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  • 11.07.2012 8:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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I'll never understand why people want so badly to talk about illegal substances on the internet. Why is it such a big deal that we need threads arguing for it frequently?

Anyway, Bungie says no. This is Bungie's website. As the guest here, we should do the polite thing and respect their rules. Besides, it's stil illegal in most states, and as Foman said is ilegal under federal law.

  • 11.07.2012 8:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gioger
I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.
Why would someone argue about marijuana? I've never seen any heated arguments regarding different brands of wine, beer, hard liquor, cigarettes. Why would marijuana be any different?


Because it's still a Federal Offense.


I mean, I'm all for this sort of thing, but you all really need to chill out. You act like it's the downfall of B.net forums if we can't talk about this stuff. Not to mention, I don't care what anyone here has to say, because I know you all know jack -blam!- about any of it anyway.

Also, don't brush off the fact that there is a Federal law in play, because that has always been the main problem.


I swear, I would like to see the Federal law removed if only to shut up everyone who is for legalization for once, especially those who try *logical fallacies all the time.



*Prime example is the idea that, just because two states have made the move, the rest of the country will follow "soon enough." It isn't so, because there is a hugely large population still against legalization, NOT to mention the aforementioned Federal Government.


NONETHELESS, if you take a look at the above post, which is discussing weed, kush, ganja, or pot, you will find that it breaks the "No Politics" rule. That's the main reason why we can't talk about this stuff. I know, bull -blam!-, but it's true.


If you really want to talk about this stuff, why here? Why not on a forum made specifically for the topic? The replies on there will be a thousand fold more helpful than you would ever find here. Or make a private group. Sheesh, you all are so lazy sometimes, and expect Bungie to cater to your every whim.

  • 11.07.2012 8:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gioger

Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Gioger
I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.
Why would someone argue about marijuana? I've never seen any heated arguments regarding different brands of wine, beer, hard liquor, cigarettes. Why would marijuana be any different?
Well, there are some people who, for whatever reason, think Drugs and Alcohol = The Devil himself. I could start a topic on how the economy could benefit marijuana, and a couple things could happen.
Unless you are asserting that discussion regarding drugs and alcohol should be against the rules, what you just was completely irrelevant. Not every discussion between people with different stances turns into flame wars. If it did, then Achronos would have nuked the Flood a long time ago. Are you one of those "omg there are controversial topics on the public forums so im going to stick in privates for the rest of my life" members?

  • 11.07.2012 8:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Gioger
I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.
Why would someone argue about marijuana? I've never seen any heated arguments regarding different brands of wine, beer, hard liquor, cigarettes. Why would marijuana be any different?


Because it's still a Federal Offense.
He seemed to have disregarded that in his post and going forth with his stance that marijuana discussion shouldn't be allowed even if it's legal.


I mean, I'm all for this sort of thing, but you all really need to chill out. You act like it's the downfall of B.net forums if we can't talk about this stuff. Not to mention, I don't care what anyone here has to say, because I know you all know jack -blam!- about any of it anyway.No one is overreacting to anything.

I swear, I would like to see the Federal law removed if only to shut up everyone who is for legalization for once, especially those who try *logical fallacies all the time.You seem really asshurt right now.



*Prime example is the idea that, just because two states have made the move, the rest of the country will follow "soon enough." It isn't so, because there is a hugely large population still against legalization, NOT to mention the aforementioned Federal Government.Considering that the country is progressing socially at a fast rate. The rest of the country probably will follow soon.

If you really want to talk about this stuff, why here? Why not on a forum made specifically for the topic? The replies on there will be a thousand fold more helpful than you would ever find here. Or make a private group. Sheesh, you all are so lazy sometimes, and expect Bungie to cater to your every whim.That's inconvenient for me. I will complain to Bungie if they don't cater to my every whim. Now go play your piano.

