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Subject: Do You Feel Karen should be replaced by another Author?

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Posted by: anton1792This (previous post).
Posted by: Xd00999..and this (previous post).

Also, for all we know she could have been imprinted with a Geas.

EDIT: has anyone brought up the point that it might be less evil to send in a few Spartans, instead of dozens of marines who have a higher death rate, or just bomb the place, possibly killing hundreds of civilians?On topic:Travis is boring, outright dull, so yes, replace her.

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  • 10.28.2012 12:28 PM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
EDIT: has anyone brought up the point that it might be less evil to send in a few Spartans, instead of dozens of marines who have a higher death rate, or just bomb the place, possibly killing hundreds of civilians?


I did in a sense. The Spartans were made so the UNSC could take out the rebel leader or recover nukes, without requiring a massive battle and a ton of deaths on both sides.

  • 10.28.2012 1:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Fragula

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Sir Fragula
Personally I think Glasslands is the best written Halo book since Fall of Reach. The comparison of Halsey to Mengle is completely apt.


A scientist who butchered and killed prisoners in concentration camps for fun compared to a scientist who augmented kids to save the human race is apt?


Except Halsey didn't start the program to save the Human race. She started it to preserve the dictatorial UNSC and prevent the colonies from expressing their legitimate goal of independence.

The Covenant didn't come into the picture until much later.


Wrong.

She read the Carver findings, which found that if the Insurrection went on, it would cost billions of lives and send humanity into another Dark age. She was trying to save the Human race.

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  • 10.28.2012 1:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaronThat same Protagonist-Centered Morality was used in Halsey's favor throughout all of the original novels. The only time her actions were ever questioned were via her inner monologue.

I'm not debating what you've said; you're right, but none of it is without reason. The way these new characters are portrayed, their disdain of Halsey makes perfect sense. That being said, the scope of their individual perspectives is limited, and therefore their conclusions are flawed to an extent (Vaz is nothing but a hothead with a secret boner for Naomi), but that's realistic.

With Nylund's Halo, there is no examination of Halsey's methods. There's no resentment or questioning directed toward her in the slightest. The only person to doubt Halsey is Halsey, but she was surrounded by people who thought the world of her, so nothing ever came of it.

  • 10.28.2012 1:25 PM PDT

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For the love of all that is holy, please bring back Nylund.

  • 10.28.2012 1:25 PM PDT

How would you guys feel about Greg Bear writing the future Halo novels? As in stuff after the Human-Covenant war?

  • 10.28.2012 1:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1995324
How would you guys feel about Greg Bear writing the future Halo novels? As in stuff after the Human-Covenant war?
Hmm, maybe, Bear's books are my favourite so far (followed by Staten and then Nylund), and he has proven that he's capable of describing both ancient Halo and contemporary Halo. I like his style, he describes things in the same theatric, romantic, and ideologic way as the games have us believe the Haloverse is, but I'm not sure I want him to write more than the Forerunner trilogy.

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Posted by: Sir Fragula

I said the comparison was apt, not exact. If you were to compare Gary Glitter to Jimmy Savile it would also be apt even though the two's crimes are different in scope.

Halsey created 75 living, breathing Human clones whose sole purpose was to die. She wasn't a nice woman and frankly she's never been portrayed as one.


I don't think anybody is saying Halsey is a nice woman, simply that she isn't the evilest person in the galaxy as Traviss would have us believe.
Halsey wasn't portrayed as evil by Traviss. She was flawed, and we saw her through the eyes of other flawed characters.

I really don't want to go searching for a past reply to copy/paste.


Look at my past page. She's treated as being evil and morally wrong, and the guys on 'moral high ground' are far worse.


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Posted by: Sir Fragula
Personally I think Glasslands is the best written Halo book since Fall of Reach. The comparison of Halsey to Mengle is completely apt.

Just a quick question, but can you point me to Halsey's twin experiments? Or where Halsey sent people to death camps? Mengele was far, far worst than Halsey ever was.


I said the comparison was apt, not exact. If you were to compare Gary Glitter to Jimmy Savile it would also be apt even though the two's crimes are different in scope.

Halsey created 75 living, breathing Human clones whose sole purpose was to die. She wasn't a nice woman and frankly she's never been portrayed as one.


She created 75 clones so the families would have CLOSURE. Instead of sitting there constantly wondering what became of their child, they would have a funeral, and move on. It wouldn't be years of putting posters on street lamps "Have you see my child john?"

Morally questionable yes. Evil? perhaps. Not nice? maybe.

