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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Sandtrap
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey sandtrap, get this...

In Thursday war, Jul ends up on an elite colony world... which hadn't heard from the Covenant in years. But they still sent ships and warriors to fight against the humans.

Oh, and they had a comm device capable of instantly talking to the Elite homeworld.
I.... I don't even.
Dead serious.

Oh, and the Elites never did a wide-spread warning you know "Hey, brutes and prophets just betrayed us! Be ready for Brute ships wanting to attack your colonies!"

She really -blam!- kicked the severity of the schism out the window :/.

I think Traviss did a bad job of post-war as well. Because ONI views the ELITES as the 'main and only threat'. Yet brutes, jackals, and grunts all get set aside as nothing important (the Jackals only get mentioned because they get some of the elite cruisers that could be a threat...) and those three all can live with humans somewhat peacefully but Elites can never have peace with humans.
What I'd want to know a little more about is what happened to the San 'Shyuum. They probably didn't have a contingency plan since they relied on the Great Journey, but I don't want to take that for granted. If the post-war period is to be depicted, it should at least shed some light on them.

  • 10.29.2012 9:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Sandtrap
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hey sandtrap, get this...

In Thursday war, Jul ends up on an elite colony world... which hadn't heard from the Covenant in years. But they still sent ships and warriors to fight against the humans.

Oh, and they had a comm device capable of instantly talking to the Elite homeworld.


I.... I don't even.


Dead serious.

Oh, and the Elites never did a wide-spread warning you know "Hey, brutes and prophets just betrayed us! Be ready for Brute ships wanting to attack your colonies!"

She really -blam!- kicked the severity of the schism out the window :/.

I think Traviss did a bad job of post-war as well. Because ONI views the ELITES as the 'main and only threat'. Yet brutes, jackals, and grunts all get set aside as nothing important (the Jackals only get mentioned because they get some of the elite cruisers that could be a threat...) and those three all can live with humans somewhat peacefully but Elites can never have peace with humans.


Well, to be fair, the Elites were already at war with the Brutes, I don't think it was needed to be said. They already laid waste to whatever the Brutes had. Although I agree there is a sort of lack of information there, as if everything had calmed down, but it's not as a severe thing as you're putting it.

Brutes and Grunts aren't main threats because they have almost no real capability to pose a threat in orbit, especially with what the UNSC has been pulling out lately. The Jackals are second in place because of Pious Inquisitor and because they are bound to have more ships, but that doesn't mean they are all of war. ONI knows that the Kaidons are keeping their ships and munitions and such hidden to themselves, except for those that are taking part in the Rebellion. The Elites can still pose a serious threat to Humanity if they were to get back on their feet, organize and be able to gain access to a true fleet or Engineers.

It's all pretty logical given the circumstances...

  • 10.29.2012 9:48 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: Primo84
Halsey wasn't portrayed as evil by Traviss.

According to characters like Vaz, yes, she was. And the constant "lock and key" that she's put under on the Infinity like she's on the edge of her seat waiting to hijack it, all because she saved a freaking Spartan's life.

Not to mention she practically all but waves a gun at harmless Huragok - beings that she would damn well know would both not be intimidated, and were they're only shot at getting word out. Someone of Halsey's pedigree would not do something like that, ever.

  • 10.29.2012 1:57 PM PDT

Lets Boogie

Don't know why people here are saying that Halsey isn't evil. Sure she had good intentions, but that doesn't mean her actions become good...therefore making her a good person.

Kidnapping kids and experimenting on them, without permission....is evil.

She also created a bunch of human life, knowning said humans would die.

Just because someone's actions, eventually leads to positive things (Spartans playing a role in saving Mankind), doesn't make her actions morally right.

Hypothetically, a Man who wants power, can take over the world, attack nations, wipe out all those who oppose him. His evil...is huge. But perhaps he has noble goals, he feels that his actions will unite humanity, create only 1 government of Man, and that Mankind has a better chance of surviving as united....besides, all the killings he has done or allowed, has decreased the worlds pop., which will benefit humanity.

Of course say that later aliens invade, but through this 1 world dictatorship government, Mankind wins. Now just because his actions later led to saving lives....doesn't mean all the actions he made/took to get to that moment were right.



