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Subject: I think we can pretty much guess the fate of the Arbiter now

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

It seems overwhelmingly evident now from the the Halo 4 guide pages that Thel, his peace ideals and whatever progressive following he had has been decisively defeated. Moreover, it would seem that the Covenant as an organization is back to the way it once was. The Great Schism being not so great, and a schism it can barely be called now that the races that made it up are not only back together in seemingly full cooperation with each other, but are also pressing the exact same agenda as the "previous" Covenant. The only difference is seemingly a lack of Brutes, Prophets and the the Great Journey. Other than that though, it is still essentially the same organization that we thought we had broken at the end of Halo 3, along with everything that implies.

Given the price of failure, it is likely he is dead. Jul probably returns to Sanghelios, spills the beans on ONI's totally-not-contrived-plots-to-get-the-Sangheili-to-fight-aga in and manages to get them to do exactly that. So we get back to status quo.

A few interesting lines I noticed:

An overwhelming number of Sangheili troops currently fall within the Storm Elite class; they are effectively the iron heart of the Covenant.
A collection of the most experienced and seasoned Sangheili troops from the previous war now compromise the Elite Warrior class, what is effectively an elevated role of nobility within the Covenant military body.
Seems unlikely that Storm would have a collection of the most seasoned and experienced troops if it were not the only faction to compete for them.

As the most fervent adherents to the faith, Elite Zealots were often viewed as ruthless warmongers, even within the context of the Covenant. But with the absence of San 'Shyuum leadership, the Zealots have shifted into the more practical arena of social and political leadership, operating as the consummate head of the Covenant.
Earmarked by their tenure in the previous Covenant body, Imperial Grunts are experienced soldiers from the former war and have in turn been offered a slightly higher placement in the newly established Covenant order.
Easily the most common among the current Kig-Yar population, Storm Jackals represent the tip of the spear of the Covenant military body.
With their core ideals fractured, the Sangheili fell into civil war. Rising from these conflicts was a fringe-sect of Sangheili who, along with other species, were completely dedicated to the unravelling of ancient Forerunner mysteries and continuing the previous efforts of the Covenant.
Presumably, rising in this overall context means the only ones left to call the shots.

Personally, the only word to describe this rather conservative and unimaginative path for the story to evolve is disappointment; disappointment in the sheer wasted potential due to the number of ways in which they could have evolved the Covenant races into something more than gribblies and irrational hive minded morons, and disappointment in the contraction of Halo's setting back to its petty black and white divides, and its cookie-cut stereotypes. It also means that 343i has already started to retcon its own material, as the Return doesn't mention any of this. Can someone remind me what the purpose of the Arbiter's segments were in Halo 2, and why he is a main character again in the games? I expected more, 343i. All I can say is "meh" to Halo 4, really. The Halo Universe looks pretty deflated.

[Edited on 10.31.2012 1:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 7:16 PM PDT

I'll judge halo 4 after release... but agreed on the meh.

Honestly, it feels retardedly defeating for a vet halo player (as in, played the other games. not "OMG, I PLAYED CE BEFORE YOU. MY WORD IS LAW") to go at the end of halo 3 (as a player, and as I'd see John's perspective being) "Yes, the covenant is defeated and shattered... humanity is saved." and then halo 4 "Covenant is back, humanity is threatened." I mean, seriously? It feels like the ending of halo 3 just got punched in the balls like the orange guy in red vs blue gets targeted by Tex in the couple fights.

The whole scene of Arbiter killing the prophet of truth had the impact of "Holy -blam!-, the mastermind behind the Covenant-human war, the REASON the races of the covenant hated humanity, the mad-man with power, is dead. With his corpse lies the corpse of the Covenant." Now the Covenant is back. Everything like it was before. I honestly half felt this when I saw elites, jackals, and grunts fighting together against the chief, but now that they are calling the group a reformed covenant it's too far (for that area) for me. I'll still play the game... but it's disappointing.