But the INTENT was good.

No, Halsey isn't nice. But she is not evil, and not near the level of comparison there. Glasslands, as the trope page says, points that basically she did the Spartans because of scientific curiousity and "I wonder..." instead of seeing the data and going "This is the only way we can go that doesn't involve massive bloodshed." as well as being hired by ONI to make the Spartans.

Glasslands shoves a "HALSEY IS EVIL AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK THAT" viewpoint :/.

Edit: Oh yeah, she also paints the picture that it's basically impossible to have an elite-human peace.

Yet at the same time, she shows us a human colony which did declare itself independant near the end of the war, and it has humans, jackals, brutes, and I think even grunts living together peacefully.

If the three races KNOWN for eating humans can live with a human neighbor, why can't elites?


I like how everybody forgets that the Arbiter was told directly to his face about the purpose of the Halo's and therefore revealing humanities relation to the Forerunners, which was what started the war, three prophets discovered the truth about their religion, which if revealed would have broken the Covenant apart and landed the prophets back to square one with the Elites. So they covered it up and waged war on Humanity.


This is realized in Halo 3 when Half Jaw's fleet lends humanity a hand. It's likely the word got out in this fleet about the stuff mentioned above. The way sangheili society works, you can bet they'd be mighty pissed when they discovered they'd been killing "sacred" beings over a lie from their leaders. And they were rightly so.

But, I was baffled in Glasslands as to why the Elites had such a view towards humanity. You'd think this religion shattering revelation would have spread a bit more? I know that if the word did get out, there would still be hate on both sides after a 25 year war. But the Elite's in Traviss's writing come off as not even knowing about this at all.

And this is what I don't like about all of the novels so far. The Covenant is portrayed as advanced, yet stupid at the same time. Back when the Elites met the Prophets, they waged war in space. The Elites had fleets and so did the prophets. And this was thousands of years before they ever met humanity. And yes, I know a factor that would play into it would be the Hierarchy of the Covenant, the Prophets got all the science related stuff and the Elites got all the military stuff for thousands of years. The Elites probably would be a little rusty on their own.

But in the latest new tales to the canon, the Elites come off as idiots. Bumbling children lost without their guiding hand, incapable of doing anything.

This has always bugged me. Even more so now because of what's been done to them in Traviss's works.

  • 10.28.2012 2:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cpt Nicholson
I always enjoyed Nylund's novels the most. He had great character development, storytelling, and deep wonderful descriptions of events. Also his understanding of the Halo Universe and Master's Degree in Chemical Physics helped with scientific aspect of the Halo universe. Though Karen Traviss is a great author, here lack of understanding of the Halo Universe and the Sciences reflects poorly on here novels. (Also here use of British references and terms slightly bugs me)

They are both excellent writers but I feel that Nylund is more fit for telling Halo's story.


This.

Honestly, I think if they could work together on Halo it would be perfect. Nylund could handle technical aspects and lore, and Traviss could write characters, with Nylund reeling her in if she goes off kilter with her own morals.

  • 10.28.2012 2:46 PM PDT

Hey sandtrap, get this...

In Thursday war, Jul ends up on an elite colony world... which hadn't heard from the Covenant in years. But they still sent ships and warriors to fight against the humans.

Oh, and they had a comm device capable of instantly talking to the Elite homeworld.

  • 10.28.2012 3:13 PM PDT

All of the writers are terrible from Nylund's poor character development, to traviss's lack of understanding of the halo universe and obsession with australia to Bears boring,slow and hard to visualize writings styles.

we need a new author.

  • 10.28.2012 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: soulEATER123666
All of the writers are terrible from Nylund's poor character development, to traviss's lack of understanding of the halo universe and obsession with australia to Bears boring,slow and hard to visualize writings styles.

we need a new author.
What science fiction books do you like then, or books in general, who would you choose to write a Halo novel?

  • 10.28.2012 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
Hate on Traviss all you want, but Eric Nylund is a terrible writer.

Nylund is a phenomenal writer for what he writes.

This is the key.

Nylund is no Shakespeare or Twain, but he is very good at writing for Halo. He understands the Universe on a level that no other author, except perhaps Joe Staten, does. He knows how to write action sequences, and understands what techno babble work and what doesn't.

Traviss is great at building a story that revolves around its characters. She gives all her characters decent depth and gives you a reason to care about them, whether you agree with the character's opinions or not (BB, for example).

However, Traviss does not know how to write for Halo. She is not a very good science fiction writer. From her two novels so far, it's very clear that she isn't comfortable talking about the technology on the intuitive level Nylund does. She also isn't very knowledgable when it comes to characterizing old characters and explaining motivations.

