation in general, doesn't seem to fit with the new style of Halo. Humanity is basically like a mini-Imperium of Man or something, and the Elites are comparable to the Eldar who look down on filthy Humans.

  • 10.25.2012 5:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
I can see the the Elites turning against Humanity when the Forerunners declare their intentions. It's the only realistic thing that would happen after the beings that you revered now come to you and tell you that you were right in your war with Humanity. Yeah sure, they are not literal gods, but the residual feelings left from that religion would probably be enough to sway them to the Forerunners side. That, and the fact that the Elites actually don't need that religion to find reason to despise Humanity. The Didact is ...

A very good post. However, what if Bornstellar-Didact survives and is the one who appears to the elites first? Ur-Didact seems to be the one upset with humanity, and Bornstellar was good friends with Chakas and Riser. If Bornstellar shows up first and is preaching co-operation then I could see elites and humans getting along. If Ur gets there first, your post will likely ensue. What if they both show up, one saying co-operation, the other saying extermination? It could lead to a civil war between human sympathizes and the human haters, both fith a forerunner who supports their respective views.

  • 10.25.2012 7:04 PM PDT

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Honestly? I think the Halo 4 story is forced. The Didact had no problems with humans in the recent book.

  • 10.25.2012 7:12 PM PDT

Anton1792 I agree on all points. I appreciate 343 going in their own direction with the series, but re-writing and flat out ignoring certain themes, characters and plot points to add drama and make the series "grittier" and more "realistic" has gotten a little annoying. I know they are trying to make the series their own, but the level of retcons seems unnecessary; re-writing Halsey as a cold monster, Infinity inexplicably coming out of nowhere, the Ancient Human-Forerunner back story, ONI becoming pants on head retarded/insane and the Elites sudden abject hatred of Humanity.

343 has injected a lot of good ideas in the series, but the implementation of those ideas haven't been exactly smooth. Enough people have voiced their complaints about how Halsey has been portrayed in the Kilo Five Trilogy so far so I'll skip that and go to Infinity. The idea of an advanced UNSC ship being fielded after the war is no brainer as a logical follow on to Humanities tech progression, but a 3 mile long super ship with loads of Forerunner tech that was being built for over 20 years, never mentioned until now and didn't take place in the battle for Earth? Come on. It would have been more believable if Infinity was an upgraded Trafalgar Class Carrier with energy shields and advanced Covie slip space tech. She wouldn't be as big as a Assault Carrier, but probably give one a run for it's money using hit and run tactics or in a confrontation with a battle group escort. Humanity suddenly having this massive super ship than can wipe the floor with any Covie ship just seems lame.

As for the new Human-Forerunner lore, there are a lot of things I like about; specifically the characters(Didact, Bornstellar and Chakas) and the Precursor lore. But Humanity and the Forerunners being Ancient enemies competing for the Mantle and being completely different species goes against everything in the original trilogy. Bungie hinted several times through out the Trilogy that Forerunners and Humans were essentially one and the same, at the end of Halo-3 Spark flat out says it, the Prophets knew it and tried to destroy Humanity to preserve the Covenant in Contact Harvest(written by Halo-3 lead story writer Joe Staten). Now Spark's comment and MB's are written off as them just being crazy in the new canon. 343 could have kept most of there new plot points with the Forerunner novels by simply making the Human-Forerunner rivalry Human/Forerunner-Precursor rivalry.As for Didact/Forerunners being the new threat in the new trilogy it could have easily been the Precursors. With all the new Forerunner tech being so different and alien from what we've seen in the previous trilogy(Promethean Knights, dis-intergation, using " the force") making them Precursor would easily explain away the inconsistencies.

Then there is ONI. Good lord, they make the old school CIA look saintly and level headed. Of all the brilliant ideas they can hatch after having Humanity just barely survive extinction they try go after the closest thing to an ally Humanity has, the Elites. Granted the Human Elite Alliance in Halo-3 was out of necessity, but as many posters have mention Elites always had a fair level of respect of Humanity and questioned the Prophets over their need to be destroyed. The sudden 180 to all humans must die is a bit jarring, to be fair not all Elites probably want to be BFFs with Humans considering they spent 25 years ruthlessly hunting them down and others would certainly be suspicious and worried that Humanity would try and inflict revenge for an attempted genocide.