I honestly said to myself early, early on, after Frankie said the elites were "a side enemy, not the main one" this... "We are not only going to see the elites, grunts, and jackals in nearly every level, they are pretty much going to be a major enemy force."

Guess what we see now? They are a major enemy force! =_=.

  • 10.30.2012 7:56 PM PDT

Posted by: cB4d93
Posted by: Silent Eli
you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

I'm sure we see the Arbiter's forces in Spartan Ops.

  • 10.30.2012 8:23 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: BK Burger Boy
I'm sure we see the Arbiter's forces in Spartan Ops.

I'm afraid that was never true. Someone created a jpeg image of a supposed HaloGAF post but altered it to say that. A prank, in other words.

  • 10.30.2012 8:27 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

From "side enemy" to "full blown adversary".

*sigh*

  • 10.30.2012 8:49 PM PDT
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It does make sense. How could he get so many ships in such a short amount of time (6 months)?

Killing off the Arbiter would be an atrocity. Or are they going to make him seem like he's dead but he was actually imprisoned a la Didact? :/

They could have at least updated the Elite AI instead of reusing Reach's AI and making some minor changes. Afaik, Halo 4 Elites are just Reach Elites with H3 Brute base movement and responsiveness. H2 Elites were real cheap and there was nothing special about their movement but at least they sought cover. CE Elites were the pinnacle of Sangheili efficiency. They were stupid but they were believably stupid. Every AI after CE had some sort of pathfinding problem. I couldn't take them very seriously: running into walls, getting distracted by crates, having the urges to melee a nearby scenery item.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I honestly said to myself early, early on, after Frankie said the elites were "a side enemy, not the main one" this... "We are not only going to see the elites, grunts, and jackals in nearly every level, they are pretty much going to be a major enemy force."

Guess what we see now? They are a major enemy force! =_=.
I think I recall reading a post on Neogaf from a player who got a legal copy early (not pirated) and he said that enemy encounters were split 50/50 or something. Covies and Prometheans are allegedly equally important to the story.

343 either have some serious communication problems or they'll trying to send people into panic. It'd seem 343 merely meant that the Elites would be pushovers compared to the Prometheans.

[Edited on 10.30.2012 9:04 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 9:03 PM PDT

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Didn't Frankie hint at the Arbiter making some sort of cameo in Spartan Ops...?

  • 10.30.2012 9:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: The 7th Taco
Didn't Frankie hint at the Arbiter making some sort of cameo in Spartan Ops...?
It's a hoax. Isn't it strange that they posted a screenshot instead of the actual Neogaf link? Anyways, just look up the post number.

  • 10.30.2012 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: The 7th Taco
Didn't Frankie hint at the Arbiter making some sort of cameo in Spartan Ops...?
It's a hoax. Isn't it strange that they posted a screenshot instead of the actual Neogaf link? Anyways, just look up the post number.


No no, I'm talking about a video. I remember Frankie being questioned about the Arbiter returning and he responded with some answer hinting at a possible Spartan Ops cameo?

I can't find the video due to slow internet, but I think it was after he played a Campaign demo in Europe was it? Not sure, maybe you can find it.

  • 10.30.2012 10:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: The 7th Taco

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: The 7th Taco
Didn't Frankie hint at the Arbiter making some sort of cameo in Spartan Ops...?
It's a hoax. Isn't it strange that they posted a screenshot instead of the actual Neogaf link? Anyways, just look up the post number.


No no, I'm talking about a video. I remember Frankie being questioned about the Arbiter returning and he responded with some answer hinting at a possible Spartan Ops cameo?

I can't find the video due to slow internet, but I think it was after he played a Campaign demo in Europe was it? Not sure, maybe you can find it.
Eurogamer dev session?

If this is really true, I hope it's not a flashback. He simply must appear as a contemporary!

[Edited on 10.30.2012 11:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2012 11:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
With his corpse lies the corpse of the Covenant.
I agree with a lot of things both of you mentioned. It is as if nothing has changed, they're back on square one, and only for the sake of having the classic Covenant (more or less) as a force one can fight againt in the games, a third team in order to make the conflicts more colourful; no pun intended.