[Edited on 10.29.2012 2:30 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 2:27 PM PDT

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  • 10.29.2012 2:45 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Kidnapping kids and experimenting on them, without permission....is evil.

It's not good, but given the circumstances it was necessary, not evil. And Halsey did have permission, and funding, from ONI. And let's face it; ONI has done far worse. Testing the Flood on a prison ship? Now that's evil and an apt comparison to Mengele.

She also created a bunch of human life, knowning said humans would die.

Again, funded and overseen by ONI. There is no way in hell that ONI - and thus Parangosky - did not know about the clones. And has been said in this thread, they were created with the purpose of closure for the parents. In fact, as we can see from the "Scanned" trailer, it wasn't even a situation of the kids going missing and then turning up; it was a swap in a single night. For all the parents knew, the kids never left their bed.

  • 10.29.2012 3:15 PM PDT

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Without even referring to how Halsey is portrayed in any of the books, I'd say that it is possible to learn a lot about her, and how she thinks, just by knowing Cortana. Cortana is after all an A.I buildt in her own image (as literal as it gets). Cortana's playful and enthusiastic, but compassionate and has a big heart for everyone who's near to her (just play through the games again, and you'll see), so logic tells me Halsey would be the same, or maybe logic is a liar?

Sure, Halsey might me a narcissistic ideologist, that at times maybe see's things in a too cold of a manner; like not being that distressed over being locked in the MDS and allowing the Halo's to wipe the galaxy clean, but she did so because she--just like many other--sometimes--applies to much logic and not enough emotion, all in the fear of emotion clouding judgement. In the MDC case, she kept it together, knowing that if humanity fails, at least she'd be safe somewhere with Forerunner tech and the promis of immortality, and that humanity would--in some sense--prevail. [the immortality bit might have been my own interpretation]

What many seem to completely ignore is that life forces people to act, and that one has to take the situation and intent into the equation. It's not like they all just stood there and then suddenly one of them exclaimed "let's clone a bunch children and let them die!". Evil--true evil anyway--is disregarding empathy and sympaty, excecuting an act of evil, even if there no need for it whatsoever, other than egoistic needs. I can't say Halsey did any of that. But then again, I'm biased, I see her as one of the good guys in an ideologic and lighthearted, thrilling action-adventure videogame franchise.

  • 10.29.2012 3:52 PM PDT

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  • 10.29.2012 3:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
All Nylund was good at was technical writing - his description of space battles and the science behind the universe was great. Characters were fairly poor, giving us Mary Sues (like Halsey, who could do ANYTHING) or cookie-cutter generic heroes. A lot of his prose was pretty bad too.

I much prefer Traviss over him, I think her approach to the Halo universe is the best yet (with Greg Bear a close second place.) After the K-5 trilogy though, I don't think she should be brought back due to all the controversy she's caused.

It's a shame, but people will be people. Still haven't had a convincing argument as to why she's so terrible.


Although I do agree she does go a little overboard over the ethics issue, I thought her books were quite enjoyable to read. For some reason I just couldn't get into Eric Nylund's novels. His writings really not all that good...and he doesn't depict action scenes all that well, he briefly tells you what happens with no description, At least from what I've read of his. (Which is admittedly not much so I may be wrong.)

Travis is doing a decent job so far, and I don't miss Nylund so let her keep going. Unless the ending to the third book is as depressing as the end to her Republic commando books ill be happy with it.
She does have some trouble with the lore, tech wise, such as an oni corvette taking out several covenant ships (is this possible lore wise? I would like to know) and I am surprised the infinity didn't use her uber awesome MAC cannons, unless they're saving those as a surprise in the game.

I Would love it if Joseph Staten would write another Halo novel, as Contact Harvest was probably my favorite out of the Halo books from a writing standpoint.

  • 10.29.2012 4:35 PM PDT

Lets Boogie


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Kidnapping kids and experimenting on them, without permission....is evil.

It's not good, but given the circumstances it was necessary, not evil. And Halsey did have permission, and funding, from ONI. And let's face it; ONI has done far worse. Testing the Flood on a prison ship? Now that's evil and an apt comparison to Mengele.

