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/ daza's personal ideal Bungie.net

  • 10.28.2012 6:53 AM PDT

Key

I never said they should be the same.

A pinned and locked topic would appear in the pinned topics section and have the "locked tag" as I explained in the section above it regarding locked topics
If things that aren't locked have the same tags as locked threads how are you supposed to tell them apart from locked threads?

You could make a similar argument for just about anything, so I don't think that's a good enough justification for it being there.Okay, but why make it more complicated? More difficult? If you've got an easy way to do something, even if it took more work to set it up, why get rid of it just because it doesn't need to exist? I don't see a point in removing something just because it's not a necessity, especially when it makes a mundane task easier.

I think you may have misunderstood this.

When I say "English-like", I'm not referring to some standard format only used by [the] English. I'm referring to the way you would read the timestamp. A timestamp which says "Today at 5:01 PM" is FAR more readable by everyone instead of the current confusing format (American date formatting is illogical).
What about if it was a month ago? Or two months? Or 3 days ago?

The idea is to try to restructure/reformat the way topics and posts are listed so that whatever content is most important in whatever context it's in is displayed more prominently than user metadata (avatars, usernames, etc...).

For instance, when I open up a topic, why does author information of a post appear before the post rather than after, below, or beside it? Is having it above the post and being the first thing I read really the best place for this to go considering the post they have made is arguably more important than who made it? Is this user information really so important that it needs to be placed where it is?
OK, so you don't like the idea of removing them. How about the other ideas I listed?I really don't understand your push to depersonalize BNet. Which is really what you're doing. Call it "focusing on content" or "getting rid of useless stuff" or "reorganizing", but, at its base, this is essentially just depersonalizing BNet. Haven't you ever seen threads where people talk about how sometimes they don't even look at usernames, but recognize people by their avatar? This is because that person has created and maintained an identity, and make a social and personal link to that avatar as they post.

Call it whatever you want ("taking the internet too seriously is one of my favorites"), but that is what it is. Shrinking the avatar has literally no point other than to depersonalize someone, make it harder for them to maintain an identity here. It's the metaphorical equivalent of stealing a kids lollipop and giving them spinach. Sure, he/she still has something to eat, but it just became -blam!-ier for no apparent reason if only for the fact that he/she didn't need to have that lollipop to survive as a human being as far as sustenance goes.

As far as the title ideas you brought up go, shockingly enough I still disagree with those as well, though surprisingly not as vehemently. I am okay with your long-exhibited want to have titles mean something more. That is not an issue for me. What is an issue for me is your want to take something that personalizes and identifies a user and make it even less prominent. This identification between reader and author is important, as it provides both context and a personal atmosphere when reading and considering the posts people make and the things people say.

Now, hopefully this isn't too revolutionary of a thought, as I find it quite obvious, but who makes a post matters. If this thread was made by somebody with the default avatar who joined 3 months ago and was giving us all a review of the site's issues as far as the layout of the forum and specific posts go, I would not have taken it nearly as seriously. In fact, some of the things in the thread (i.e. getting rid of avatars on posts) may have raised a red flag to thinly-veiled trolling. But it wasn't someone who joined 3 months ago who has the default avatar who made this post, it was you. And I know you to be someone who has thoughts different from other on how this site should look and function, and therefore I was willing to adjust my scope of believability to encompass the fact that you want to get rid of avatars on posts. All of this, because you made a post and not someone else. And, the moment I saw your avatar at the top of the thread and your salmon-colored title bar, I knew that I would be in for a well-thought-out explanation of an overhaul (for better or worse) of BNet and how it works.

This kind of author-to-post connection cannot be achieved without a prominent title bar and avatar. Because I'm not going to hover over everyones name in a thread to see what title they have, what color their bar is (presumably the panel would be the same color) and what avatar they have. That's something I do passively. I associate people with avatars with titles back with people passively. I didn't log off one day and start making flashcards with people's avatars on one side and their usernames on the over to start the association I've made over time. I just made the association over time. And there's no reason to remove that association people can make, just because it's non-essential.

Sure, you can take the wrapping paper away from a Christmas gift, but now it's all boring. "But no," you say, "the wrapping paper is inside the box, once you open it you can see it all." All this while you sit there with a Christmas tree, its base laden with ugly, brown boxes. Way to ruin Christmas, daza.