There's been a trend going on ever since BSG came out of making everyone in Sci-Fi unlikable A-holes who rarely do the right thing or do the right ting for the wrong reasons and often have a wildly warped view of things. Paragnosky condemming Halsey and making her a scapegoat for all the evil deeds ONI has done over the course of the war, while Maggy herself authorized every single step of the the Spartan program. Kilo 5 being up in arms over what Halsey did, but they seem to be totally okay with Maggy's Spartan 3-s, which by many accounts was a much crueler endeavour than the s-2 program. S-3 may have been willingly conscripted, but they were also traumatized children turned into expendable super-soldiers, the last batch being psychopathic ticking time bombs because of their illegal augmentations. Mendez's sudden hate for Halsey and feeling of moral superiority over here is just dumb. He knew what he was doing when he trained the Spartans; he knew how terrible it was, but also realized it's unfortunate necessity to fight the Covenant. All of this crap feels like un-needed drama to an already dramatic story.

Like I said before, 343 has come up with a lot of great ideas, but their implementation and need re-write much of the back story to make those ideas fit feels totally unnecessary. There was no reason they couldn't have used the pre-established lore as a starting point and gradually implemented their own ideas to make the series their own. It almost feels like an un-intentional kick in the nuts to the story Bungie crafted.

[Edited on 10.25.2012 9:56 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2012 9:54 PM PDT

I see your point Anton, and maybe you're right. It remains to be seen what happens in Halo 4 though - for all we know, R'tas might come in at one point with fleets full of Arbiter supporters. He's been conspicuously absent, and so has anyone else who thinks well of him.

Posted by: cameo_cream
Honestly? I think the Halo 4 story is forced. The Didact had no problems with humans in the recent book.


The Forerunner books have been written alongside Halo 4 - do you think 343i changed their minds halfway through and decided to make the Didact a bad guy?

This was planned all along, from the first page of Cryptum.

  • 10.26.2012 2:44 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Arbiter supporters doesn't mean Sangheili who won't leap at the chance to slaughter Humans. Thel's supporters are less likely to turn on Humanity, but not by much.

And after TTW, the Arbiter doesn't really have any supporters. What little there is that didn't turn on him will never be swayed to his side when he allowed Hood to bomb the rebels. He is basically a dictator who is in power solely because Lord Hood will bomb the -blam!- out of anyone who dares rise up.

In hindsight I wonder what the point of the Arbiter's campaign is for now. It has been almost completely rendered pointless. His struggle for the truth and to lead his people to the path to redemption and honour has been lost.

  • 10.26.2012 7:39 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

I'm so glad this thread has managed to stay totally on-topic and wasn't derailed at all...

  • 10.28.2012 11:01 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
I'm so glad this thread has managed to stay totally on-topic and wasn't derailed at all...


lol, ur thoery sucks.

  • 10.28.2012 2:20 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

It's possible that MB didn't know about the Brevet-mutation between Ur-Didact and Born, and still believes there to be only one Didact. In the end when he sees that the Didact - a Didact - ultimately accepted Humanity, and saw the Librarian trying to save as many Humans as possible and instate them as Reclaimers, he could have concluded that the Didact from his creation simply changed his opinions, not knowing that this was in fact Bornstellar and not the original Didact. He may not know about how the Ur-Didact still hates Humans and wants to prevent their ascendancy. All he knows is that the Didact is on Requiem, and thinks that he is a lot more accepting of Humanity now.

It also had to have been the Ur-Didact on Requiem. Bornsteller found out that the Mantle as the Forerunners believed it was basically BS, and that the Forerunners have no legitimate claim to dominance though it. It is unlikely that he would be using it as justification to prevent Humanity's ascendancy and the Forerunner's return to power.

  • 10.28.2012 4:44 PM PDT

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