She also created a bunch of human life, knowning said humans would die.

Again, funded and overseen by ONI. There is no way in hell that ONI - and thus Parangosky - did not know about the clones. And has been said in this thread, they were created with the purpose of closure for the parents. In fact, as we can see from the "Scanned" trailer, it wasn't even a situation of the kids going missing and then turning up; it was a swap in a single night. For all the parents knew, the kids never left their bed.


Testing the flood on prisoners sure is evil, but i don't see how that means kidnapping and experimenting on kids, which resulted in the death of some of them, isn't evil. ONI's sins doesn't mean Hasley is not responsible for her evil.

Well the kids did leave there beds. It makes it worse when the parents believe the lie, and think that there children died of some natural cause, when it wasn't there child at all. You somehow think that having your child kidnapped, and not knowing what happened to them, is worse then seeing and believing that your child died in your arms...so young....before growing up to be a man. In fact i do believe the mother of a future spartan, committed suicide after her "child" died.

That also doesn't change the fact that these kids were made with the intention to die. Hasley knew that these clones would not live long but made them anyways. If we can create a child in real life, though the side effects are that child dying in a few weeks after being made, we shouldn't do it at all, because we would be responsible for innocent humans dying.


[Edited on 10.29.2012 4:41 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 4:38 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Well, to be fair, the Elites were already at war with the Brutes, I don't think it was needed to be said. They already laid waste to whatever the Brutes had. Although I agree there is a sort of lack of information there, as if everything had calmed down, but it's not as a severe thing as you're putting it.

Brutes and Grunts aren't main threats because they have almost no real capability to pose a threat in orbit, especially with what the UNSC has been pulling out lately. The Jackals are second in place because of Pious Inquisitor and because they are bound to have more ships, but that doesn't mean they are all of war. ONI knows that the Kaidons are keeping their ships and munitions and such hidden to themselves, except for those that are taking part in the Rebellion. The Elites can still pose a serious threat to Humanity if they were to get back on their feet, organize and be able to gain access to a true fleet or Engineers.

It's all pretty logical given the circumstances...


The thing is, Glasslands and Thursday war mentions no conflict with the brutes. Hell, it makes it sound as if the brutes aren't even fighting the Elites, where the Return implies there was a heavy war.

Grunts, I admit aren't really a threat without brutes or elites (or even jackals) pushing them, but to simply focus on Elites over everything else..

Also, if the Jackals are a threat because of ONE CCS-class battlecruiser... humanity must not be that awesome off o_O.

But yeah, Brutes would be just as big a threat if they got their hands on more ships. Honestly Return made it sound like the war-prone elites were all tied up fighting the brutes, so neither side really could be a threat to humanity.


Posted by: haloplayer2kill
In fact i do believe the mother of a future spartan, committed suicide after her "child" died.


Only from Glasslands. And the nature of that is so retarded it's clear ONI can't handle civilians. Dad starts calling out the government because the sickness. Mom makes herself unable to have kids over fear of another child dying and then kills herself.

Off the TOP of my head, I can state if ONI did it's job right in that area, they could've frakking handled it no problem. Have an ONI agent doctor for each flash clone. When asked, have said doctor describe it as being something that they could've cured possibly if they had detected it earlier. Then spout something about how future children can be tested for it early on in pregnancy and treated if they have it.

BAM, mother no longer is worried about a future child dying, as she can have doctors check the developing baby and go "All is fine, no problems." Dad might be suspicious still but he wouldn't have to deal with his wife. Hell, the ONI doctor could create a story better then "family genetic disorder" that would convince the dad nothing is wrong.

  • 10.29.2012 5:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: haloplayer2kill

Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Kidnapping kids and experimenting on them, without permission....is evil.

It's not good, but given the circumstances it was necessary, not evil. And Halsey did have permission, and funding, from ONI. And let's face it; ONI has done far worse. Testing the Flood on a prison ship? Now that's evil and an apt comparison to Mengele.

She also created a bunch of human life, knowning said humans would die.