I also find it shallow that they're reducing the various factions down to species level, as if it is impossible to disagree with someone of ones own species? (On a sidenote, I really hope not all Forerunner are evil).

If the Covenant are to be involved at all in this trilogy staring the Master Chief as the main character, if those conditions are met, then Chief better be fighting alongside Thel sooner or later, I demand to see that silhouette again! Otherwise I don't see the point of them ever having been allies, if not to introduce that kind of dynamicity, that kind of--at first--forced understanding towards one another, but then actually learing something about respect and other virtues. It is also one of the more interesting fellowships I've seen, so it would be a shame to waste it. (It's a bit of a personal request, but I feel that if it is met, the rest will sort of follow that path, fall into the place I more or less want it to).

Underlined: Exactly.
"I... am... Truth! The voice of the Covenant!"
"And so... you must be silenced!"

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Killing off the Arbiter would be an atrocity. Or are they going to make him seem like he's dead but he was actually imprisoned a la Didact? :/
The Return of Thel, I can totally see that as an intrigue! Not only would he return after being presumed dead, he would return to wearing his golden armour.

[Edited on 10.31.2012 5:00 AM PDT]

  • 10.31.2012 3:50 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
It also means that 343i has already started to retcon its own material, as the Return doesn't mention any of this.


Or maybe that's because you're wrong and are overdramatizing things? Jul M'dama can promise something for the faith-shattered Elites the Prophets could never promise, which is to actually meet one of their gods and talk to him. Imagine the potential millions of Elites who would flock to the possibilities that their gods had not in fact abandoned them, doubly so for the Zealots, who as fate would have it, now run the show.

That same logic can be applied to the Grunts, who though operated out of fear for the most part, were still strong believers one way or another. The Hunters and Jackals on the other hand are mercenaries, their being there does not mean anything beyond the Storm having something to offer, something Arbiter wouldn't offer seeing as "all who served the Prophets will be punished."

We know that there were a lot of neutral Elite Keeps who didn't seem to particuarly care either way about the civil war and humans, but what they probably did care about was their entire reason for living being thrown out when the Prophets abandoned them. They would be a breeding ground for Storm soldiers.

The Arbiter didn't have to lose. He might be outnumbered, but nothing we have indicates he was destroyed beyond wild guess work based in vague details.

Keep up the pessimism people, really enjoying it here.

  • 10.31.2012 4:30 AM PDT

It seems to me a tenuous concordat at best, spurred on by the revelation of the Didact's being on Requiem - they're clinging to straws that fell when the 'Sacred Rings' were revealed as weapons of mass destruction.

I think they'll find their 'God' to be very mortal indeed, and it'll all start breaking apart again. And Thel still has his supporters, even if we don't see any in the K5 trilogy they're mentioned every now and then -

Overthrowing a charismatic leader like Thel 'Vadam would take more than killing him. The ideas around him - his loyal entourage - had to be rooted out too.

And other such mentions too. Maybe the promise of a living God has swayed many to Jul's side, but when they find out their God bleeds, everything will fall apart once more.

  • 10.31.2012 4:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: the real Janaka
The Return of Thel, I can totally see that as an intrigue! Not only would he return after being presumed dead, he would return to wearing his golden armour.
His armor has always been bronze afaik. It's just affected by the lighting (in Halo 2 it seemed silver, in Halo 3 it could turn gold on Floodgate).

Hopefully he'll find Fal 'Chavamee's armor, if it even exists. It'd be very symbolic as the Arbiter rank is restored to it's original purpose.

  • 10.31.2012 9:56 AM PDT

Honestly, my number one issue with the new covenant is it's formation.

It's not a few keeps of the elite homeworld gathering their ships, getting a chunk of the elite numbers (anti-human elites. chunk meaning not majority of all elites). Going off and recruiting the grunts, jackals, and hunters in and starting -blam!- up.

