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Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."
- Albert Einstein
Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Kidnapping kids and experimenting on them, without permission....is evil.
It's not good, but given the circumstances it was necessary, not evil. And Halsey did have permission, and funding, from ONI. And let's face it; ONI has done far worse. Testing the Flood on a prison ship? Now that's evil and an apt comparison to Mengele.
She also created a bunch of human life, knowning said humans would die.
Again, funded and overseen by ONI. There is no way in hell that ONI - and thus Parangosky - did not know about the clones. And has been said in this thread, they were created with the purpose of closure for the parents. In fact, as we can see from the "Scanned" trailer, it wasn't even a situation of the kids going missing and then turning up; it was a swap in a single night. For all the parents knew, the kids never left their bed.
Testing the flood on prisoners sure is evil, but i don't see how that means kidnapping and experimenting on kids, which resulted in the death of some of them, isn't evil. ONI's sins doesn't mean Hasley is not responsible for her evil.
Well the kids did leave there beds. It makes it worse when the parents believe the lie, and think that there children died of some natural cause, when it wasn't there child at all. You somehow think that having your child kidnapped, and not knowing what happened to them, is worse then seeing and believing that your child died in your arms...so young....before growing up to be a man. In fact i do believe the mother of a future spartan, committed suicide after her "child" died.
That also doesn't change the fact that these kids were made with the intention to die. Hasley knew that these clones would not live long but made them anyways. If we can create a child in real life, though the side effects are that child dying in a few weeks after being made, we shouldn't do it at all, because we would be responsible for innocent humans dying.
Testing the Flood on humans is infinitely more evil than kidnapping children and turning them into super soldiers, and I'll tell you why.
Testing the Flood on humans results in no benefits to the test subject. He is going to get tortured, lose control of his sentience, and eventually die. Every time. The only people who might benefit is the rest of humankind if the experiments yielded promising data that would prevent infection.
Turning kids into soldiers, while not angelic in any sense, confers benefits on both parties. Halsey understood the moral ambiguity of her proposal, but ultimately, she was approved by the Office of Naval Intelligence to carry out her project with a blank check. Nothing she did after the kidnapping and augmenting of the children can honestly be thought of pure evil; she equipped them with the best armor in the entire UNSC, she ensured they received the training--both academic and combat--to put them ahead of any foe they would encounter, both in terms of intelligence and combat capability. She did treasonous things to ensure her Spartans wouldn't die.
Regarding the clones:
If I were in the situation in the parents, there is no question that whether I knew my child died or that he was missing indefinitely, it would be devastating. But I would also think that knowing the fate of my child would be more cathartic in the long term than wondering where he is 40 years down the line--wondering whether he is still alive or dead in some gutter.
Halsey didn't make those clones so they could die. She made those clones so she could give the parents whose lives she had obviously destroyed some comfort in the false knowledge of what happened to their child. In the words of Batman in The Dark Knight, "Sometimes, the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more."
Those parents deserve more.
No one is disputing that Halsey has done very questionable things to say the least, but those who dislike Traviss's depiction recognize context. Halsey did the wrong things for the absolute right reasons, and after committing acts everyone would consider war crimes, she tried to atone for her sins not so much to grant herself immunity--as she knew she would never receive that--but rather give back some of the life she'd taken away.