Again, funded and overseen by ONI. There is no way in hell that ONI - and thus Parangosky - did not know about the clones. And has been said in this thread, they were created with the purpose of closure for the parents. In fact, as we can see from the "Scanned" trailer, it wasn't even a situation of the kids going missing and then turning up; it was a swap in a single night. For all the parents knew, the kids never left their bed.


Testing the flood on prisoners sure is evil, but i don't see how that means kidnapping and experimenting on kids, which resulted in the death of some of them, isn't evil. ONI's sins doesn't mean Hasley is not responsible for her evil.

Well the kids did leave there beds. It makes it worse when the parents believe the lie, and think that there children died of some natural cause, when it wasn't there child at all. You somehow think that having your child kidnapped, and not knowing what happened to them, is worse then seeing and believing that your child died in your arms...so young....before growing up to be a man. In fact i do believe the mother of a future spartan, committed suicide after her "child" died.

That also doesn't change the fact that these kids were made with the intention to die. Hasley knew that these clones would not live long but made them anyways. If we can create a child in real life, though the side effects are that child dying in a few weeks after being made, we shouldn't do it at all, because we would be responsible for innocent humans dying.

Testing the Flood on humans is infinitely more evil than kidnapping children and turning them into super soldiers, and I'll tell you why.

Testing the Flood on humans results in no benefits to the test subject. He is going to get tortured, lose control of his sentience, and eventually die. Every time. The only people who might benefit is the rest of humankind if the experiments yielded promising data that would prevent infection.

Turning kids into soldiers, while not angelic in any sense, confers benefits on both parties. Halsey understood the moral ambiguity of her proposal, but ultimately, she was approved by the Office of Naval Intelligence to carry out her project with a blank check. Nothing she did after the kidnapping and augmenting of the children can honestly be thought of pure evil; she equipped them with the best armor in the entire UNSC, she ensured they received the training--both academic and combat--to put them ahead of any foe they would encounter, both in terms of intelligence and combat capability. She did treasonous things to ensure her Spartans wouldn't die.

Regarding the clones:

If I were in the situation in the parents, there is no question that whether I knew my child died or that he was missing indefinitely, it would be devastating. But I would also think that knowing the fate of my child would be more cathartic in the long term than wondering where he is 40 years down the line--wondering whether he is still alive or dead in some gutter.

Halsey didn't make those clones so they could die. She made those clones so she could give the parents whose lives she had obviously destroyed some comfort in the false knowledge of what happened to their child. In the words of Batman in The Dark Knight, "Sometimes, the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more."

Those parents deserve more.

No one is disputing that Halsey has done very questionable things to say the least, but those who dislike Traviss's depiction recognize context. Halsey did the wrong things for the absolute right reasons, and after committing acts everyone would consider war crimes, she tried to atone for her sins not so much to grant herself immunity--as she knew she would never receive that--but rather give back some of the life she'd taken away.

  • 10.29.2012 6:04 PM PDT

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Yes, replace her, Eric Nylund is the best Halo writing novelist.

[Edited on 10.29.2012 9:09 PM PDT]

  • 10.29.2012 9:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Testing the flood on prisoners sure is evil, but i don't see how that means kidnapping and experimenting on kids, which resulted in the death of some of them, isn't evil.


ONI did that testing. Which means that without a doubt, Parangosky knew about it. I find it very hard to believe that her little pet AI is able to dig up so much information on Halsey while Reach is going all to hell, and yet certain things are "hidden" from her. There's no way she wouldn't have known about the clones, and there's no way that she wouldn't have known about the Flood tests. Which makes Parangosky - as head of ONI she would have authorized the tests - a horrible monster of a woman.

And please, don't bend the Spartan program to sound like it was some "test" that they didn't know the end result. They had done copious amounts of testing on chimps - as close to Human subjects as they could get - and they determined that pre-teen bodies would take to the augmentations with the highest rate of success - the entire reason that children were used.

Every single measure was taken to ensure that the maximum number of children would survive the procedure (not an experiment, they knew what would happen,) and as we're learning more and more, very few Spartans died - if any at all - and those that were "disfigured" were fully rehabilitated and put back into UNSC action. The only negative thing that Osman has that's truly hindering her is that enormous chip in her shoulder thanks to Travissty's narration.