[Edited on 10.28.2012 7:47 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 7:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Bungie Sam
Interesting, don't you think?
Push the post area all the way over to the left as well.

I just went and had a look at a handful of other forums on the web to compare post area. I wasn't able to find one smaller than Bungie.net's.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If things that aren't locked have the same tags as locked threads how are you supposed to tell them apart from locked threads?
Why would an unlocked topic have the same tags as a locked topic? I think you've gotten confused.

All I'm suggesting is adding a little "[locked]" tag alongside any topic which is locked. For pinned and locked topics it would mean that any topic within the pinned topics section (portion of the page above the rest of the topics on page 1) which is locked stays there but also has a "[locked]" tag appended to it.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
What about if it was a month ago? Or two months? Or 3 days ago?
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
the rest...
Why do people need such an overbearing and prominent "identity" in the forums? Is it perhaps because they want to be recognised? So others can see they belong to some kind of group/clique? Justify how this recognition/identity is relevant or needed in a discussion in the forums, keeping in mind that these "identities" affect the displaying of forum posts.

Secondly, why isn't the contents of my signature displayed at the bottom of each of my posts? Should it?

  • 10.28.2012 9:02 AM PDT

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Identity. Of coarse user wan't identity it seems like you wan't to make this place like a bunch of zombies. Like your turning bungie.net into a serious live, or die type thing. We are here to enjoy each other, and have fun. The avatars the titles they all make it fun around here. I wouldn't know Burritosenior that well if it was for that bomb mustache avatar. Identity makes this place. Knowing someones history makes this place. If someone has a bad history of insulting, or spamming users, you would wan't to avoid that right.

  • 10.28.2012 9:26 AM PDT

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Daz, I got mad respect for you bro, but when Bungie designed b.net they stumbled on a formula that works. Part of that formula is the identity that one can create here. Sterilising the identities here would break the formula, and we would have just another website. Personally,I think your to close to the subject. Take a step back, and remember what got you coming back here in the first place, then refine those concepts, and distill them 'till it kills.

  • 10.28.2012 9:27 AM PDT

You might like 4chan.
Posted by: dazarobbo

  • 10.28.2012 9:29 AM PDT

Key

Why would an unlocked topic have the same tags as a locked topic? I think you've gotten confused.

All I'm suggesting is adding a little "[locked]" tag alongside any topic which is locked. For pinned and locked topics it would mean that any topic within the pinned topics section (portion of the page above the rest of the topics on page 1) which is locked stays there but also has a "[locked]" tag appended to it.
Okay, that makes more sense. I still don't see the relationship between locked threads and employee posts but I understand the overall concept. I still like the idea of having a locked icon, but maybe as an overlay on top of what the thread used to be. A locked hot-topic, a locked employee-posted thread, a locked pinned topic, etc. etc.

Intro to answering questions, feel free to skip.Identities are important because without them we'd just be 4chan minus the images. I'm well aware that you're not suggesting the removal of usernames in favor of an anon# system, but the point is that we're a community. We're not just another fan-forum. I know that sounds a little elitist or exaggerated, but it's not in my opinion.

The FIFA 13 online forums may just be a forum to discuss FIFA 13 with an off-topic section. The Call of Duty online forums may just be a forum to discuss Call of Duty with an off-topic section. The fan-generated Civlization forums may just be a place where people go to argue about which sort of tile with which sort of resource is best to settle your first city on if you're Rome and the difficulty is set to Deity (with an off-topic section). But Bungie.net is not like that, especially not now. It's a community discussing things that are mainly not related to Halo and mainly not related to video games (excluding Destiny). We're no longer a sea of faceless names that you don't recognize as long as you've been here more than 2 or 3 months. And the avatars and titles are an extension of that community atmosphere.

And yes, we could go around posting and just objectively respond to a post made by someone in a thread as if it were a prompt presented before you in English class. But why would I do that when I could respond to YOU. dazarobbo. A person. I don't want to respond to a sea of faceless names that I can't easily and readily relate to an identity.

As mentioned above, we're a community, not just a place to come ask questions about a game. And how well do communities function (outside 4chan and other anonymous image boards) without any sort of identity or way to tell "erlmixer" from "gamejunkiejoseph"?

Now that that's out of the way I'll more specifically answer your questions individually.

Why do people need such an overbearing and prominent "identity" in the forums?The system you're proposing has in it next to no identity at all, so to call the current system one where a given user has "an overbearing and prominent 'identity'", is a little silly. Coup is more of an example of an overbearing and prominent identity.

