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Subject: Project: Balance, Version 3
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its ok.......

  • 06.30.2006 1:12 PM PDT

~moses~

auto aim should not be removed but toned down

  • 06.30.2006 1:37 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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I appreciate all the support and improvements, but you'll find it very hard to change my opinion. This thread has been through many incarnations and I've discussed just about everything from top to bottom. This is about as good as it gets. With that, here's what I have to say:

Posted by: CORETANA
i think having them home in on each other seems like it will be impossible to dodge them if one hits you. i think it should be just slightly homing in each other.


Guess you didn't hear me right. The attraction between the needles is stronger then the attraction to you. What this will actually do is even if you get hit by one but it's not the first one, you have a chance of getting away if you don't get blasted by too many too fast.


Posted by: Mr Pink7103
Why isn't the creator of this thread working for bungie?

That is all I have to say although I do see some areas that I would change I do for the most part agree with everything you have said.

1 notable change though is that I would keep the long lunge of the sword but make that the weaker 2 hit kill and make the close range no lunge be the insta kill. That would remove it's power weapon status and make it just a balanced low range weapon that it wouldn't matter if it was held by someone.

Also I love the lock on warning but I think much more radical steps need to be taken on vehicles in general to make them more vulnerable to all ground weapons in hopes of perhaps removing the rocket lock on entirely. I have yet to feel good about my self when I lock onto a hog and kill it today but yet I can go back and play halo 1 and feel a true rush when I had to use nades and my primary weapon to flip hogs and kill the occupants with follow up fire.

Though other than those two and a few minor (not even a real issue) details I would want to play your version of halo 3 over halo 2 as it is.
Actually you should get into modding, you could try to pull off what those guys at halo2 CE did if halo 3 turns out to not have this level of balance.


Can't say that's the first time someone's told me I should work at Bungie. I have a natural mind for the job... but not the grades.

The new sword may take some getting used to, but you'll find that it will make the game much more skillful and fun.

Remember, we're not trying to make vehicles impossible to kill, but they need a little support. The lock-on warning should take care of that.


Posted by: metalmoses
auto aim should not be removed but toned down


The system shouldn't hit for you, but you do need help aiming. No auto-aim.

Oh and about modding, I should look into it but I don't have an xbox anymore. I have a 360 and as far as I know, the 360 hasn't been hacked yet.

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  • 06.30.2006 2:03 PM PDT
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I love how everyone makes these goddamned I know where the Arc is threads instead of taking something good into considertaion.

  • 06.30.2006 2:51 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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Threads above mine before this bump:

* MC a woman
* Eon8 - Halo 3's Alternate Reality Game?
* Space Elevator?
* This is what will become of halo three!! my insanely accurate theory
* Ware did the cheif come from? A clone or what?
* Why Cortana can contact the chief
* Cortana-Gravemind theory
* The formidable AI located on high charity

Wow, this forum has gotten so much worse then it was last year. We used to have so many more "intellectuals". Can anything be taken seriously anymore?

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  • 06.30.2006 3:00 PM PDT
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That was just a test to see your true intentions. Indeed, you have been true to your word. I apologize for not being more trustful in your intentions of this thread.

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  • 06.30.2006 3:02 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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I expect nothing. This is all about you guys and what you think.

  • 06.30.2006 3:05 PM PDT
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Im not a yesmen. I disagree with a lot more then I agree with as far as Halo goes.

  • 06.30.2006 3:07 PM PDT
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wow, I cant believe that people would rather talk about the arc for the 2 millionth time then actual gameplay.

  • 06.30.2006 6:16 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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I believe it. They're too lazy to read, yet they're on a forum. Typical gamers. Do the easy stuff and let the smart people die. Without us, you're nothing. I do this all for you.

  • 06.30.2006 7:04 PM PDT
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Bansheeownz, I already know your views from previous posts *correct me if I'm wrong*, but I disagree with starting with a weak, biased weapon, namely the SMG.

I agree that weapons need to be equally balanced, discluding power weapons.

However, starting with a close-range weapon promotes weapon whoring and luck through the spawning system. Because you start with a close-range weapon, you're not going to fair well against someone who's decent with a sniper or battle rifle if they spawn nearer to one.

