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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I respectfully disagree.

Part of the reason we have (and are) a community is that we begin to "know each other". People not only want to make a name or reputation (fame or infamy, each on a sliding scale) for themselves and the longer and more involved with the community they become, the more they know, recognize and will want to interact (or avoid) other members who have created reputations and histories of their own.

Removing OP's name and underplaying an individual (to make their username, avatar, persona less visible and less important) would (IMO) lessen and devalue one of the truly fun, rewarding and positive reasons that I come here. The other people, the good, the bad, and even the ugly.

I agree that WHAT a member posts is important, absolutely. It's important to me for its own discussion value, but it is cumulatively important for me (and the whole community) to build personal histories and understandings of how other members think, post, discuss, debate, argue, flame, help, question, and so on.

There are a great many people on this site with whom I may disagree (depending on the subject at hand) but I have come to respect their opinions, their abilities and them as individuals. I could have only built that personal "monkeysphere of awareness" if I can easily link a name/persona to their posts.

I would not want to diminish that link of a poster to their post.

  • 10.27.2012 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
They should just abolish these stupid mythic member things anyway, what is the point of them other than to display fanboyism in its truest form?
^Mad he's not a mythic member.

  • 10.27.2012 1:31 PM PDT

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I agree with pretty much everything he said I think they are all good ideas.

I always thought it would be better to focus on the post more then the poster. but.....

We shouldn't make it that we don't know who the person is that is posting. I just think people should be more respectful and shouldn't base anything off the person. but again be respectful to everyone who post no matter their title or name or even avatar.

We also shouldn't completely change everything.

Everyone always has something to say no matter who they are.

I also after reading more post above me agree with what people are saying.

I think people should try to on this site to post thoughtfully and make a good reputation that people will want to read your post, but that you should still be respectful to everyone again no matter who they are.

Now if someone decides to not care how they post or not have a good reputation then it is understandable that when people see their name right away they will not read it or only glance at it. Possibly over time they will build a better reputation though.

It really is up to the user to figure out how they want to look at someones post.

Me I try to look at everyones.

[Edited on 10.27.2012 2:13 PM PDT]

  • 10.27.2012 1:57 PM PDT
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*wonders how New Clan Recruitment For Shadow Pack thread gets 55 replies*

*reads "Hi I'm Ashley. . ." *

[Question Answered]

*proceeds to read on, shakes head, and gently laughs*

Nope, its fine gtfo, OP.

  • 10.27.2012 1:59 PM PDT

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This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends;
Not with a bang but a whimper.

Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
I'm not a fanboy.
I'm not. I just enjoy hanging out on these forums. Maybe you should have my blue bar.

  • 10.27.2012 2:10 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
You claim not to be a fanboy yet you are obviously recognised as one and that is why you are a mythic member.

Per your demands in a certain other thread, I'm quoting this so that everyone on the forum knows why you won't be posting for the next two weeks.

  • 10.27.2012 6:05 PM PDT
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  • 10.27.2012 6:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: BobBQ
Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
You claim not to be a fanboy yet you are obviously recognised as one and that is why you are a mythic member.

Per your demands in a certain other thread, I'm quoting this so that everyone on the forum knows why you won't be posting for the next two weeks.
You're a gentleman and a scholar, Bob.

  • 10.27.2012 6:09 PM PDT

Posted by: BobBQ
Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
You claim not to be a fanboy yet you are obviously recognised as one and that is why you are a mythic member.

Per your demands in a certain other thread, I'm quoting this so that everyone on the forum knows why you won't be posting for the next two weeks.
Because he's a fool.

  • 10.27.2012 6:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Grimaldus
Posted by: BobBQ
Posted by: I0 NotGinger 0I
You claim not to be a fanboy yet you are obviously recognised as one and that is why you are a mythic member.

Per your demands in a certain other thread, I'm quoting this so that everyone on the forum knows why you won't be posting for the next two weeks.
Because he's a fool.

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  • 10.27.2012 6:30 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Terrible idea. Employee posts and locked topics are very, very inherently different things and should be treated as such. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a topic letting you know if an employee has posted in it. I can actually see your system leading to many pointless thread-openings. "What do you guys think about Halo 4?" in the community forum with this new tag on it could either indicate that an employee has cleared up with somebody what they think of Halo 4 for some reason, or an actual lock. Let's say I click on it to see. If it's a lock, I just wasted my time and there is no employee post of this nature at all. Now, if it's an employee post and I just assume it's a lock and don't open it, I could've missed something I may have wanted to read.

It's a terrible mix.
The tag would appear on a topic when it is displayed in the forums. You wouldn't need to open it to see if it's locked. It's merely a compromise for removing the icons but allowing locked/employee topics to be indicated in some way.

The specific problem you brought up about an employee posting in a Halo 4 topic could be alleviated by allowing them to toggle their ability to post in an official context or not.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
PinLocked is clearly meant to be a notice, and Pinned is a pinned topic for discussion. They're two very different things, and making them the same thing is pointless.
I never said they should be the same.

A pinned and locked topic would appear in the pinned topics section and have the "locked tag" as I explained in the section above it regarding locked topics.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Stops pointless necrobumps.
If I had the ability to hide topics at will or sort the forum then that it pretty much irrelevant.

To bring up another point though, why should topics expire and what do you think is the most appropriate time to make them expire?

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Didn't Acky say this'd be annoying to do?
No.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Who replied lastIn the context of forums in general, your point is irrelevant. If you honestly can't see the point behind wanting to jump to the end of a thread then I have no idea how you're articulate enough to have typed this all out because the advantage and point is rather clear.
I never said we shouldn't have a link to the end of a topic.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Avatar
Yeah. That's right. Take away a major way people identify themselves and others within the community and make the forums overall more boring. That'd make this place so much better. Great idea, daz.
OK, so you don't like the idea of removing them. How about the other ideas I listed?