But, for argument's sake, let's say that that is what I'm lobbying for: an overbearing and prominent identity. I would argue that this is necessary for a community of this nature. Community's function because of the relationships developed therein. Imagine if, in your high school (or secondary school or whatever you Aussies call it), everyone walked around with a mask on. The same mask. The Guy Fawkes mask, for example. And, the only time you saw someone's face was when they were talking directly to you (you would move your mask up so you could see one another). How disconcerting would that be? On top of that, everyone, boy and girl, wore the same, boring, gray t-shirt and the same, boring, gray pants, accentuated by a mandated pair of of the same, boring, gray shoes. Within the community that is your [whatever] school, you would never be able to tell anybody from anybody else apart from a "Hello, my name is ______" sticker on their shirt.

How incredibly difficult would it be to develop relationships with people or identify one another?

Is it perhaps because they want to be recognised?Yes, but not in a "Look at me! Look at me!" sort of way, but more of a "Hello, I'm a person and not just a post." sort of way. Recognizing people on here is a way to identify more with the community at large, and to attempt to belittle the idea of community by depersonalizing everyone as a whole and making identification and recognition more and more difficult undermines the very reason lots of people are here: for the community (whether that be that of the Flood or the Septagon).

So others can see they belong to some kind of group/clique?If this is an attempt to associate the displaying of title bars with the idea of "I'm a ______ member so I'm cool" or something like that, then that's not what I'm getting at at all. If it's more of a sincere question of whether or not people want to appear as if they belong to a group, even if that group is as vaguely defined as "People who regular Bungie.net", then yes. I think that definitely is something people want. And the more identified and the more they stand out from the two users above and below them, the more they can identify as a person within a community rather than a user within a website.

Secondly, why isn't the contents of my signature displayed at the bottom of each of my posts? Should it?Signatures, while an even further extension of the identification and differentiation between User A and User B, are easily abused and often not utilized the way they're meant to. They're a signature, a way to sign your post. Not a place to post your favorite quote or advertise your off-site Forge Forum or YouTube channel, and they're too commonly misused to warrant their utilization. If you want to sign your post, sign it. Manually. With whatever moniker you wish to give yourself. People like yorkie, Delta, TGP, and (from what I gather) BB have proven that if you do this manually it helps loads more with creating an identity than does a signature full of your Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Myspace, Tumblr, Flickr, Blogger, Digg, and YouTube information.

[Edited on 10.28.2012 10:01 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 10:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Breadisgood91
You might like 4chan.
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  • 10.28.2012 10:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I respectfully disagree.

Part of the reason we have (and are) a community is that we begin to "know each other". People not only want to make a name or reputation (fame or infamy, each on a sliding scale) for themselves and the longer and more involved with the community they become, the more they know, recognize and will want to interact (or avoid) other members who have created reputations and histories of their own.

Removing OP's name and underplaying an individual (to make their username, avatar, persona less visible and less important) would (IMO) lessen and devalue one of the truly fun, rewarding and positive reasons that I come here. The other people, the good, the bad, and even the ugly.

I agree that WHAT a member posts is important, absolutely. It's important to me for its own discussion value, but it is cumulatively important for me (and the whole community) to build personal histories and understandings of how other members think, post, discuss, debate, argue, flame, help, question, and so on.

There are a great many people on this site with whom I may disagree (depending on the subject at hand) but I have come to respect their opinions, their abilities and them as individuals. I could have only built that personal "monkeysphere of awareness" if I can easily link a name/persona to their posts.

I would not want to diminish that link of a poster to their post.
Was going to post something similar to this, but Recon said it better so I will just agree with him.

  • 10.28.2012 12:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: dazarobbo
Supports friends list, but doesn't want people to know who anyone is so they can make friends.

  • 10.28.2012 12:51 PM PDT

Per Audacia Ad Astra

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Bungie Sam
Interesting, don't you think?
Push the post area all the way over to the left as well.
Is this accurate?

  • 10.28.2012 1:31 PM PDT

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Date of the last reply

Considering that the forum is sorted chronologically by default, this isn't really all that useful (especially when I can just go into the topic and look at the last reply). The only time this might be useful is if you could sort the forums by different criteria (eg. reply count, etc...).

If it were kept, do the same with the date posted and change it to relative time and include a local timestamp on rollover.
What!? Date of last reply is useful because you know if its active before you go into the thread.