It's formation is ALL the fault of ONI. ONI's -blam!- meddling to "make sure elites are never a threat again" turns them into a threat. That's the worst part.

I could probably live with option number 1, but number 2 is just blah.

  • 10.31.2012 10:00 AM PDT

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Trying to get Waypoint to update Halo 3 stats in detail like here. Now no one can see that my Halo 3 Spartan no longer looks like my Reach Spartan.

Really want to be a Heroic member or have a title. :/

I look forward to Halo 4 but every time I get more information its another change. They have taken everything one of Thel has worked for and crushed it. I hope they set things right for the elites in Halo 5.

  • 10.31.2012 10:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
The Return of Thel, I can totally see that as an intrigue! Not only would he return after being presumed dead, he would return to wearing his golden armour.
His armor has always been bronze afaik. It's just affected by the lighting (in Halo 2 it seemed silver, in Halo 3 it could turn gold on Floodgate).
My bad, I should have been more precise. I meant the armour he wore during his time as Supreme Commander.

  • 10.31.2012 10:20 AM PDT

Nerd

Excuse me if I'm incorrect but wasn't it understood that the Sangheili forces we make contact with in Halo 4 are in fact the last remaining remnants of the former Covenant? I thought I heard that before in an interview with 343. I'm sorry if I'm wrong here, I haven't really been keeping up with this game in fear of having it spoiled for me.

  • 10.31.2012 10:29 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Thel probably lost the civil war on Sanghelios, but I highly doubt he is dead. Vadam was probably laid to waste but I'm confident he escaped.

Sanghelios is their homeworld, but not their only planet. The Arbiter is bound to have supporters in other colonies. They wouldn't kill off such an important character in a novel or on the sidelines of a game.

  • 10.31.2012 10:42 AM PDT


Posted by: RadicalPalomino
Excuse me if I'm incorrect but wasn't it understood that the Sangheili forces we make contact with in Halo 4 are in fact the last remaining remnants of the former Covenant? I thought I heard that before in an interview with 343. I'm sorry if I'm wrong here, I haven't really been keeping up with this game in fear of having it spoiled for me.


That was a rumor long ago.

It's pretty much confirmed now the Storm is actively rebuilding the Covenant empire.

  • 10.31.2012 11:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: the real Janaka
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Posted by: the real Janaka
The Return of Thel, I can totally see that as an intrigue! Not only would he return after being presumed dead, he would return to wearing his golden armour.
His armor has always been bronze afaik. It's just affected by the lighting (in Halo 2 it seemed silver, in Halo 3 it could turn gold on Floodgate).
My bad, I should have been more precise. I meant the armour he wore during his time as Supreme Commander.
Oh well I like the Arbiter armor better. It's more intricate.

Look at Leviathan's work and tell me that's not more interesting than what we have now (primitive Elites suitable for horror genre).

Anyways, I wouldn't mind seeing Arby with his Zealot armor if he had his cloak (could be recolored to green) and helmet. Green cloak, blue/orange lights, badass helmet, and gold armor would be stunning.

[Edited on 10.31.2012 11:39 AM PDT]

  • 10.31.2012 11:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
It seems overwhelmingly evident now from the the Halo 4 guide pages that Thel, his peace ideals and whatever progressive following he had has been decisively defeated. Moreover, it would seem that the Covenant as an organization is back to the way it once was. The Great Schism being not so great, and a schism it can barely be called now that the races that made it up are not only back together in seemingly full cooperation with each other, but are also pressing the exact same agenda as the "previous" Covenant. The only difference is seemingly a lack of Brutes, Prophets and the the Great Journey. Other than that though, it is still essentially the same organization that we thought we had broken at the end of Halo 3, along with everything that implies.

Given the price of failure, it is likely he is dead. Jul probably returns to Sanghelios, spills the beans on ONI's totally-not-contrived-plots-to-get-the-Sangheili-to-fight-aga in and manages to get them to do exactly that. So we get back to status quo.