It also biases your personal choice of weapons towards a single one, creating a disadvantage and advantage for different people, from the start! What I mean is, somebody may personally like close-ranged weapons more than long-range weapons, and vise versa. If you start with a biased weapon, you're shifting towards one side's specialty.

That is why I suggest (and always have suggested) starting with an all-around nuetral weapon, one that is equally good in every situation, but not the best in any.

The pistol from Halo 1 filled this position, although it could be argued that it was overpowered. While I personally disagree with that, a 4-shot pistol would work just fine as the "balancing" weapon I described.

/rant over. Feel free to rant back. :)
-PK

  • 06.30.2006 7:27 PM PDT
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One thing we havent taken into account is that this system will improve on the types of games we are used to in Halo 2. What if the maps are much diffrent in Halo 3.

  • 06.30.2006 7:42 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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Ah, PK. My most important critic. You remember what I said about your all around weapon, right?

I guess I forgot to mention it, I knew I forgot something. How about if the SMG is the standard for small maps, while the Assault Rifle is the standard for large ones. It is, as you said, useful in every situation, and worse then other weapons as well. I'm sure if that were to happen, people would still go hunting for a BR all over. The reason why it has to be that way is the same thing I've always said. "Weapons on Map". I don't want to abandon that concept.

(Went back and added that. Just a few quick sentences.)

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  • 06.30.2006 7:47 PM PDT
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Banshee, can you come down to D-x sometime next week to do weapon placement for a map I am creating. The major details will be done then.

  • 06.30.2006 7:49 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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Posted by: Bungie is a Sage
Banshee, can you come down to D-x sometime next week to do weapon placement for a map I am creating. The major details will be done then.


Of course I will. You might have to remind me if it's going to be that long.

  • 06.30.2006 7:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bungie is a Sage
good job banshee well done.
Now run off and do one for vehicles.
Lol.


Yeah. Lazy bum. We need vehicles! J/k, EXTREMELY nice job, I would love Halo 3 if it were like that.

  • 06.30.2006 8:28 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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Posted by: psychomonkey62
Yeah. Lazy bum. We need vehicles! J/k, EXTREMELY nice job, I would love Halo 3 if it were like that.


Well if Bungie is watching, you know I won't take it personally if you use something from here. In fact, I encourage it. Why wouldn't I?

  • 06.30.2006 8:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: bansheeownz
Posted by: psychomonkey62
Yeah. Lazy bum. We need vehicles! J/k, EXTREMELY nice job, I would love Halo 3 if it were like that.


Well if Bungie is watching, you know I won't take it personally if you use something from here. In fact, I encourage it. Why wouldn't I?


Why would you? I like to talk back to people today for some reason.

  • 06.30.2006 11:45 PM PDT

If you want to see the MC die, play Legendary. If you want to see MC finish the fight, play Halo 3. If you want to see MC finish the fight by dieing, why did you waste six years when you could have done it yourself right now?

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Let's just say it's a certain mod from a certain forum that said something that caused unrelentless attacks on a certain group.

  • 07.01.2006 5:53 AM PDT
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your crazy. You do need to be able to dual wield the weapons but still its very good.

  • 07.01.2006 7:38 AM PDT

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i would like it so the needler did a little less damage

  • 07.01.2006 9:05 AM PDT
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its to weak right now.

  • 07.01.2006 11:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: bansheeownz
Ah, PK. My most important critic. You remember what I said about your all around weapon, right?

I guess I forgot to mention it, I knew I forgot something. How about if the SMG is the standard for small maps, while the Assault Rifle is the standard for large ones. It is, as you said, useful in every situation, and worse then other weapons as well. I'm sure if that were to happen, people would still go hunting for a BR all over. The reason why it has to be that way is the same thing I've always said. "Weapons on Map". I don't want to abandon that concept.

(Went back and added that. Just a few quick sentences.)


The assault rifle sounds good. Probably because I believe the new assault rifle is slightly more accurate.

Alright, that'll work.

I'd still like to have a single shot weapon as secondary though...

  • 07.01.2006 3:23 PM PDT