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Subject: How could we explain MC's new H4 armor? And it is new BTW *PROOF*

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*ARMOR SPOILERS* (for people like that)


This is an image of most, if not all, of the armors in Halo 4. If you look through the armors you'll notice the Mark VI armor that you unlock when completing Legendary Mode.

It is very similar to Halo 3's Mark VI So why This drastic change?

Because it ISN'T THE SAME ARMOR!

So how do you think 343i will explain this new armor? And if they explained it, can you guys put me into the loop and how it fits into lore?

  • 11.05.2012 10:57 AM PDT

Ok I have no idea why it changed. I recall that the armour changed due to Nanobites (or some Nano -blam!-) Nanoparticles, I don't know. So Cortana used these Nano's to change the Chief's armour. Not my information nor do I claim it as fact. It's what I read somewhere.

  • 11.05.2012 11:21 AM PDT

According to information I've seen, Cortana used Nano-bots stored on the aft section of Forward Unto Dawn to upgrade and repair chief's armor.

Chief's 'campaign' armor is upgraded mark VI. Halo 3 armor is the normal mark VI.

The information page on waypoint last I checked outright says Chief armor has been improved.

  • 11.05.2012 11:29 AM PDT

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Not sure how nanobots are being used. Only the MKVII has nano technology.

  • 11.05.2012 11:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkestSeptagon
Not sure how nanobots are being used. Only the MKVII has nano technology.


The Mark VI also had nano technology, the VII just had a greater degree of it.

  • 11.05.2012 12:14 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: DarkestSeptagon
Not sure how nanobots are being used. Only the MKVII has nano technology.


The Mark VI also had nano technology, the VII just had a greater degree of it.


That and what I read made it sound like Cortana used some that were stored on FuD.

Listen, it's not a GREAT explanation or Reason, but it's better then 343 having A: zero. or B: "Oh, this is how Mark VI was ALWAYS supposed to look."

  • 11.05.2012 2:31 PM PDT
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Totally awesome!

Cortana/artistic liberty.

  • 11.05.2012 3:24 PM PDT
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343i said it was basically customized by Cortana.

  • 11.05.2012 6:55 PM PDT

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Cortana got bored. So she decided to take his armour off and check what was under the hood.

  • 11.06.2012 4:28 AM PDT

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Cortana got bored. So she decided to take his armour off and check what was under the hood.

*Nudge nudge wink wink.

;)

  • 11.06.2012 4:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkestSeptagon
Not sure how nanobots are being used. Only the MKVII has nano technology.


The Mark VI also had nano technology, the VII just had a greater degree of it.
It's like putting shiny new parts onto an old car; it still looks similar, but you know it's different.

  • 11.06.2012 7:20 AM PDT

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The explanation is artistic license. Halo 4 has a flashback cutscene showing the Chief wearing the H4 Mk VI Mjolnir without the chest gouge, thus post- Halo 2 pre-Halo 3 era. The old classic armor has been scrubbed from the canon, the H4 armor is Mk VI and Cortana makes firmware upgrades only.

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  • 11.06.2012 6:34 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
The explanation is artistic license. Halo 4 has a flashback cutscene showing the Chief wearing the H4 Mk VI Mjolnir without the chest gouge, thus post- Halo 2 pre-Halo 3 era. The old classic armor has been scrubbed from the canon, the H4 armor is Mk VI and Cortana makes firmware upgrades only.


False in every way, shape and form.

Said 'flashback' aka prologue also shows a large group of Spartans in Mark VI armor, divebombing from a pelican. It's not a canon battle, just showing they deployed and fought Covenant.

Also, Halo 3 style mark VI is IN MP. That means IT IS CANON.

Literally, Halo 3 = Mark VI. Halo 4 SP = UPGRADED Mark VI.

Mark VI classic style IS STILL CANON.