ONI's sins doesn't mean Hasley is not responsible for her evil.

She's no saint, but Halsey has committed no evil. Certainly no actions that would deem her accountable while Parangosky is all squeaky clean, snorting ginger and handing out cookies like a good grandmother.

Well the kids did leave there beds. It makes it worse when the parents believe the lie, and think that there children died of some natural cause, when it wasn't there child at all.

Oh, yes. Far worse than their children disappearing one night without any trace, leaving the parents to forever wonder where their child went, who took them, what happened to them, etc etc. There really is no condemning the motives behind the flash-clones. The parents received closure, and yes, that is better than a young death. For now (until it becomes more relevant canon,) I choose to ignore the mother who offed herself, as Traviss wrote that to demonize Halsey with a matter that did far more good than bad.

  • 10.30.2012 3:21 AM PDT

God I hate Eric Nylund. It feels like I'm reading a fan fiction when I pick First Strike.

  • 10.30.2012 7:58 AM PDT
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  • 10.30.2012 9:16 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

I really just want some closure on Gamma Company's fate. Instead of suddenly introducing Spartan-IVs, they should have had Gamma Company survive their mission and go on to become the Infinity's signiature fighting force or something along those lines.

  • 10.30.2012 9:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron


Look at my past page. She's treated as being evil and morally wrong, and the guys on 'moral high ground' are far worse.




And that's why I don't understand why people think Traviss is putting HER OWN views of Halsey's actions into the book by writing "everyone's" view of Halsey as evil. Aside from Mendez (who seems to be just using Halsey as a scapegoat for the guilt he feels himself) and characters who don't know even a fraction of the whole situation, the only ones really judging Halsey's actions are Parengoski and her lot and as you said, they aren't exactly on the moral high ground. I think that's the point, Parengoski isn't really judging her because of moral code, her's isn't much if at all better(and I think she knows it). She just hates Halsey and this is as good an excuse to get at her as anything. No one who has the full story or any real moral high ground in the book is actually judging Halsey, it's supposed to be a complicated issue that makes you think a bit more than that.

I also think part of the way people are reading all of this Halsey judgement coming out of the book, might just be the way it's read. I listened to it in audio book format, so it was paced out evenly for me with out much dwelling on specific things, but people actually reading the book that are prone to stop and dwell on new topics and ideas that perhaps haven't been presented to them before and that dwelling can give more weight to something that isn't really as big a part of the book as perhaps intended. Listening to it in audio book I really didn't feel like characters were berating the reader with the idea of Halsey being a monster (and I've already stated the position that most of the ones that did speak of that come from). Certainly it was mentioned at various points by different characters, but not that often, and really more in ways that reflected on the character having those feelings than on Halsey herself.

  • 10.30.2012 9:33 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
I really just want some closure on Gamma Company's fate. Instead of suddenly introducing Spartan-IVs, they should have had Gamma Company survive their mission and go on to become the Infinity's signiature fighting force or something along those lines.


What really 'grinds my gears' is the fact the bulk of Gamma company apparently did survive whatever opening missions they got tasked, and were then put into the S4 numbers.

So not only do we have NO idea what their first mission as a company was (as each company had several and then the suicide one.), we have no idea where they went afterwards.

  • 10.30.2012 10:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
Halsey wasn't portrayed as evil by Traviss.

According to characters like Vaz, yes, she was. And the constant "lock and key" that she's put under on the Infinity like she's on the edge of her seat waiting to hijack it, all because she saved a freaking Spartan's life.

Not to mention she practically all but waves a gun at harmless Huragok - beings that she would damn well know would both not be intimidated, and were they're only shot at getting word out. Someone of Halsey's pedigree would not do something like that, ever.
1. One jarhead thought she was evil, so that sums up her entire portrayal?

2. Her being pushy with a Huragok isn't out of character for her. Would her depiction in Reach or any previous lore lead you to expect any different of her. She's only ever been nice and motherly with the Spartans, if I recall correctly. Her getting uppity with an Engineer, especially considering her and her group's circumstances, shouldn't surprise you.

