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Subject: Is 343 trying to go down a more CEish approach with Halo 4?

Since Halo 4 is the first of a new series of games for Halo, is 343 trying to make it more like Halo CE? I don't mean gameplay wise, but the lack of playable elites, and no new vehicles? Are they possibly saving these things for future games?

  • 10.27.2012 4:05 PM PDT

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They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.

  • 10.27.2012 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.
They're*

OT:I doubt it

  • 10.27.2012 6:19 PM PDT


Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


This is one opinion I not only disagree with, but can't even see how it's possible to have.

  • 10.27.2012 6:21 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


This is one opinion I not only disagree with, but can't even see how it's possible to have.

With CE-What is this?What is happening?What is that?How does that work?What is that fcking thing?!?

Halo 4-Boon there's the forerunners!Boon there's the elites!
Boon there's the jackals!Boon there's the weapons!Boon there's the the game mechanics!

Ce-mistery.
halo4-overseen field.

  • 10.27.2012 6:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


This is one opinion I not only disagree with, but can't even see how it's possible to have.

With CE-What is this?What is happening?What is that?How does that work?What is that fcking thing?!?

Halo 4-Boon there's the forerunners!Boon there's the elites!
Boon there's the jackals!Boon there's the weapons!Boon there's the the game mechanics!

Ce-mistery.
halo4-overseen field.


Eh, I dunno about that. From the screenshots I've seen, they're capturing the epic, expansive scenery and skyboxes from Halo 2. That > mystery-ness, I think.

  • 10.27.2012 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


Dude I completely agree with you.

343i's way of making it having the same mystery as Halo: CE is by basically making Halo: CE

Want to disagree with me? Here what does this sound like:

Master Chief wakes up from Cryo sleep when suddenly he realizes he's being attacked by Aliens! Soon he makes his way of his ship that is being destroyed and crash on a mysterious Alien world that no one has seen before. On his world he fights this Alien force known as the Covenant and encounters a new mechanical force made by an ancient civilization and encounters they're leader and find out it's a bad guy.

Sound Familiar?

[Edited on 10.27.2012 9:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.27.2012 9:43 PM PDT


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


This is one opinion I not only disagree with, but can't even see how it's possible to have.

With CE-What is this?What is happening?What is that?How does that work?What is that fcking thing?!?

Halo 4-Boon there's the forerunners!Boon there's the elites!
Boon there's the jackals!Boon there's the weapons!Boon there's the the game mechanics!

Ce-mistery.
halo4-overseen field.
You could simpfly CE the same way you did with Halo 4.

CE - Boom mysterious "planet"! Boom aliens! Boom you crash! Boom more aliens! Boom scary zombies! Boom explosion!

  • 10.27.2012 9:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


This is one opinion I not only disagree with, but can't even see how it's possible to have.
CE--the game itself--featured so little exhibition that it forced the players to think for themselves. Halo 4 is loaded with exhibition and heavy on set pieces, which forces focus on the apparent. On top of that, the level design is streamlined and closed in a completely different way than CE; there are more mechanics that guide the player than there were in CE, and the way one is allowed to move around in the levels is a lot more restricted. Even the design works against Halo 4 since it's so overworked and complicated that it dulls the senses; it is near impossible to associate the amount of glowing effects and lights, and convoluted geometry with anything that is mysterious, the game is at times damn near abstract.

Mysteriousness is done by teasing the player with prospects, the level/environment itself, the part one is able to interact with, move within, is supposed to be able to entice, guide the player to the goal. It's the level itself that should do all the work, the actual area, not the story, not the exhibition, not the promise of engaging cinematography or action. Allowing the player to make a choice, one that if right, rewards the player, is key to the sense of exporation. What one saw in CE was pretty much what one got, 4 has most of what one is able to see as an elaborate backdrop, a visual element that surrounds the actual level. Let us compare the 4 e3 demo with CE's jungle environment: 4 had super complex corridors, and CE's had an open area with a lot of trees and shrubbery scattered about. Open=exporable. It's like comparing Fable to Morrowind.

It isn't possilbe to have the cake and eat it; lore inevitablly solves mysteries. It is however possible to first have the cake, give it a long look, and then eat it. Halo has already been eaten.

One doesn't have to have played the game to know how the levels are buildt, they have already shown pretty much all multi levels, around a half hour of single, and trailers that reveal more than five locations. It's a straight forward action game, not an action-adventure game..

..So, it is more than possible to believe that they haven't succeeded.Posted by: SpArTaNo9
Sound Familiar?
Don't forget that Chief awakens the Didact halfway through, just like the Covenant freed the Flood halfway through.Also, where's my dual wielding?! Of all the gameplay mechanics our Lords left behind, none are so underestimated as dual wielding!

[Edited on 10.28.2012 7:52 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 5:32 AM PDT

"When you say mean things, your weenie will shrink."