For example, it is completely ridiculous for Parangosky to mount the moral high horse when it comes to Halsey because Maggie has authorized much worse (sending hundreds of children on suicide missions).

Traviss needs to go. She isn't a bad writer, but she can't write for Halo, similar to how Nylund isn't necessarily a great writer, but is great for Halo.

  • 10.28.2012 6:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Sir Fragula
Personally I think Glasslands is the best written Halo book since Fall of Reach. The comparison of Halsey to Mengle is completely apt.

Just a quick question, but can you point me to Halsey's twin experiments? Or where Halsey sent people to death camps? Mengele was far, far worst than Halsey ever was.


I said the comparison was apt, not exact. If you were to compare Gary Glitter to Jimmy Savile it would also be apt even though the two's crimes are different in scope.

Halsey created 75 living, breathing Human clones whose sole purpose was to die. She wasn't a nice woman and frankly she's never been portrayed as one.

I'm sorry, but you're flat out wrong

When you ignore context to suit your belief, it doesn't help your overall case.

If you boil it down to what happened without context, then yes, "Halsey created 75 living, breathing Human clones whose sole purpose was to die," but when you ask why she did this, you realize it isn't so black and white.

She made those clones so that the parents would have closure to their children's fate. If I were in the parents shoes, I'd much rather see that my child has passed away rather than wonder for the rest of my life where my child is. Out of the two evils, the former is less so.

Yes, Halsey is not the nicest woman to ever exist, but she isn't heartless. She understood the moral ambiguities of her actions even before kidnapping children, and she tried to atone for her sins by ensuring that her Spartans aren't needlessly killed off. She is much more moral than Parangosky who is indisputably the most cold-hearted -blam!- in the entire UNSC. She is ready to wipe out the Sangheili from the face of the galaxy using starvation; she sent hundreds of children--twice--on suicide missions for no other purpose than to buy time for a war. She eliminated those who stood in her way and used fear and intimidation to reach the level she had.

And while everything I mentioned can be justified, what cannot be justified is Parangosky honestly saying that Halsey is some how more immoral than she is. It is either complete stupidity, a case of severe denial, or a lie.

  • 10.28.2012 7:30 PM PDT

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All Nylund was good at was technical writing - his description of space battles and the science behind the universe was great. Characters were fairly poor, giving us Mary Sues (like Halsey, who could do ANYTHING) or cookie-cutter generic heroes. A lot of his prose was pretty bad too.

I much prefer Traviss over him, I think her approach to the Halo universe is the best yet (with Greg Bear a close second place.) After the K-5 trilogy though, I don't think she should be brought back due to all the controversy she's caused.

It's a shame, but people will be people. Still haven't had a convincing argument as to why she's so terrible.
wut?

Wolverfrog I honestly still respect your opinion especially when it comes to writing. I was there when you posted on the halo wars forum and have seen your writing skill. But seriesly you can't think that her writing is good for halo?

Yeah the characters develop a little more than you think but she basically forces her opinion on how making spartan II super soldiers is wrong. She then made Halsey look like a -blam!- as opposed to her actually the one having a conscious in this situation, which aggravates me because she actually cared for her spartans unlike the precious ONI angel Margaret who sent 12 year olds on suicide missions and outright killed her opposing people or made them disappear.

Her disregard for standing halo canon, instead of reading the books she feels like she can just conjure the universe from nothing and change it however see shes fit. As an author she has the right to do so and I understand;however, you can't just start spewing this and that without knowing actual canon. Lucy punchhed Halsey and all Halsey got was a broken nose. Thats a read flag she has no idea what the hell a spartan is! Regardless if it's a spartan II or III Lucy should have caved in her skull.

Do you know why she got kicked out of writing star wars fiction right?
She killed off a main character in the book. Flat out just bam! They're dead. This wasn't suppose to happen but lucasarts let it fly by and the fans practically revolted and she got kicked off from writing for them again. Do you want that to happen to halo? Or are you going to wait till Kelly dies from having her period....

let us see the red flags
Disregards canon and doesn't even read the lore enough to know about:check
Kills off main characters:check
Forces her views on the reader:check
Makes every character and whole toilet bowl potion of completly unneeded internal conflict:check

I don't want this amazing universe to be in the hands of some incompetent feminist who ruins good characters. I liked Nylund because he knew the universe well he created, and although his character development may have been little off, he got every other aspect of the universe down.
/end rant


Someone can only force their views upon you if you accept them. All Traviss is doing is presenting us with another way of looking at Halsey; a world away from the Mary Sue she was under Nylund. I like reading about Parangosky, Osman or Mal citing their hatred for her, because it's so obviously biased that it forms their character.

