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Subject: What's still Canon in the Fall of Reach?

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Considering how Halcyon Class Cruisers are barely used at all, I wouldn't be surprised if barely anybody knew that they are able to withstand that.
Mmm.. Maybe the logic I'm applying right now is valid in the Haloverse, but I've got programs om my computer that are able to stress-test things, buildings, etc, I find it very hard to believe that they know what their space ships are capable of withstanding.

  • 11.04.2012 6:18 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Posted by: SpArTaNo9
Halsey gave half of Cortana to chief, well, most of her. A shard of Cortana stayed with Halsey and that's what you give to Captain Keyes.
This makes much more sense.

  • 11.04.2012 7:16 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa
So, you'd rather place information from secondary sources over what comes directly from the creators and developers themselves? No offense, but I find that more than a bit odd to take as a position. The material directly produced and released by the original creators of the series is what should be held in the highest regard.

As much as I agree I would like to point out that the authors of the books worked closely with Bungie/343i. Not too mention that Joseph Staten, the author of Contact Harvest I believe, is an actual Bungie employee.


They still add their own views and interpretations to it...and 343i has done a rather poor job with following up on the books and making sure they adhere to canon *cough*Glasslands*cough*. They may work with the writers to an extent, but it's still the writer's interpretation of what they're given in terms of information and so on that they put into the book, and some, like The Fall of Reach for instance, was done with very little oversight, according to both Bungie and Nylund, as Bungie was more focused on getting Combat Evolved published than anything else. So yes, the writers for the games do work with the people they've contracted for book writing, but the biases and personal views of the book writer are still going to seep into the work and differ to varying degrees from the creator's own visions.

The highest regarded canon should be what comes directly from the writers themselves or those heavily involved in that process, such as Marty O'Donnel, even though he isn't one of the official writers he's still had some influence on the story and its direction (at least from what Staten said/implied in at least one interview). Joseph Staten was one of the people writing the story of the Halo games. I'm not saying the games are the only important thing and everything else should be completely ignored, I'm saying that whatever comes directly from the people who actually write for the game(s) should be taken ahead of what anyone else writes.

  • 11.04.2012 8:19 PM PDT

<(-_-)> Teh mokey is not amused

Why does everyone hate reach cannon so much over TFoR? The battle in TFoR made hardly any sense in that the covenant magically knew the locations of all UNSC outposts on the planet and despite having half the fleet wiped out initially they go on to still defeat the UNSC forces in a single day. The way Reach falls in the game makes much more sense than in the book.

  • 11.05.2012 4:56 AM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

My biggest problem with what Bungie did with Reach is that they failed to release a version of the novel that made more sense. Instead, a new cover was released with a stupid adjunct.

  • 11.05.2012 5:44 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: TheSpiderChief

Posted by: OrderedComa
So, you'd rather place information from secondary sources over what comes directly from the creators and developers themselves? No offense, but I find that more than a bit odd to take as a position. The material directly produced and released by the original creators of the series is what should be held in the highest regard.

As much as I agree I would like to point out that the authors of the books worked closely with Bungie/343i. Not too mention that Joseph Staten, the author of Contact Harvest I believe, is an actual Bungie employee.


They still add their own views and interpretations to it...and 343i has done a rather poor job with following up on the books and making sure they adhere to canon *cough*Glasslands*cough*. They may work with the writers to an extent, but it's still the writer's interpretation of what they're given in terms of information and so on that they put into the book, and some, like The Fall of Reach for instance, was done with very little oversight, according to both Bungie and Nylund, as Bungie was more focused on getting Combat Evolved published than anything else. So yes, the writers for the games do work with the people they've contracted for book writing, but the biases and personal views of the book writer are still going to seep into the work and differ to varying degrees from the creator's own visions.

The highest regarded canon should be what comes directly from the writers themselves or those heavily involved in that process, such as Marty O'Donnel, even though he isn't one of the official writers he's still had some influence on the story and its direction (at least from what Staten said/implied in at least one interview). Joseph Staten was one of the people writing the story of the Halo games. I'm not saying the games are the only important thing and everything else should be completely ignored, I'm saying that whatever comes directly from the people who actually write for the game(s) should be taken ahead of what anyone else writes.

I am so glad 343i disagrees with you.

Regardless of how badly Traviss botched Glasslands, at least 343i acknowledges that the extended fiction is equally valuable and not second priority like Bungie insisted.

  • 11.05.2012 5:46 PM PDT
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Reach was a planet.........tats about it

  • 11.08.2012 6:44 AM PDT

Per Audacia Ad Astra!

For me Halo : The Fall of Reach is canon, but Halo : Reach is not.

  • 11.08.2012 2:08 PM PDT

Tag 'm and Bag 'm


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Arr, this is too tempting..
Posted by: SpArTaNo9
Uh, you know that the Pillar of Autumn was able to land on Reach because of those yellow thrusters right?
The thrusters were there to explain why it was able to take off. Does anything imply that they helped it land, or how the PoA's structural integrity suddenly was able to withstand the planets gravity when taking off?
Or are you being sarcastic?


Nope, The Pillar of Autumn is a Halcyon class cruiser which is one of the strongest cruisers that the UNSC has. I'm pretty sure it's able to survive a planet's gravitational pull.
Ok, so why the endless remarks on the whole ready for in atmosphere stuff, if it's a none-issue, is it just mentioned for teh coolz? If Halcyon class cruisers are able to go in and out of a planet such as Reach's atmosphere, how come it isn't a thing, why don't the do it all the time, surely it must be more practical? Why are they buildt in space from the beginning? Why do they have space elevators?


How would getting in and out of atmosphere be more practical than use pelican dropships? I don't think it is. While getting into an planets atmosphere might be easy getting out of might be a little problematic to do, since escaping from the gravitational pull aquires a ton of energy. The ship might have to use a months worth of fuel to get out of atmosphere, and this ofcourse cost a ton of money. That's probably why the PoA in Reach has aditional trusters to get out of atmosphere. Also the ship may be able to withstand the gravitational pull at first but they will probaly deteriorate after multiple entries thus making the ship not ready for atmosphere.

And for the question why build a space ship in space? Because they can and it's easier. Stuff doesn't weigh as much in space as on a planet. And since a titanium bike already weights about 9kg, a titanium plate with the size of a house will be to heavy to handle on a planet. Building the ships in space will probably go faster, cheaper and better because the titanium plates can be hold in place better in space.

  • 11.09.2012 2:14 PM PDT

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The story's made up and the cannon doesn't matter. Trying to follow it beyond Halo 1 is pointless. Read the books you like and enjoy them, but don't lose sleep over inconsistencies in the story. There are plenty of people on the internet who are content do do it for you.

The best way to enjoy subsequent campaigns is while drinking with friends.

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1.) Everyone drinks when some NPC climbs a box (Friend or Foe)
2.) Everyone drinks when Cortana or the Gravemind slows down time with their boring, poorly written monologues
3.) Drink when you die
4.) Everyone Drinks when the party wipes.

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  • 11.09.2012 2:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Atomsk A33
The story's made up and the cannon doesn't matter.

But the cannon should matter. They are heavy weapons after all.

  • 11.09.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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