  • 10.30.2012 1:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: ajw34307
I really just want some closure on Gamma Company's fate. Instead of suddenly introducing Spartan-IVs, they should have had Gamma Company survive their mission and go on to become the Infinity's signiature fighting force or something along those lines.


What really 'grinds my gears' is the fact the bulk of Gamma company apparently did survive whatever opening missions they got tasked, and were then put into the S4 numbers.

So not only do we have NO idea what their first mission as a company was (as each company had several and then the suicide one.), we have no idea where they went afterwards.
I'll admit that I'm yearning for some closure regarding the remaining S-IIIs. (Was Katana ever declared KIA and unable to be resuscitated?)

[Edited on 10.30.2012 1:27 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: ajw34307
I really just want some closure on Gamma Company's fate. Instead of suddenly introducing Spartan-IVs, they should have had Gamma Company survive their mission and go on to become the Infinity's signiature fighting force or something along those lines.


What really 'grinds my gears' is the fact the bulk of Gamma company apparently did survive whatever opening missions they got tasked, and were then put into the S4 numbers.

So not only do we have NO idea what their first mission as a company was (as each company had several and then the suicide one.), we have no idea where they went afterwards.
I'll admit that I'm yearning for some closure regarding the remaining S-IIIs. (Was Katana ever declared KIA and unable to be resuscitated?)


Nope, Traviss mentioned them and then dropped them like yesterdays news.

  • 10.30.2012 1:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
2. Her being pushy with a Huragok isn't out of character for her. Would her depiction in Reach or any previous lore lead you to expect any different of her. She's only ever been nice and motherly with the Spartans, if I recall correctly. Her getting uppity with an Engineer, especially considering her and her group's circumstances, shouldn't surprise you.
Would you say that Cortana would have reacted in the same way? Is Halsey really that controlled by hasty emotions?

  • 10.30.2012 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: ajw34307
I really just want some closure on Gamma Company's fate. Instead of suddenly introducing Spartan-IVs, they should have had Gamma Company survive their mission and go on to become the Infinity's signiature fighting force or something along those lines.


What really 'grinds my gears' is the fact the bulk of Gamma company apparently did survive whatever opening missions they got tasked, and were then put into the S4 numbers.

So not only do we have NO idea what their first mission as a company was (as each company had several and then the suicide one.), we have no idea where they went afterwards.
I'll admit that I'm yearning for some closure regarding the remaining S-IIIs. (Was Katana ever declared KIA and unable to be resuscitated?)


Nope, Traviss mentioned them and then dropped them like yesterdays news.


Apparently the slipspace pods are opened and they get medical help in Glasslands when Onyx goes back to realspace. After never being mentioned IIRC in the beginning when the group leaves the area they came into.



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Posted by: Primo84
2. Her being pushy with a Huragok isn't out of character for her. Would her depiction in Reach or any previous lore lead you to expect any different of her. She's only ever been nice and motherly with the Spartans, if I recall correctly. Her getting uppity with an Engineer, especially considering her and her group's circumstances, shouldn't surprise you.
Would you say that Cortana would have reacted in the same way? Is Halsey really that controlled by hasty emotions?


Honestly, I don't see Halsey being pushy toward an engineer or AI because any threats must be followed through or they just won't take you seriously. I'd see her trying to convince it to cooperate, not wave pistols like I hear she did <_<.

[Edited on 10.30.2012 2:41 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
1. One jarhead thought she was evil, so that sums up her entire portrayal?


Vaz thinks she's evil. Mendez is somehow able to pin all the blame on her now, seeing her as far more worse than himself. Osman thinks Halsey is evil due to the huge chip on her shoulder. Black Box, despite the capacity to see the situations at hand, views Halsey as an "AI Murderer." And now - Gods, I hope this does not carry over into Halo 4 - Laskey de-values Halsey's overall significance to the UNSC as the top Forerunner professional. There are many others, but not off the top of my head.

2. Her being pushy with a Huragok isn't out of character for her.

Pushy is incessantly arguing with the Huragok. This I would expect. Pushy is not threatening to shoot them. This is something that Halsey would never do.

  • 10.30.2012 6:29 PM PDT