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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Spartan-string of numbers...
It took twenty five years as I recall, because the prophets purposefully dragged it out. Combined with cole protocol...The Prophets dragged it out? I don't remember but a refresher would be nice. As far as I know, the only way they dragged it out was by looking for Forerunner artifacts on human planets or attacking important military bases (I.e. Reach). Other than that they went around glassing planets.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
However, the reasons Elites state for hating humanity are laughable. "We are afraid they will expand and colonize and push against our borders!" Hell, what happened to all the glassed colonies between Elite space and Earth?
and "They are all liers!" where the hell did that come from?It's still a reason to worry. The Elites are thinking into the FAR future and really don't want that scenario to happen.
The Soviet Union and the USA were allies against WW2 Germany. After Germany fell, the Soviet Union and the USA became "enemies". Americans were scared of Communism spreading, much like the Elites are scared of Humanity spreading.
The fact that there are so many glassed planets is why the Elites think that humanity will seek revenge. Sure there's "a lot of space" between the two, but back in the Cold War, the USSR and USA had a "lot of space". Nukes could cross the distance easily, but warships in 2552 can cross the space gap as well.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And Coma said merely what bungie had been directly stating or hinting at around halo 3. There was a large movement of elite youth who respected humanity. Said movement ALSO was growing. Combine that with a number of warriors who at least somewhat respected humanity and fought alongside them on the Ark...Well unfortunately we have to go with what 343 has said. Denying Travis's work is like denying that the Earth revolves around the sun. 343, or the scientific community in the sun case, has approved both and should be accepted.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
It's in no way "EVERYBODY" but I'd wager if the majority isn't pro-peace, the majority is "Eh, who cares?" and neutral. Either not respecting humanity, but at the same time not really caring about them and thus not wanting to go to war again.That's what I was getting at. They need to worry about themselves first.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
It really strikes home that the Prophets were revealed to be COMPLETE liers, and the bulk of the Elite forces post battle of the Ark = still holding the EXACT same views as before. The views the Prophets ordered them to have basically. Same viewpoint, different reason. Before it was a religious crusade, now it's simply, as the Elites say, beating Humanity down before they can seek revenge.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Edit: Oh, and don't forget traviss basically ignored the great schism. The Elites on the homeworld don't seem to give a flying -blam!- that the brutes are doing their gardening and plumbing. The brutes that the Return explicitly states the Elites were in an on-going, dragged out war with due to equipment failures. The elites are -blam!- SHOCKED when the brutes plant a bomb and revolt.Did that happen in the Thursday War? I can't remember this in Glasslands, but I could be wrong. Anyways this somewhat irks me about Travis. The Elites shouldn't be shocked, they should have in fact been expecting the worst. However not all Elites are once again a hive mind. The Elites and Brutes that hate each other the most are probably the ones in the Covenant armed forces at the time of the Great Schism. I highly doubt children of both species hate each other. There are even Brutes who stayed loyal to their ship masters. Knowing the Brutes' fragmented nature, I highly doubt ALL of them are at war with the Elites. The Brutes know when to give up, as evidenced by their joining of the Covenant. It is quite possible these are just stubborn packs.
Also, the Elites at this time are more concerned with Humanity than with the Brutes. Why? Who knows. Maybe because the Elites think they can win (they beat the Brute fleet at the ark when the odds were against them).
The Elites probably think Humanity is a greater challenge because they lasted so long against the Covenant, whatever the reasons may be. They also hold Humanity in higher regard (shown by the positive attitidues of some Elites during the Great War, and the fact that they see them as more of a threat). I don't think all the Elites are fully informed of the beginnings of the Human-Covenant war, or why it lasted so long. They only know the Prophets wanted to keep Humanity's role as the reclaimers secret
And no sentient being is capable of NOT being irrational. It is quite likely that there are Elites who HATE humans but don't care about brutes. Much like some humans may HATE blacks but not care about Asians.