Q. Why would you want to go to the last post?
A.1. To discuss the topic.
A.2. You want to get an update on a thread you have already read.

Q. How do you know the discussion is still alive?
A. You look at the last reply date.

This is very relevant to topics that are on the front page now, like: "How is everyone dealing with the darkness?" You don't need to read the first post because the question fits in the title.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 2:03 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 1:48 PM PDT

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  • 10.29.2012 2:41 PM PDT

I really, REALLY agree with the part about how time should be displayed. As a Eurofriend who lives in a UTC+0 country, PDT and PST have absolutely no meaning at all for me.


Although I agree that avatars are worthless, they serve a very practical purpose to me: I use them to separate posts.
Entire walls of text are very difficult to skim through, so having a colorful, variable picture separating each post is a very easy way for my eyes to figure out the layout of the page even while scrolling.
This is also why I think pushing the user's metadata to the bottom of his post, especially the avatar, would make it harder to comprehend how posts are laid out (there's a reason why titles are always above the text body).


Finally, I like how small the post area's length is: 300+ characters lines are impossible to read, whereas 80-100 are fairly easy. About 60 would be ideal for me, though.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 3:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 3:14 PM PDT

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  • 10.29.2012 3:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I find myself disagreeing with almost everything you have said. I like the layout and I see no reason to remove avatars and/or titles from the post and put them in a drop down box. For starters, I browse B.net on mobile, so a scroll over box wouldn't work for me. Secondly, avatars and titles are what I use to identify members. If I see the mustach bomb I know it is Burrito, if I see the Superintendent, I know it is Lobster Fish. Taking that away would remove one of the features I really, truly enjoy; that of identification.

I also disagree with the idea of removing the last post date and user. Sometimes I looked at a thread that I was only mildly interested in because a user I recognized was posting there and I was curious about what they are up to. If I was in a discussion, I also look to see if the user I was talking to had psted, so I could check for a reply. It is also convenient to just click the last post time stamp and automatically jump to the newest posts, especially if you have been following the topic regularily and you want to get to the newest post quicker.

  • 10.29.2012 3:37 PM PDT

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  • 10.29.2012 6:57 PM PDT

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Great idea I would fully support this.

  • 10.30.2012 1:31 AM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
On community identities...
A couple of things to say about this.

1) You made a comparison to 4chan on the basis of anonymity, then redacted the comment while acknowledging that's not what I stated the site should act like.

2) Look at how the forum on a site like Reddit is structured. It has even less elements to each post that what I'm suggesting, yet identities aren't lost; it's still a "community" (search on Google for how Reddit users have even had get-togethers and meetups not unlike Bungie.net's community). This kind of interaction and sense of community isn't limited to Reddit, either. Other sites with limited "identities" (and all I'm referring to is the forum!) still have users who recognise each other. Hell, look at how Usenet worked in its heyday and there's an extremely good example of a kind of community with extremely limited identities (just usernames and email addresses mostly). Slashdot is another good example, IMO (take a look at how user information is represented on comments).