  • 11.06.2012 9:41 PM PDT

yeah boy!!!

to check out his nano technology... if ya know what i mean

  • 11.07.2012 12:29 AM PDT

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There are nano bots that appear in Glasslands which upgrade the Spartans armour on the fly with newer technology on the field. Brute power armour was in H3, not in H2, and four years is enough time to modify it to be more resilient against solid objects like the brute armour.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: DarkestSeptagon
Not sure how nanobots are being used. Only the MKVII has nano technology.


The Mark VI also had nano technology, the VII just had a greater degree of it.


That and what I read made it sound like Cortana used some that were stored on FuD.

Listen, it's not a GREAT explanation or Reason, but it's better then 343 having A: zero. or B: "Oh, this is how Mark VI was ALWAYS supposed to look."


Explain the Halo 4 intro then. Looks like MJÖLNIR as we know it was retconned.

  • 11.07.2012 2:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
The explanation is artistic license. Halo 4 has a flashback cutscene showing the Chief wearing the H4 Mk VI Mjolnir without the chest gouge, thus post- Halo 2 pre-Halo 3 era. The old classic armor has been scrubbed from the canon, the H4 armor is Mk VI and Cortana makes firmware upgrades only.


False in every way, shape and form.

Said 'flashback' aka prologue also shows a large group of Spartans in Mark VI armor, divebombing from a pelican. It's not a canon battle, just showing they deployed and fought Covenant.

Also, Halo 3 style mark VI is IN MP. That means IT IS CANON.

Literally, Halo 3 = Mark VI. Halo 4 SP = UPGRADED Mark VI.

Mark VI classic style IS STILL CANON.


I don't see how thats false 'in every way, shape or form'. Fact; Cortana does not mention changes to the suit physically and only says she changed the firmware. Fact; his chest piece still has a gouge on it just like his Halo 3 Mk VI.

The flashbacks clearly show multiple Spartans wearing Mk VI in the style of H4. A Spartan is also shown fighting a Brute Chief, and Brutes do not appear in H4, and Elites wielding Plasma Rifles, which do not appear in H4. This is not conceptual, otherwise why would 343 go to the effect of recreating these elements that don't appear in H4?

Personally I think the Mk VI of H4 is an artistic change and nothing else, with Frankie muddling the situation by throwing in the idea of nanobots. Nanobots which have never been mentioned before and aren't mentioned by Cortana or anyone else in H4.

  • 11.07.2012 2:46 AM PDT

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Why was Halo CE retconned? If you look at the intro cutscene they made it seem like Chief never had to change his armor in Halo 2?!

  • 11.07.2012 5:04 AM PDT
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also, the nanobot theory has a slight hole:

Why is the chiefs chest plate still damaged in exactly the same place as in Halo 3 if Cortana used the nanobots to both repair and upgrade? or surely one could argue the armor would need rearing before it could be upgraded otherwise that section of the armor is a weakpoint?

I don't think this transition was handled very well from a story perspective.

  • 11.07.2012 9:13 AM PDT

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The nanobot thing is really screwing up the canon. I think 343 just threw that in as a desperate last minute attempt to explain the armour.

  • 11.07.2012 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
Why was Halo CE retconned? If you look at the intro cutscene they made it seem like Chief never had to change his armor in Halo 2?!


Can somebody here address this?

  • 11.07.2012 2:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
Why was Halo CE retconned? If you look at the intro cutscene they made it seem like Chief never had to change his armor in Halo 2?!


Can somebody here address this?


Yeah that is weird.... you mean the bit where he puts his armor on with the lab technicians and Halsey gives him Cortana? Yeah very weird.

Its especially weird considering that 343 already retconned Bungies Mk V with the abomination from CEA, I honestly thought they'd reuse that new design in H4 as a nod to their own (cheap) work.

I think its probably that having multiple Mjolnirs would be confusing for the non-Halo fans, which says a lot about how 343 considers proper Halo fans, or that they just couldn't be bothered. H4 is a mish-mash of intense effort and artistic creativity vs cutting corners and copying stuff from older games wholesale.