A few interesting lines I noticed:

An overwhelming number of Sangheili troops currently fall within the Storm Elite class; they are effectively the iron heart of the Covenant.
A collection of the most experienced and seasoned Sangheili troops from the previous war now compromise the Elite Warrior class, what is effectively an elevated role of nobility within the Covenant military body.
Seems unlikely that Storm would have a collection of the most seasoned and experienced troops if it were not the only faction to compete for them.

As the most fervent adherents to the faith, Elite Zealots were often viewed as ruthless warmongers, even within the context of the Covenant. But with the absence of San 'Shyuum leadership, the Zealots have shifted into the more practical arena of social and political leadership, operating as the consummate head of the Covenant.
Earmarked by their tenure in the previous Covenant body, Imperial Grunts are experienced soldiers from the former war and have in turn been offered a slightly higher placement in the newly established Covenant order.
Easily the most common among the current Kig-Yar population, Storm Jackals represent the tip of the spear of the Covenant military body.
With their core ideals fractured, the Sangheili fell into civil war. Rising from these conflicts was a fringe-sect of Sangheili who, along with other species, were completely dedicated to the unravelling of ancient Forerunner mysteries and continuing the previous efforts of the Covenant.
Presumably, rising in this overall context means the only ones left to call the shots.

Personally, the only word to describe this rather conservative and unimaginative path for the story to evolve is disappointment; disappointment in the sheer wasted potential due to the number of ways in which they could have evolved the Covenant races into something more than gribblies and irrational hive minded morons, and disappointment in the contraction of Halo's setting back to its petty black and white divides, and its cookie-cut stereotypes. It also means that 343i has already started to retcon its own material, as the Return doesn't mention any of this. Can someone remind me what the purpose of the Arbiter's segments were in Halo 2, and why he is a main character again in the games? I expected more, 343i. All I can say is "meh" to Halo 4, really. The Halo Universe looks pretty deflated.
Thel may be defeated, but that doesnt mean hes dead. Hecould easily be leading another fringe sect of Sangheli dedicated to an alliance with the Humans.

  • 10.31.2012 1:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
It also means that 343i has already started to retcon its own material, as the Return doesn't mention any of this.


Or maybe that's because you're wrong and are overdramatizing things? Jul M'dama can promise something for the faith-shattered Elites the Prophets could never promise, which is to actually meet one of their gods and talk to him. Imagine the potential millions of Elites who would flock to the possibilities that their gods had not in fact abandoned them, doubly so for the Zealots, who as fate would have it, now run the show.

That same logic can be applied to the Grunts, who though operated out of fear for the most part, were still strong believers one way or another. The Hunters and Jackals on the other hand are mercenaries, their being there does not mean anything beyond the Storm having something to offer, something Arbiter wouldn't offer seeing as "all who served the Prophets will be punished."

We know that there were a lot of neutral Elite Keeps who didn't seem to particuarly care either way about the civil war and humans, but what they probably did care about was their entire reason for living being thrown out when the Prophets abandoned them. They would be a breeding ground for Storm soldiers.

The Arbiter didn't have to lose. He might be outnumbered, but nothing we have indicates he was destroyed beyond wild guess work based in vague details.

Keep up the pessimism people, really enjoying it here.

This is all just patchwork and ad hoc rationalising to justify a lazy "story".

The path that they chose to go down, by having the Covenant rebuilt because of the Didact returning and wanting to kill Humans (What a completely original plot) is an inferior substitute to tackling the existential crises, the cultural changes, the changes in mindset and the break down in species defined loyalties, that the "Covenant" would otherwise be having in the absence of such a contrived plot. And it is contrived, because invoking the Forerunners to get that to happen is literally invoking an act of God in the story. No matter how well you "justify" having the Covenant rebuilt and coming back as enemies in pretty much their old functional role, it is still inferior and always will be because it is cutting corners, skipping over more interesting material that could literally fill entire books and multiple viewpoints, and aspires to nothing more than getting back to "All Aliens hate all Humans". The fact that they are also not only the same Covenant functionally, politically, religiously and socially, but are also characterized by the desire to destroy Humanity is, I'm afraid, nothing short of BS of the laziest calibre. It renders the entire past trilogy - meaningless and pointless.