Edit: one of the other reasons you probably get a greater sense of "the community" here is because this forum is generally used by the same people. So I don't think this is something that is appropriate to claim when you consider the entire population of the site. That last point I think is especially relevant in times of high traffic. This forum for as long as I can remember has generally had the same amount of traffic. The same cannot be said for others like the game forums.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Why do people need such an overbearing and prominent "identity" in the forums?The system you're proposing has in it next to no identity at all, so to call the current system one where a given user has "an overbearing and prominent 'identity'", is a little silly. Coup is more of an example of an overbearing and prominent identity.
Actually I was talking about the current setup and why you seem to think we need what I referred to as an "overbearing and prominent identity", not what I'm suggesting. I was merely asking you why our so-called identities need to be displayed the way they are and not in a different/reduced way or prominence.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
So others can see they belong to some kind of group/clique?If this is an attempt to associate the displaying of title bars with the idea of "I'm a ______ member so I'm cool" or something like that, then that's not what I'm getting at at all. If it's more of a sincere question of whether or not people want to appear as if they belong to a group, even if that group is as vaguely defined as "People who regular Bungie.net", then yes. I think that definitely is something people want. And the more identified and the more they stand out from the two users above and below them, the more they can identify as a person within a community rather than a user within a website.
I agree. I don't particularly have a problem with identifying users - or giving them an identity for that matter - what I do find to be a problem is giving the details of those identities in places where they aren't so relevant or necessary (at least in place of other features or in such a way that they negatively impact the necessary elements within a certain context). In this particular discussion we're having, I'm only interested in talking about the identities as they are displayed in the forums.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Secondly, why isn't the contents of my signature displayed at the bottom of each of my posts? Should it?Signatures, while an even further extension of the identification and differentiation between User A and User B, are easily abused and often not utilized the way they're meant to. They're a signature, a way to sign your post. Not a place to post your favorite quote or advertise your off-site Forge Forum or YouTube channel, and they're too commonly misused to warrant their utilization. If you want to sign your post, sign it. Manually. With whatever moniker you wish to give yourself. People like yorkie, Delta, TGP, and (from what I gather) BB have proven that if you do this manually it helps loads more with creating an identity than does a signature full of your Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Myspace, Tumblr, Flickr, Blogger, Digg, and YouTube information.
Firstly, who are you to tell someone what they should or shouldn't be putting in there or what's acceptable or not? Where's the sense of identification, personalisation, and individuality which you've been championing if I'm restricted to posting an actual signature? Where's the "fun" in that, as you were referring to such features earlier? Restricting this doesn't seem all that different from removing some other element in a forum post which might help uniquely identify a user, like an avatar or title.

For the record, it's actually labelled an "About Me" section, too.


Posted by: Xplode441
Supports friends list, but doesn't want people to know who anyone is so they can make friends.
In case someone misses it in the pool of text above, I'm only referring to removing some of the identifying features associated with a user in the forums and in a forum post, potentially for enhancing the readability and usability of the forums themselves and to make way (and room!) for other features to be included.


Posted by: IggyhopperThe wording on this part was a little off on my part, sorry. The last post date should be kept, but changed to relative time instead.


Posted by: Pulse Cloud
Although I agree that avatars are worthless, they serve a very practical purpose to me: I use them to separate posts.
Entire walls of text are very difficult to skim through, so having a colorful, variable picture separating each post is a very easy way for my eyes to figure out the layout of the page even while scrolling.
This was something I was hoping someone was going to bring up at some point because yes, I absolutely agree that avatars separate posts nicely. However, could it be done in a different/better way that leaves more room for post contents?

Posted by: Pulse Cloud
This is also why I think pushing the user's metadata to the bottom of his post, especially the avatar, would make it harder to comprehend how posts are laid out (there's a reason why titles are always above the text body).
If user data is at the bottom of posts, it's still going to act as a separator for them.

Posted by: Pulse Cloud
Finally, I like how small the post area's length is: 300+ characters lines are impossible to read, whereas 80-100 are fairly easy. About 60 would be ideal for me, though.
I disagree. I think this is one of the reasons (aka. problems) we have such massive walls of text here; there simply isn't enough room for posts. Dynamically expanding posts would obviously work pretty well for this, but I've never really been a fan of them (or that kind of page presentation).


Posted by: Xd00999
For starters, I browse B.net on mobile, so a scroll over box wouldn't work for me.
The main site is not formatted for mobile devices. This is not a good argument.

Posted by: Xd00999
Secondly, avatars and titles are what I use to identify members.
Apart from administrative titles, what purpose does a title serve in a discussion? How is it relevant to the discussion?

Posted by: Xd00999
I also disagree with the idea of removing the last post date and user. Sometimes I looked at a thread that I was only mildly interested in because a user I recognized was posting there and I was curious about what they are up to. If I was in a discussion, I also look to see if the user I was talking to had psted, so I could check for a reply.
I contend that this is the kind of functionality you would want from a friends list (and would be more appropriately placed there), not by the default forum view.

[Edited on 10.30.2012 7:44 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 7:40 PM PDT

Key

Response to Section the First, the Second, and the Third: And that's all well and good that those communities have managed to, without the level of identification we have the good fortune to have access to here on BNet, create such tight-knit communities. However, I see no real reason to diminish the way in which these identities are presented (whether you believe them to be prominent or otherwise).

Are they really getting in your way?

Are you honestly irked every time you have to begrudgingly wade your way through the sea and mess of individuality that are the title bar and avatar?