  • 11.07.2012 9:04 PM PDT
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It's illegal federally, for ages under twenty-one, in public, and to extent, without a grower's permit; it's a political subject, and this is a game developer's website. Not to mention all of the attention seeker and troll threads, it hasn't been around long enough for people to legally obtain, and Deej has already clearly expressed his opinion, along with some moderators. So "you have no rights", would come into play, either way.

  • 11.07.2012 9:43 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.


Posted by: King Dutchy
You seem really asshurt right now.
You are the one who has made personal attacks against three different users in your last three posts in this thread. Grow up and play nice, or see your way out of this conversation. This goes for everybody.

  • 11.07.2012 9:46 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................


Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: King Dutchy
You seem really asshurt right now.
You are the one who has made personal attacks against three different users in your last three posts in this thread. Grow up and play nice, or see your way out of this conversation. This goes for everybody.


This is a prime example of why threads get locked.


I believe legalization is a step forward.
Pulling weed out of the black market and into regulated taxed sunlight is the best way to handle it. Let the despenceries grow it well, watch them for quality control, make revenue for the state, and let people pursue their happiness.

  • 11.07.2012 10:13 PM PDT

Ah, someone leaked. Now to find the leak and.... plug it.
With justice.

I use coup 5
Never Played halo 1 = Invalid opinion
Bloom isn't whats broken, its your idea of what good is and your opinion
Thats like saying uber nerf armor lock because like 20 percent of the community hates it. Oh wait..................


Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Additionally, if discussed within the context of Colorado, there's no reason it should be locked (like it was in The Flood last night).
It's still illegal in Colorado, and all of the other states and districts in the U.S. under federal law.


This will change.
There is no conclusive scientific evidence against it. The findings they do have are inconclusive.
Besides lets say it does have negatives. Nothing nearly as bad as alcohol or tobacco I never understood why it was banned in the first place. I normally stand by the Federal government but like -blam!- marriage i think this is a states issue.

[Edited on 11.07.2012 10:17 PM PST]

  • 11.07.2012 10:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

I understand why Bungie wants to keep discussion of the topic off of the forums, but suggesting that it would result in heated debates and/or flaming is somewhat laughable. The fact of the matter is any opinion can be contested and debated, so prohibiting discussion of a topic solely on those grounds is a poor policy. Furthermore, there is data available to show how hotly contested this issue is. Recent Gallup polls show that a majority of Americans favor marijuana legalization. The largest demographic of those opposed to legalization are those 69 and older - a group of which I doubt has many B.net users. Further analysis shows that an exceptionally narrow subset of interest groups are the ones funding most of the criminalization campaign. Again, discussion about marijuana is probably the least likely topic to result in emotionally heated exchanges.

That being said, there are a plethora of other explanations you can give to users here as to why the topic isn't allowed. The easiest of which is to simply say something along the lines of

"The Bungie forums are privately owned thus the types of things which can be discussed is up to the sole discretion of Bungie. There does not have to be a rhyme or reason as to which topics are allowed or prohibited nor do they have to follow a logical pattern. You agreed to accept these conditions when you made an account."

It may sound impersonal, but it silences those looking to exploit grey areas (different regional laws) and those nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. Providing a flimsy explanation along the lines of "it might result in heated discussions" only gives those people more ammunition.

  • 11.07.2012 11:11 PM PDT
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Why is this even a topic on a video game developer website? wtf?

  • 11.07.2012 11:28 PM PDT

I would think that this would fall under the "no political discussion" as well as the obvious "No discussing illegeal substance" rule, but in the end it's up to Bungie and the ninjas to decide.

And it appears that they've said no. Shocking.

  • 11.07.2012 11:37 PM PDT

There comes a time in every mans life... and that time is not now.

Posted by: LordMonkey
I would think that this would fall under the "no political discussion" as well as the obvious "No discussing illegeal substance" rule, but in the end it's up to Bungie and the ninjas to decide.

And it appears that they've said no. Shocking.

How about we compare marijuana with alcohol for a second.

They're both legal substances, they both are heavily influenced by laws regarding their consumption, sale, possession etc. So why have we been allowed to discuss alcohol on this forum, but when marijuana becomes legal, we aren't allowed to?