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
TitleExcept for administrative titles (Employee, Ninja, etc...) and perhaps an indicator for who the OP is (a nice little addition IMO) titles are kind of silly and a waste of space here. I don't really care if they continue to exist, but I don't like the fact they exist in a context where they have little meaning and are bigger than the actual post text. Having them in the panel I was talking about might look nice, and would be appropriate if I cared to learn more about a specific user.
Again, this is something for fun. This is something for identification. This is something clearly not necessary but that people like because it adds something to the forums in a way other sites don't do it. Not everything has to be essential. Why do you want to strip the site down to the bare minimum? What the -blam!- is the point of that?
Again, that wasn't the point.

The idea is to try to restructure/reformat the way topics and posts are listed so that whatever content is most important in whatever context it's in is displayed more prominently than user metadata (avatars, usernames, etc...).

For instance, when I open up a topic, why does author information of a post appear before the post rather than after, below, or beside it? Is having it above the post and being the first thing I read really the best place for this to go considering the post they have made is arguably more important than who made it? Is this user information really so important that it needs to be placed where it is?

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Message user link
You could make a similar argument for just about anything, so I don't think that's a good enough justification for it being there.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
(and it seems more intuitive to initiate sending a PM from a profile page anyway).Not even a little. It CLEARLY takes longer to do that, so why would I do it?
I can't imagine anyone is sending messages that often that an extra page-load is of any detriment to them.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
2) Inclusion of an English-like timestamp.In the same vein of "this is an english-speaking game developer's website so deal with the fact that you have to speak and read english": This is an American game developer's website so deal with the fact that you have to deal with an American way of writing dates. The fact that you want this displays a pretty clear double standard.
I think you may have misunderstood this.

When I say "English-like", I'm not referring to some standard format only used by [the] English. I'm referring to the way you would read the timestamp. A timestamp which says "Today at 5:01 PM" is FAR more readable by everyone instead of the current confusing format (American date formatting is illogical).


Posted by: Great_Pretender
*shrug* I dunno, seems fine. Forums are meant to be for you to express YOUR opinion, not an anonymous one. I don't see a problem with having a name attached to posts.-TGP-
Just to be clear, I never said or implied we should get rid of usernames.

  • 10.28.2012 1:48 AM PDT

Кланяються мені!

I think "Local Timezone Settings" would be a more sufficient description for your time suggestion. Pretty self explanatory, and it is something I have been waiting on in these forums for nearly 7 years.

  • 10.28.2012 3:07 AM PDT

There comes a time in every mans life... and that time is not now.

Who's that focusing on the posts and less on the people who make them? r c takedown, r c takedown, r c takedooooooooowwwnnnn

  • 10.28.2012 3:34 AM PDT

Posted by: ecartman1214
I think "Local Timezone Settings" would be a more sufficient description for your time suggestion. Pretty self explanatory, and it is something I have been waiting on in these forums for nearly 7 years.

I agree!

  • 10.28.2012 3:47 AM PDT
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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

wow, that was a very long post. I like seeing all the details next to the thread subject, it should be kept like that.

  • 10.28.2012 4:19 AM PDT
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I think the current system works pretty well. I don't really see how you can implement major changes to the system of present. Maybe some minor tweaks as you've suggested, but nothing major.

  • 10.28.2012 4:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Great_Pretender
*shrug* I dunno, seems fine. Forums are meant to be for you to express YOUR opinion, not an anonymous one. I don't see a problem with having a name attached to posts. -TGP-

Just to be clear, I never said or implied we should get rid of usernames.

I'm aware of this, but any changes you've suggested revolve around removing the prominence of usernames, or any other identifying factors around someone's post. I wasn't speaking literally; I don't see a problem with having a name as prominent as it is currently.

Most of your suggestions simply revolve around either removing or reducing the prominence of any identifying factors, and I see no reason to do so. And then some silly suggestions like deleting the 'message user' button on posts. Why? Is it in the way of something?

I just don't see the point. Besides local timestamps which is a good idea it just sounds like you're trying to shake up the status quo when it doesn't need shaking. Up.

-TGP-

  • 10.28.2012 5:49 AM PDT

Per Audacia Ad Astra

I agree completely with the uselessness of knowing the last reply, date of last reply and pager links. When the page goes beyond 5 I ignore everything in between the first and final page, the discussion 'flow' is usually identifiable on the last page of each topic anyway.

As for avatars, I spend too much time considering what avatar to have. If I had any prominent decisions, I would remove avatars completely. What matters is the discussion, not a user's appearance.

I concur.

  • 10.28.2012 5:59 AM PDT
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  • 10.28.2012 6:14 AM PDT

Posted by: A Bit Of Zero
This thread would have appealed to me more if it was written with crayons.
Posted by: King Dutchy
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oh my god its dazarobbo!

Seriously though, its true that sometimes comments are aimed more at the author than the actual post. But, it's a small price to pay for having a better perspective of each thread as well as giving it some sort of context.
Most importantly though it gives the community an identity.

[Edited on 10.28.2012 6:30 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 6:25 AM PDT

<3

Hold on, you want to take AWAY our AVATARS!!! I think you would lose more people than you think, as of now, avatars are our only way to truly distinguish ourselves other than boring name.

  • 10.28.2012 6:31 AM PDT

Per Audacia Ad Astra

Interesting, don't you think?

  • 10.28.2012 6:51 AM PDT

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