Are they that glaringly obtrusive that you would see them diminished in size, relevance, importance, distinction, let alone existence just so satisfy your confusing and (IMO) malevolent goals of seeing a BNet that now has significantly less identification between members and has become a series of different news articles upon which one may comment and read the comments of others in a uniform, vanilla, boring, grayscale fashion? If you answered yes to any of those, why?

Why is the current set up such a nuisance and what feature(s) is it getting in the way of?

Response to Section the Fourth: About Me sections are never put after posts. Not on those sites you mentioned. Not on any other mainstream or well-organized forum. Not anywhere. And certainly not on BNet. You know what is put after a post? Signatures. Which are misused. If people somehow managed to hack their avatars and make them a 9000x9000 animated .gif's, then that would be a -blam!-load of personalization, and yet would be abusing and misusing a feature.

[Edited on 10.30.2012 8:21 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 8:20 PM PDT

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  • 10.30.2012 8:23 PM PDT

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Response to Section the First, the Second, and the Third: And that's all well and good that those communities have managed to, without the level of identification we have the good fortune to have access to here on BNet, create such tight-knit communities. However, I see no real reason to diminish the way in which these identities are presented (whether you believe them to be prominent or otherwise).

Are they really getting in your way?

Are you honestly irked every time you have to begrudgingly wade your way through the sea and mess of individuality that are the title bar and avatar?
I've already given reasons why I think there should be less emphasis on users.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Are they that glaringly obtrusive that you would see them diminished in size, relevance, importance, distinction, let alone existence just so satisfy your confusing and (IMO) malevolent goals of seeing a BNet that now has significantly less identification between members and has become a series of different news articles upon which one may comment and read the comments of others in a uniform, vanilla, boring, grayscale fashion? If you answered yes to any of those, why?

Why is the current set up such a nuisance and what feature(s) is it getting in the way of?
Again, I've given reasons, specifically in the OP.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Response to Section the Fourth: About Me sections are never put after posts. Not on those sites you mentioned. Not on any other mainstream or well-organized forum. Not anywhere. And certainly not on BNet. You know what is put after a post? Signatures. Which are misused. If people somehow managed to hack their avatars and make them a 9000x9000 animated .gif's, then that would be a -blam!-load of personalization, and yet would be abusing and misusing a feature.
The reason I asked the question is because you're championing user identities in the forums, so why be content with what we have at the moment when we could have more user individuality with the inclusion of the customisable about me/signature boxes that are displayed in the forums?

You're wrong about them not being shown on other forums as well. Look at the forums for Battlefield 3, Minecraft, EA, Gearbox, etc... and you'll see they all do. So tell me why they shouldn't be here.

  • 10.30.2012 8:54 PM PDT
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Interesting, don't you think?
Push the post area all the way over to the left as well.
Is this accurate?


Looks terrible IMO.

  • 10.30.2012 9:09 PM PDT

Key

Even after having read every post you've made towards me and the OP I have absolutely no specific idea why you dislike and abhor the utilization of avatars and title bars other than the ridiculous "we don't need them"-reason that you so avidly (from what I can remember) argued against in all of the social features, friends list, etc. threads.

It seems so ridiculously hypocritical that I must insist that you tell me your real argument, reason, or otherwise. The one that isn't completely ridiculous.

  • 10.30.2012 9:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Even after having read every post you've made towards me and the OP I have absolutely no specific idea why you dislike and abhor the utilization of avatars and title bars other than the ridiculous "we don't need them"-reason that you so avidly (from what I can remember) argued against in all of the social features, friends list, etc. threads.

It seems so ridiculously hypocritical that I must insist that you tell me your real argument, reason, or otherwise. The one that isn't completely ridiculous.
Could this not be his point entirely? You wrote off his reasons because they conflict with what you believe he said previously. We all take a bias on these forums, and we judge others, but we also all change our minds sometimes. Should we be given a fresh slate all the time? No. Should we be given the benfit of the doubt? Yes.

I like the idea of focusing more on what people have to say than on who they are, however I feel that this is something one has to do themselves, and not something that a system could apply (whilst still keeping the social feel that I, and I hope others, have come to enjoy on Bungie.net). Yet we should continue the discussion to see if we can discover new ways that such a system could be implemented, and who knows? Perhaps we will find a way to encourage thoughtful dialog and friendly interaction all together.

With that said, arguments without reasons are like sandcastles at the beach--they can look good or look terrible, but at the end of the day, the tide washes them all away the same.

Carry on.

[Edited on 10.30.2012 9:44 PM PDT]

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