Ultimately it is the decision of the people that run the forums, and if they forbid it, then there is absolutely nothing we can do but abide by their conditions. I would still fail to see why it is forbidden (we discuss many things that are illegal/ legal depending on locale), but thems the breaks.

[Edited on 11.07.2012 11:50 PM PST]

  • 11.07.2012 11:49 PM PDT

Posted by: r c takedown
How about we compare marijuana with alcohol for a second.

They're both legal substances, they both are heavily influenced by laws regarding their consumption, sale, possession etc. So why have we been allowed to discuss alcohol on this forum, but when marijuana becomes legal, we aren't allowed to?
Social norms?

If I'm not mistaken alcohol is legal for anyone above the age of 21 in the United States. Marijuana is still illegal in most states, and more importantly outlawed by the federal government, which is the higher authority in this case (no pun intended).

But who am I to question our overlords here? I agree that it is in poor taste that such a topic were to be discussed here and I wouldn't have a problem with it being labeled as against the rules in which case, I am going to stop posting and go back to lurking before I warrant a ban.

Bungie says it's wrong, and I agree.

  • 11.08.2012 12:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: LordMonkeyIn regards to the legal/illegal discussion I'd like to provide a lesser known example.

Prior to 2012, it was illegal to import Kobe beef into the United States (many Japanese cows were infected with foot and mouth disease). Beef (a commonly consumed food item) has much less of a social stigma attached to it then does alcohol or marijuana. Would I have been banned for asking about where I could import Kobe beef into the U.S. a year ago? Would the moderators have even known my request involved discussion of illegal activities? Even if it was known to be illegal, would I have been banned seeing as how discussing beef or hamburgers or anything else would otherwise be innocuous?

Everyone here is trying to be clever by requesting additional clarification as to what qualifies as legal or illegal but the fact of the matter is that it is a stupid rule to begin with and almost always results in the moderation team having to backpedal and attempt to rationalize their way out of contradictions. I would image the perceived spirit of the rule is to try to inform people that discussion of universal illegal topics (things everyone would know to be wrong) is against the rules while certain other things may slide, but the fact of the matter is why even bother warning people at all if the rule causes this much trouble?

Ax it. Stop using it as a justification. There are plenty of other ways to achieve the same result (people not discussing the topic) through the use of a more logical argument.

[Edited on 11.08.2012 1:21 AM PST]

  • 11.08.2012 1:19 AM PDT

Posted by: dibbs089
Precisely. People will continue to poke at this idiotic idea, and others, all to test the limits and try to walk close to the line Bungie sets in the dirt. I fear that other members' mindsets are that it's funny to be a smartass and try to get away with breaking the rules, when such things are problematic for our community, our moderators and more importantly, our hosts. If the community were to steer away from these disruptive and potentially harmful topics, everyone here might enjoy themselves a little more.

Sadly, that isn't the case. What I fear is that this topic, and others like this, are going to go big, and eventually, lead to situations here on b.net, where problems are bound to erupt, and the community will suffer because of it.

[Edited on 11.08.2012 2:36 AM PST]

  • 11.08.2012 2:34 AM PDT

Welcome to the town of "Diligence." I'm Mayor Due.

Marijuana is a gateway topic. You let one thread go and everyones all" we need weed" and stuff.

Next come the more harmful topics. Usually starting with a couple innocent political threads, in the middle of the night when no one is watching. Usually on weekends.

Still a "functioning" topic creator.

Then you're missing work or school, just trying to argue how these posts and topics are better for you and the community/society in general. How everyone is wrong but you.

Feeling isolated now. Am I sick of this community and it's "rules", or is the community sick of you and your posts you wonder.?

Finally, in time, you find yourself alone and penniless. Frequenting wi-fi hotspots is the lowliest of places. Using laptops while people are in the washroom. Using laptops "in" the washroom. Just trying to get one quick post in.

