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Subject: Why can't we discuss illegal substances on Bnet?

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I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

There are far more appropriate outlets to discuss your illegal substances (4chan, IRL, not-Bungie.net).

Besides, why would you want to talk to a bunch of 12-year-olds in the Flood who have no idea what they're talking about anyway?

  • 10.31.2012 8:37 PM PDT
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Can we talk about prescription drugs?

  • 10.31.2012 8:40 PM PDT

I've wondered why we can't talk about drugs in an informative context. Like, for example, a thread about the inherent unfairness of the punishments for possession crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine. It's not like I would be discussing "where 2 get da best crack" or saying that drugs are OK.

  • 10.31.2012 9:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699
I've wondered why we can't talk about drugs in an informative context. Like, for example, a thread about the inherent unfairness of the punishments for possession crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine. It's not like I would be discussing "where 2 get da best crack" or saying that drugs are OK.
It's an even steeper and slipperier slope from the top of Mount Illegal Drugs to the Valley of Inappropriate Discussion than it is from the Peak of Religion or even the Summit of Politics Ridge.

  • 10.31.2012 9:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: coolmike699
I've wondered why we can't talk about drugs in an informative context. Like, for example, a thread about the inherent unfairness of the punishments for possession crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine. It's not like I would be discussing "where 2 get da best crack" or saying that drugs are OK.
That example is actually political; it'll likely cause flaming due to the aggressive nature of political threads, which is why they're against the rules. But, of course, there is a grey line. I'm sure there are topics that touch basis with illegal drugs that wouldn't get locked, such as more news oriented topics. I don't know B.net moderators to strictly follow the written rules; I would presume it's even preferred that they think for themselves, to appropriately respond when something goes against the writing but not the spirit of the rules, or when trolls find new ways to stir trouble.

To fully develop topics relating to the illegal use of drugs, users may (want to) acknowledge why people use them, what effects they have, perhaps even how they're used, &c. That is not safe information for Bungie to have on their website at any time. I wouldn't even be surprised if an off-topic conversation solely about using drugs started.

  • 10.31.2012 10:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

I was waiting for someone to make the "freedom of speech" argument (my personal favorite) but it seems no one has. I won't go as far as saying I'm proud of the community, but maybe there's hope after all (although the topic quickly moved to obfuscation by trying to draw a line in the sand between suitable and unsuitable topics of discussion).

  • 11.01.2012 1:30 AM PDT

Why is this even a question?

  • 11.01.2012 1:37 AM PDT

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Why is this even a question?

  • 11.01.2012 5:47 PM PDT

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Woooaaahhh. Responding to a question with a question. What has become of this place?
Posted by: Mythical Wolf
Why is this even a question?
Fix't?

  • 11.01.2012 5:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: talon2000
Because... they're illegal. As in, against the law. Why would Bungie want to house such discussion on their site?

  • 11.01.2012 5:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699
I've wondered why we can't talk about drugs in an informative context. Like, for example, a thread about the inherent unfairness of the punishments for possession crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine. It's not like I would be discussing "where 2 get da best crack" or saying that drugs are OK.


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Gray area! Moderator inconsistency!

No thanks.

  • 11.01.2012 9:43 PM PDT

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We aren't here to ruin your experience (Well Qbix is).

cuz drugs are bad mmkay

  • 11.01.2012 9:50 PM PDT
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Why on Earth would you want to discuss anything like that on BNET?!

  • 11.01.2012 11:41 PM PDT

Progo, Shrew, Chryso, all are the same.

I only take the legal stuff: Bungie.
Drugs are bad kids.
The first time someone "tries" them often isn't the their last.

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  • 11.02.2012 5:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: talon2000
Because... they're illegal.

  • 11.02.2012 6:59 AM PDT

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This thread would have appealed to me more if it was written with crayons.
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I broke one of the cords for my X11s because I couldn't get past the final American course in Doritos Crash Course.

drugs are for mugs.

  • 11.02.2012 7:34 AM PDT


Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: LiberatorOfMind
But they're not illegal to talk about.
You're on bungie.net mate, it is indeed illegal to talk about it. Read a post from Achronos yourself about a similar situation.

Posted by: Achronos
The moderators, at our direction, are particularly sensitive about things that violate our "Render Unto Caesar" clause in the code of conduct.

I don't like having to talk with FBI, ATF, and police about people who are building explosives, so I'm happy to err on the side of caution here. As such, posts that talk about worrying things, like building explosives, violence, physical threats, etc., are met with swift (and usually permanent) bans.

Expect your continuing posts about these topics to get yourself and your alts permabanned. Make no mistake - you do NOT have freedom of speech on our website. You do have the freedom to go elsewhere. Take the hint, and talk about your explosive-building hobby elsewhere.


Thanks for the detailed reply. What I'm wondering is if this rule applies to private groups as well. It's technically Bungie's site, but it's not in the public eye. So, would it be a problem?

I know there are groups like the Black Chapter that exist solely for the purpose of discussing banned content on the mains. Would they have to moderate, to a certain degree, on issues such as this?

  • 11.02.2012 2:54 PM PDT

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Because drugs are bad, mmkay.

  • 11.02.2012 3:02 PM PDT


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Posted by: ChorrizoTapatio
Because drugs are bad, mmkay.