It's actually that bad that I can't seriously view it as a continuation of Halo's story. I just can't. It's a different universe than what it was 5 years ago with altered facts to make this all fit. It's clear, at least to me, that this is a different story and universe merely with the privilege of using the copyrighted material - names and visuals - from Halo. But it can't Halo as far as I'm concerned, identity wise.

It is just a completely boring turn taking us back down the same old road that we have been travelling for the past 10 years, and it was so heavily implied to get more interesting after Halo 3 as well. I don't care how they justify it; having the Forerunners as enemies is in itself quite awful, because it is also the same deal, and also because it is irrelevant. All the issues they could focus on is instead "avoided" by playing the "Forerunners are enemies" card. For 10 years we have had cookie-cut Covenant, and now we'll always get that, won't we? I should have saw this coming when they had Raia 'Mdama killed off. It seems that in Halo canon, any Covenant character with an interesting and dynamic personality is killed off to keep the status quo going. And now they even have the unimaginative look to go along with the unimaginative personality that they have been given.

I mean you are operating under the assumption that there would be a landslide majority to draw from in terms of religious zealots when in actual fact it has been implied so many times now to the point of being anvilicious that the Elites were fractured and divided to the point where Truth discarded them entirely. It therefore doesn't seem like this species natural evolution, after having several major tenets of their faith destroyed and the rest thrown into doubt due to the lies that the Prophets told, suddenly jumping back into the role of the Old Covenant and pushing that agenda when they were not happy in it in the first place. Oh of course, they can "Bring back the Forerunners and have them as enemies to make it work" - if I had read that in a fanfic I would have closed the browser window. Well, unfortunately, the Elites were fractured and divided over their faith before the Schism, so I don't see what good that would do. But of course we can always pretend that they weren't fractured and divided before the Schism, right?

And yeah, "the grunts are afraid therefore will join" - Don't you see what the -blam!- I'm talking about? STEREOTYPES. We're back to it! "Jackals are pirates and go for the best deal" - Stereotypes again. Because no Jackal leaders could ever have a set of principles to stick to and say "No" to the Storm, right? The living standards and rights that these species received under the Covenant were atrocious, but yet they just want to go back to that rather than take the opportunity to rise up whilst it is in tatters? I mean, they just skipped over that rather pertinent issue too? Who writes this?

Blah.

And why would Thel still be alive if he lost? That implies that he ran away. Mind you he has already been portrayed as weak and pathetic leader with no charisma by Traviss so maybe they would actually have him slip away to save his own back. Even if he is still alive, somehow, the fact that he has lost any chance to turn things around is still an invalidation of his entire story.

343i lied to us. They said at SDCC10 that there were many different viewpoints to explore before Glasslands. That was a lie, wasn't it? Frankie said that the Covenant were overhauled. That was a lie in all but graphical terms. He said that the Storm was a faction. That was a politician's answer because what he forget to mention was that they are the only faction left.

  • 10.31.2012 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Look at Leviathan's work and tell me that's not more interesting than what we have now (primitive Elites suitable for horror genre).

It's really sad that a fan can put more thought and regard into something as simple as armour designs than 343 can put into the entire story. Shame, really. The idea of the Sangheili adopting their own designs is interesting, but of course:

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  • 10.31.2012 2:25 PM PDT

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I think it would be a massive shame if the Arbiters story simply fizzles out in the background. It's a slap in the face of the original Bungie trilogy and the development and change of the Elites as a species, the break-up of the Covenant and the tentative mutual needs of both the Elites and UNSC.

"...and then the Elites went 'Actually lets just do what we used to do, derp.' And then the Elites were bad again. THE END."

It's sounds like fan fic, especially alongside Halseys story.

Halo isn't a Coen brothers movie, killing off the Arbiter in the background would be utterly horrid.

  • 10.31.2012 3:02 PM PDT

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