-Marshall Mathers, 2004


Posted by: SpArTaNo9

Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


Dude I completely agree with you.

343i's way of making it having the same mystery as Halo: CE is by basically making Halo: CE

Want to disagree with me? Here what does this sound like:

Master Chief wakes up from Cryo sleep when suddenly he realizes he's being attacked by Aliens! Soon he makes his way of his ship that is being destroyed and crash on a mysterious Alien world that no one has seen before. On his world he fights this Alien force known as the Covenant and encounters a new mechanical force made by an ancient civilization and encounters they're leader and find out it's a bad guy.

Sound Familiar?


Thanks bro. I totally agree with you too. It sounds like 343 is just trying to take best things from other games and put a "Halo Twist" on it. Like all the killcams and -blam!- in multiplayer and, as you said, the campaign from CE in a different setting and characters.

  • 10.28.2012 5:55 PM PDT

"When you say mean things, your weenie will shrink."

-Marshall Mathers, 2004


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


This is one opinion I not only disagree with, but can't even see how it's possible to have.

With CE-What is this?What is happening?What is that?How does that work?What is that fcking thing?!?

Halo 4-Boon there's the forerunners!Boon there's the elites!
Boon there's the jackals!Boon there's the weapons!Boon there's the the game mechanics!

Ce-mistery.
halo4-overseen field.


I think your "M" key is messed up.

  • 10.28.2012 5:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
It sounds like 343 is just trying to take best things from other games and put a "Halo Twist" on it.


Please tell me when Halo hasn't done this... Because I'm pretty sure that we can go right back to the beginning and see that Halo was emulating an awful lot of stuff from Half-Life, Quake, DOOM and Wolvenstein. But guess what? Emulation is NOT a bad thing, so cease your text-based twattery and stop presenting 343 as the antichrist when they do it and completely ignore the fact that the very foundation of this series is "ripping off" other games.

[Edited on 10.28.2012 6:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 6:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
They want to give you the same sense of mystery and discovery
that bungie gave us with CE.

PS there failing miserably.


Dude I completely agree with you.

343i's way of making it having the same mystery as Halo: CE is by basically making Halo: CE

Want to disagree with me? Here what does this sound like:

Master Chief wakes up from Cryo sleep when suddenly he realizes he's being attacked by Aliens! Soon he makes his way of his ship that is being destroyed and crash on a mysterious Alien world that no one has seen before. On his world he fights this Alien force known as the Covenant and encounters a new mechanical force made by an ancient civilization and encounters they're leader and find out it's a bad guy.

Sound Familiar?


Believe me things are very different this time.

[Edited on 10.28.2012 6:11 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 6:11 PM PDT

"When you say mean things, your weenie will shrink."

-Marshall Mathers, 2004

@ajw whatever the hell your name is... I can honestly say, straight from my heart, that halo CE is the only game that didnt "Emulate" stuff from other games, straight down to the machine you play it on. Recharging health and shields was sort of a first. An actual plot and backstory was a first for shooters at the time. Beilieve it or not, 343 is not an "Antichrist" but is not handling the game well and taking TO MANY elements from other games, Bungie however, built on there last game with there own ideas every time. If you could ever find 5 things that halo CE copied, I bet I could find 15 things that they pioneered.

The very foundation of multiple games, not series, is copying other successful series.

I smell a waypoint kid, that plays CoD. ;)

[Edited on 10.28.2012 6:29 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2012 6:27 PM PDT
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@ajw whatever the hell your name is...I can honestly say, straight from my heart, that halo CE is the only game that didnt "Emulate" stuff from other games, straight down to the machine you play it on. Recharging health and shields was sort of a first. An actual plot and backstory was a first for shooters at the time.


An extremely generic plot that emulated many things from other plots (hell, the front cover looked damn near identical to the cover of Ringworld), and yes, Halo innovated very little in terms of gameplay and emulated quite a lot.

  • 10.28.2012 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
@ajw whatever the hell your name is...I can honestly say, straight from my heart, that halo CE is the only game that didnt "Emulate" stuff from other games, straight down to the machine you play it on. Recharging health and shields was sort of a first. An actual plot and backstory was a first for shooters at the time.


An extremely generic plot that emulated many things from other plots (hell, the front cover looked damn near identical to the cover of Ringworld), and yes, Halo innovated very little in terms of gameplay and emulated quite a lot.


What are you smoking?

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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
@ajw whatever the hell your name is...I can honestly say, straight from my heart, that halo CE is the only game that didnt "Emulate" stuff from other games, straight down to the machine you play it on. Recharging health and shields was sort of a first. An actual plot and backstory was a first for shooters at the time.


An extremely generic plot that emulated many things from other plots (hell, the front cover looked damn near identical to the cover of Ringworld), and yes, Halo innovated very little in terms of gameplay and emulated quite a lot.