  • 11.02.2012 9:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: LiberatorOfMind
But they're not illegal to talk about.
You're on bungie.net mate, it is indeed illegal to talk about it. Read a post from Achronos yourself about a similar situation.

Posted by: Achronos
The moderators, at our direction, are particularly sensitive about things that violate our "Render Unto Caesar" clause in the code of conduct.

I don't like having to talk with FBI, ATF, and police about people who are building explosives, so I'm happy to err on the side of caution here. As such, posts that talk about worrying things, like building explosives, violence, physical threats, etc., are met with swift (and usually permanent) bans.

Expect your continuing posts about these topics to get yourself and your alts permabanned. Make no mistake - you do NOT have freedom of speech on our website. You do have the freedom to go elsewhere. Take the hint, and talk about your explosive-building hobby elsewhere.


Thanks for the detailed reply. What I'm wondering is if this rule applies to private groups as well. It's technically Bungie's site, but it's not in the public eye. So, would it be a problem?

I know there are groups like the Black Chapter that exist solely for the purpose of discussing banned content on the mains. Would they have to moderate, to a certain degree, on issues such as this?
There are no official rules for Private Groups aside from those you agreed to when you made the group and the ones you agreed to in the CoC and the ToU.

  • 11.02.2012 9:38 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

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Posted by: talon2000
Because... they're illegal. As in, against the law. Why would Bungie want to house such discussion on their site?


Actually, in several states recreational drug use is perfectly permissible. Be careful of falling into the trap, that many Americans fall into, of assuming that the United States is synonymous with the world.

Beyond that, there is no law in either of our countries which says that one cannot discuss what should be legal or illegal. In fact, that's what our elected representatives are doing all the time, and thank goodness: juridical debate is a sign that a liberal democracy is functioning correctly.

Why would Bungie not want to house such discussion on their site? It seems that many things worth discussing are thoughtlessly prohibited here. That isn't good policy.

  • 11.03.2012 12:34 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Why would Bungie not want to house such discussion on their site? It seems that many things worth discussing are thoughtlessly prohibited here. That isn't good policy.

Why and how did you then agree to the conditions of your membership if you thought them incorrect or unacceptable?

  • 11.03.2012 12:38 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


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Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Why would Bungie not want to house such discussion on their site? It seems that many things worth discussing are thoughtlessly prohibited here. That isn't good policy.

Why and how did you then agree to the conditions of your membership if you thought them incorrect or unacceptable?


I wanted to participate here, and to some extent still care to. However, a condition of my participation is not that I have to agree with every rule and regulation of the place.

This isn't unusual. You're an American citizen, and choose to remain one because of the benefits it affords you. I doubt you agree with every US law, though. You might, perhaps, campaign for the laws you dislike to be changed.

  • 11.03.2012 12:42 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Why would Bungie not want to house such discussion on their site? It seems that many things worth discussing are thoughtlessly prohibited here. That isn't good policy.

Why and how did you then agree to the conditions of your membership if you thought them incorrect or unacceptable?
I wanted to participate here, and to some extent still care to. However, a condition of my participation is not that I have to agree with every rule and regulation of the place.

This isn't unusual. You're an American citizen, and choose to remain one because of the benefits it affords you. I doubt you agree with every US law, though. You might, perhaps, campaign for the laws you dislike to be changed.

You are confusing the public domain with a private domain.

This is not a village square, this is private property. It has terms and conditions of entry, and we either agree to those terms or we stay out. If someone doesn't agree with them, but joins anyway, then they are breaching their own personal contract.

Just as if you have a house rule that people leave their shoes at the door. If someone is visiting, if they know that and don't plan on complying with the condition, then they are being deceitful and dishonorable when they agree to the terms with no intent of following them or keeping their promise.

Are you that self-centered and selfish that you are able and willing to give your word even when you have no intention of keeping it?

  • 11.03.2012 1:18 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


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Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Why would Bungie not want to house such discussion on their site? It seems that many things worth discussing are thoughtlessly prohibited here. That isn't good policy.

Why and how did you then agree to the conditions of your membership if you thought them incorrect or unacceptable?
I wanted to participate here, and to some extent still care to. However, a condition of my participation is not that I have to agree with every rule and regulation of the place.

This isn't unusual. You're an American citizen, and choose to remain one because of the benefits it affords you. I doubt you agree with every US law, though. You might, perhaps, campaign for the laws you dislike to be changed.


You are confusing the public domain with a private domain.


I'm aware of the difference between public and private domains. I'm not sure why you would think that I am not.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
This is not a village square, this is private property. It has terms and conditions of entry, and we either agree to those terms or we stay out. If someone doesn't agree with them, but joins anyway, then they are breaching their own personal contract.


Quite false. Nowhere did I consent to agree with every rule of this site. I consented to be bound by those rules. I might use the same analogy as I did above: you don't agree with all US laws, but you probably don't simply ignore the ones you do disagree with.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Just as if you have a house rule that people leave their shoes at the door. If someone is visiting, if they know that and don't plan on complying with the condition, then they are being deceitful and dishonorable when they agree to the terms with no intent of following them or keeping their promise.

Are you that self-centered and selfish that you are able and willing to give your word even when you have no intention of keeping it?


I have not said I will not abide by the rules here. I've merely said that I disagree with some of them. You would save yourself considerable time if you read more closely.

[Edited on 11.03.2012 1:27 PM PDT]

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