I still know Halsey isn't Mengale II, and from the backlash from people here for her being persecuted, it's pretty clear everyone else does too. Traviss doesn't NEED to write in the perspective of someone who believes Halsey isn't a bad person, because there are already tens of thousands of people who think this - the reader.

It's the same thing with the Sangheili. We know not every Sangheili hates humanity and some bonds were forged, so she doesn't need to write in the perspective of a Sangheili who loves us.

I think it's quite clever, because even if only subconsciously, when you're reading these contentious claims from characters in the book, you're disputing them - it actively engages the reader, and when I read the book it felt akin to a debate; a character would say something, and I'd think 'ah, but if you knew this you wouldn't say that.' Makes the characters feel more flawed and thus, more real.

Lucy's 5'2 and 70 kilos. She's tiny. I don't think Spartan IIIs are nearly as powerful as Spartan IIs anyway, Lucy especially. Her not being able to toss aside the dead Engineer or her punch not killing Halsey wasn't unbelievable for me - if she'd punched Halsey in the jaw or temple I'd have a problem, but the nose? I can imagine her surviving that.

I don't really care what she did with Star Wars, but I will say that killing a main character is in no way a bad thing - I wish more authors would do it, to be honest. It's why I love George RR Martin so much - he kills his main character at the end of the first book, and no one else is safe from his deadly quill.

Personally, I love Traviss' approach to the Haloverse. There might be a few tiny niggles in canon here and there, but Nylund's books contained loads, as did Staten's, Dietz' and Buckwell's, the latter two being a couple of the worst authors I've ever come across.

Traviss can write, she can make her characters distinct and interesting, and her dialogue is brilliant. I'll take her over Eric 'The Elite was as strong as the Master Chief' Nylund any day.

Your point would be valid if Traviss portrayed Halsey properly at all. I can understand that the perspective of Osman, Vaz, Mal, and even BB would be inherently biased, but Halsey never brings up the points that we the community have in the Kilo Five trilogy. Traviss's novels are a one-sided indictment. Even Naomi, who has known Halsey for her entire life, begins sympathizing more with -blam!- K5. The "bond" between the ODSTs and Naomi is completely contrived. I don't feel it. If Naomi had acted like any characterization of the SIIs in the past had established, then she would be very defensive about Halsey, even after, maybe even especially after reading all the details.

Also, I don't care how tiny Lucy is. She can quite easy kill any human adult with a single punch. She is a Spartan. Spartan IIIs are not inferior to Spartan IIs in anyway except gene purity (which becomes rather moot after the degree of physiological augmentations), thyroid implant, and equipment.

Lucy should have killed Halsey with that punch. End. Of. Story.



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Posted by: Plasma Prestige


Its not even that Halsey survived the punch, it was that a Spartan III with augmentations NEARLY as good as the Spartan II's, couldn't lift a 60 Kilo Huragok off of herself, while wearing SPI armor, while laying on her back. I weigh a hundred and fifty pounds, I can bench 170 pounds. The fact that a human physically augmented to be superior to the average human, like me, can't lift her body weight is just stupid.

  • 10.28.2012 7:50 PM PDT

To those saying Marget is pissed about not nothing about the clones for nearly 30 years....yea...we are talking about the head of the head of the IRA and FBI put together. I highly doubt the clones cost a nickel each so I'm damn sure it would have showed up in the reports. Also ONI is a military branch so Halsey was out ranked by pretty much everyone so I'm damn sure if marget asked what the -blam!- was going on, everyone would have told her. Also are you guys saying ONI which is so damn paranoid let Halsey run wild for 30 years without ever checking up on her?

  • 10.28.2012 7:58 PM PDT

Considering how Traviss obviously has no idea what she's writing about and can't disconnect her own views of the universe from the book's, yeah, she should be replaced.

  • 10.28.2012 8:21 PM PDT
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I liked Eric Nylund, so all my vote are belong to you.

  • 10.28.2012 9:37 PM PDT

What a waste....

I think people are just butthurt that Parangosky is crazy.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey sandtrap, get this...

In Thursday war, Jul ends up on an elite colony world... which hadn't heard from the Covenant in years. But they still sent ships and warriors to fight against the humans.

Oh, and they had a comm device capable of instantly talking to the Elite homeworld.