  • 11.07.2012 6:58 PM PDT

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The only reason why the armor changed was because Cortana utilized prototype nanites in the Forward Unto Dawn.
The armor seen in the flashbacks look thesame because 343 didn't have time to create new models in CGI. That takes alot of time and is expensive to do. Its far cheaper to re-use models. Those flashbacks can't be taken literally, and can be used as a general synopsis for the war the Spartans took part in.

  • 11.07.2012 8:44 PM PDT


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also, the nanobot theory has a slight hole:

Why is the chiefs chest plate still damaged in exactly the same place as in Halo 3 if Cortana used the nanobots to both repair and upgrade? or surely one could argue the armor would need rearing before it could be upgraded otherwise that section of the armor is a weakpoint?

I don't think this transition was handled very well from a story perspective.


Is it a PERFECT explanation? No. I also ask that question. However, Nanobots upgraded the armor. Previously employed by a handful of SPARTAN-II assets, including the Master Chief, Mjolnir's Mark VI armor was the last iteration of GEN1 suits that were engineered for contesting rebel activity but quickly repurposed to deal with the Covenant. the description of Mark VI, in MP, which is very much based on the halo 2-3 armor. MP is canon, the armors is canon. Therefore, halo 2-3 Mark VI look IS CANON. In Halo 4's campaign, John-117 wears his original Mark VI suit, though it is drastically different in appearance from its Halo 2 and Halo 3 incarnations. This is because Cortana used nano-machines stored aboard the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn to repair and upgrade the suit Halopedian's comment on it.

It's based on THIS statement of waypoint In Campaign, players take the role of the Master Chief, the living legend of the Covenant War, a SPARTAN-II super-soldier wearing heavily modified GEN1 Mjolnir armor. If it's just the same mark VI from halo 2 and 3, then why would it be described as "Heavily modified"? If it was a complete retcon of the look, that statement wouldn't fit.


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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
Why was Halo CE retconned? If you look at the intro cutscene they made it seem like Chief never had to change his armor in Halo 2?!


Can somebody here address this?


Simple, it's a stylization of the human-covenant war condensed into a single battle. Covenant arrive, -blam!- -blam!- up, Spartans save the day. Don't view it as hard canon.

Several elements in the cutscene are different from how they canonically occurred. The most prominent is that the Spartans are all shown wearing MJOLNIR Mark VI, specifically the heavily modified version Cortana devised for John. Halsey could not have known this variant existed, and she has shown distaste for alterations to "her" armor.[1] Several elements of John's upgraded suit, such as its thruster pack, were also not applied to the mainline MJOLNIR models except as attachments, such as the built-in thruster pack the cutscene's Spartans use to slow their descent, which would have been useful to Red Team during their orbital drop at the Fall of Reach.

Some of the events can be assumed as representative rather than exact. When and where the battle in the city occurred is unclear, but it is likely not meant to be a specific battle; rather, it could be considered a summation of the entire war. Likewise, the scene in which Halsey presents Cortana to John did not occur as such, as evidenced by John's armor and him meeting Cortana by hologram; canonically, as seen in Halo: The Fall of Reach, John met Cortana after she was inserted into his neural interface for the first time. Overall, most questionable aspects of the cutscene could be due to Halsey's embellishment; elements that Halsey could not have known, such as John's unique armor, should be considered mere artistic license.

  • 11.07.2012 10:55 PM PDT

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Yeah thats what I'm going with; artistic license and a failure for attention to detail by 343. Maybe they just didn't want to show Bungie Mk V or Mk VI in those cutscenes because they view Bungies work as a competitor, and didn't want people to start reminiscing over a different game or losing focus on Halo 4. That sort of thing.

Also, showing the new H4 armor keeps it simple for everyone watching it, its only under scrutiny does it stop making sense.

Real shame though. I was really hoping that 343i would have the grace and class to give credit to Bungies legacy by showing at least a brief glimpse of original Mk V or Mk VI, or even the old UNSC logo tucked in there as an easter egg.

  • 11.07.2012 11:42 PM PDT

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