What are you smoking?


Quality response.

Are you going to disprove me now, or just waste more time?

  • 10.28.2012 6:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: SCORCHHEAD
@ajw whatever the hell your name is...


You can clearly see my username. If you had the mental capacity to understand how to use this site's wonderful 'quote' feature you wouldn't need to resort to pointless comments which really set the tone for how I imagine the rest of your response is going to play out...

I can honestly say, straight from my heart, that halo CE is the only game that didnt "Emulate" stuff from other games

*facedesk*

No. If anything, Halo CE is the game that emulated the most in the series. More on that later...

straight down to the machine you play it on.

Are you in any way implying that because Halo CE was on the Xbox that gives the game itself any more originality?

Recharging health and shields was sort of a first.

Let me stop you there. At no point did I say that Halo CE didn't contribute anything to the FPS genre, that would be a flat-out lie.

But you're wrong. Halo was not the first game to give recharging shields, and your health didn't regenerate in CE...

An actual plot and backstory was a first for shooters at the time.

Er... It was a new concept certainly, but had already been featured in games like Metroid (1986) Half-Life (1998), DOOM (1993) with an additional 3 sequels up to 1996 before Halo CE had even entered development etc.

So no, Halo CE did not bring plot and backstory into the genre. I'll take a leap and say it's the best of the genre, but that's because it was derived from numerous literary sources and films before it. Again, more on that in a moment...

Beilieve it or not, 343 is not an "Antichrist" but is not handling the game well and taking TO MANY elements from other games, Bungie however, built on there last game with there own ideas every time. If you could ever find 5 things that halo CE copied, I bet I could find 15 things that they pioneered.

The very foundation of multiple games, not series, is copying other successful series.


This is by far the biggest load of BS you've come out with in your post.

Let's take a look at things Halo CE took from other sources:
- Larry Niven's Ringworld, the very front cover should tell you everything you need to know. The very idea of a story taking place on a 'Halo' has been done 31 years before Halo CE was even made.

But wait, there's more! The story sounds awfully similar. In Ringworld, the crew of the ship crash lands on the habitable surface of the ring and their mission is to uncover the Ringworld's mysteries. Later, humanity gets branded as heretics and blasphemers, and later discover a cartographer and that there was another great civilisation preceeding them. Well isn't that funny? Sounds almost like an identical framework for Halo CE...

- The 'Culture' from Ian M. Banks' Consider Phlebas is what we'll move on to next. Look at the front cover again, look familiar at all? Do read the article, it's rather illuminating.

- The Alien and Predator franchises are borrowed from heavily. need I mention the fact that Sergeant Apone and Sergeant Johnson are essentially the same person? Halo's vehicles are also aesthetically similar:

Sulaco vs Pillar of Autumn

Cheyenne Dropship vs Pelican

Oh and just look at that atmosphere processor...

Shall we look at some dialogue too?

Apone: All right, let's go people. The Corps ain't payin' us by the hour!
Johnson: Hit it, Marines! Go! Go! Go! The Corps ain't payin' us by the hour!


Hicks: All right people. Let's move like we got a purpose.
Johnson: You heard the lady. Move like you got a purpose!


Frost: I'm telling ya, I got a bad feeling about this drop.
Crowe: You always say that, Frost. You always have a bad feeling about this drop.

*

Mendoza: I've got a bad feeling about this.
Johnson: Boy, you always got a bad feeling about something.


- Metroid. I'm assuming you've either never seen or heard of thise series, because Halo CE borrows rather generously from it. Both armoured protagonists generally have little dialogue, and features a plot revolving around a hostile collection of aliens who go around trying to activate artefacts made by an ancient race - artefacts which can destroy all life in the galaxy. Even the last mission of Halo CE is copied from Metroid, as you're given a timer to escape before a big explosion destroys the artefact.

And the list goes on... Star Trek and Star Wars have some very notable similarities too. Need I even mention the fact that Halo CE borrows heavily from Bungie's previous series Marathon?

So the ultimate point here is that no, Halo CE is absolutely not original. Gameplay elements are improved from other FPS titles like Half-Life and DOOM, and the story/plot/enemies are all influenced/emulated/flat-out ripped off from other franchises.

I smell a waypoint kid, that plays CoD. ;)

The fact that my account says I've been active since 2008 proves that wrong, and I've been around here even before that. Best not to make yourself look like an idiot by not knowing what you're talking about - but then, you've already done that with finesse.

I do play CoD, yes. While Halo is my all-time favourite series, Black Ops offers a very detailed storyline which could easily fit a conspiracy thriller novel and I enjoy Call of Duty 4. How is that relevant at all?

[Edited on 10.29.2012 6:36 AM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 5:32 AM PDT

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You're lying.

  • 10.29.2012 6:22 AM PDT