I.... I don't even.

  • 10.28.2012 11:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: ninjakenzenSo ONI never cared, right? And that's just the way it is? Call me crazy, but wouldn't it be interesting to explore that dynamic? Kind of like what Traviss is doing?

Halsey good, ONI bad, and that's that.


Traviss is not exploring how moral ONI is, she's just using Halsey as an excuse for immorality within the S-II program. C'mon you can clearly see, if morality was an DYNAMIC to be EXPORED in traviss's ONI. The morality of the S-III project would be mentioned.

Yeah, This DYNAMIC should really be explored In a time where it could be more explored nah erh Humanity wasn't just fighting a Alien race hell bent on destroying them, HEY I KNOW! Let's play the BLAME game now, so we can EXPLORE ONI and HALSEY's Morality to add further depth during this time of PEACE [I really meant brink of humanity's survival] LOL no.

This was the period of Nylund's writing, I'm really sorry you expected world class EXPLORATION into the DYNAMICs of ONI. Where it was held in a top secret fashion as a literary device to make sure readers felt like it was actually erm "TOP SECRET"

Let me spell that out to you in a more familiar environment. For example: FORERUNNERS were HIDDEN and not explored in Halo:CE, to encourange MYSTERY. It wasn't due to POOR writing, but because you can't cover every base in detail in a universe, which is what I assume you want. But when you explore things that are delibrately vague, you take out mystery.

None of the Halo novels. NONE. Were intended to explore how ONI functioned in depth. [Argubly H:Reach or Halsey's Journal or ODST though]

You're attacking a book about a group of top soldiers fighting a War agaisn't aliens- on the basis that it doesn't expore the inner workings of the top branch that green lighted the project.

Gee wheez maybe that would have been nice if he expored that more. We should definately critise that. Maybe we should add that we didn't know the names and occupation of each and every Spartan-IIs parents, so we can have greater understanding and feel more connected to each of the 75 Spartan indiviuduals.We definitely lacked that, and something should be done. I am so glad that Traviss is taking her time to write something that actually has a story worth telling. Isn't that just swell.

Posted by: Primo84
Do you see how polarized that is? Traviss did the series a service by writing in characters that didn't like her.

There were characters that didn't like her, but she's never exposed to them because she was never in a situations where she needed to be. She was always working. She earned the respect of her SPARTANS and of Mendez. If anything she feared that the S-III's would not like her, which is why she had to fight for her respect.

You can add characters to the novel with just the intention of not liking Halsey but that makes for shoddy work. It's also irrelevent. Everyone knew that she was doing Humanity a favor. We see Ackerson and Parong not liking Halsey but they still did not conflict with her because they respected her. Just because no-one crossed Halsey does not make it bad writing. You have to understand the real dynamic of why they didn't. She was too valuable.

Do you see how polorised Halsey is in Traviss's book?


It's Halsey bad, ONI good. And that's that.

Because somehow Mother P decides to get on the moral high horse. [I don't think we share the same view on consistency within the Halo Universe, where ultimitely our disagreement lies]

Nylund never forced morality, that was something we the readers were left to decide with. Hell that's why we're having debates about Halsey's morality. It's opinion. What Traviss writes is thrown. It's her perception of Halsey or no Halsey at all post-GoO.

I think we can all agree, that Halsey under Traviss depection is of an evil monster.

How much more polorised is that?

I think not being spoon fed is a great thing. We have our own intepretation to form.

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  • 10.29.2012 5:25 AM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"

I think they should combine both Karen and Eric.

...Karic? Eren? Kericen? WTF am I doing...

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I perfer greg bear, he owns all!

  • 10.29.2012 7:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Sandtrap

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey sandtrap, get this...

In Thursday war, Jul ends up on an elite colony world... which hadn't heard from the Covenant in years. But they still sent ships and warriors to fight against the humans.

Oh, and they had a comm device capable of instantly talking to the Elite homeworld.


I.... I don't even.


Dead serious.

Oh, and the Elites never did a wide-spread warning you know "Hey, brutes and prophets just betrayed us! Be ready for Brute ships wanting to attack your colonies!"

She really -blam!- kicked the severity of the schism out the window :/.

I think Traviss did a bad job of post-war as well. Because ONI views the ELITES as the 'main and only threat'. Yet brutes, jackals, and grunts all get set aside as nothing important (the Jackals only get mentioned because they get some of the elite cruisers that could be a threat...) and those three all can live with humans somewhat peacefully but Elites can never have peace with humans.

  • 10.29.2012 8:31 AM PDT