Ask yourself...
Is this the life anyone wants?
Would you want this life for your children?

[Edited on 11.08.2012 7:22 AM PST]

  • 11.08.2012 3:16 AM PDT

Bungie will be taking over the world, so what they say = law. amirite?

  • 11.08.2012 5:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy
You seem really asshurt right now.
You are the one who has made personal attacks against three different users in your last three posts in this thread. Grow up and play nice, or see your way out of this conversation. This goes for everybody.
i sorry

i won't do it again

pwomise

  • 11.08.2012 7:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: edableshoe

Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Gioger
I never found much discussion value in marijuana-type topics anyway. The usually just end up in heated arguments and get you in trouble.
Why would someone argue about marijuana? I've never seen any heated arguments regarding different brands of wine, beer, hard liquor, cigarettes. Why would marijuana be any different?


Because it's still a Federal Offense.
He seemed to have disregarded that in his post and going forth with his stance that marijuana discussion shouldn't be allowed even if it's legal.


I mean, I'm all for this sort of thing, but you all really need to chill out. You act like it's the downfall of B.net forums if we can't talk about this stuff. Not to mention, I don't care what anyone here has to say, because I know you all know jack -blam!- about any of it anyway.No one is overreacting to anything.

I swear, I would like to see the Federal law removed if only to shut up everyone who is for legalization for once, especially those who try *logical fallacies all the time.You seem really asshurt right now.



*Prime example is the idea that, just because two states have made the move, the rest of the country will follow "soon enough." It isn't so, because there is a hugely large population still against legalization, NOT to mention the aforementioned Federal Government.Considering that the country is progressing socially at a fast rate. The rest of the country probably will follow soon.

If you really want to talk about this stuff, why here? Why not on a forum made specifically for the topic? The replies on there will be a thousand fold more helpful than you would ever find here. Or make a private group. Sheesh, you all are so lazy sometimes, and expect Bungie to cater to your every whim.That's inconvenient for me. I will complain to Bungie if they don't cater to my every whim. Now go play your piano.


There is a lot of text here, and all I see is ad hominem, which is, once more, argumentative fallacy.


Look Dutchy boy, you wont win an argument against me, because I'm on the same side. All I want is for people to stop their complaining, and let Bungie make the rules here. I'm sure the rules in play will see some sort of modification, but for the time being, while it is still a Federal Offense, we will still be limited in our discussion.

Say all you want about how "fast we are progressing socially," it doesn't change the here and now. If anything, you seem to have your panties in a knot with all of your posting, not to mention you just give these short little lines providing nothing to your argument.

I'd venture to say you're almost just trolling, but I'm not in the ad hominem business when it's a serious discussion.

  • 11.08.2012 7:28 AM PDT

Allons-y!

Urk's gon be gettin' high!

  • 11.08.2012 8:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: dibbs089
Everyone here is trying to be clever by requesting additional clarification as to what qualifies as legal or illegal but the fact of the matter is that it is a stupid rule to begin with and almost always results in the moderation team having to backpedal and attempt to rationalize their way out of contradictions. I would image the perceived spirit of the rule is to try to inform people that discussion of universal illegal topics (things everyone would know to be wrong) is against the rules while certain other things may slide, but the fact of the matter is why even bother warning people at all if the rule causes this much trouble?

Ax it. Stop using it as a justification. There are plenty of other ways to achieve the same result (people not discussing the topic) through the use of a more logical argument.


According to the much vaunted "Rules", I cannot talk about jaywalking. That, after all, is "illegal activity", though not in my country.

  • 11.08.2012 8:58 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

This is utterly hilarious. Back when we had dozens of specific "not this, but that, and here is the precise line" rules, people would dance and flirt with the line, create logical loopholes and do their juvenile best to "test the limits of the system".

It was a giant game of "I'm not touching you!" and was petty.

Now, that our hosts got tired of playing that horrid little game and being nibbled to death by ducks, they adopted a much more simple, much more broad and much easier to grasp (for some) "here's what's cool, here's what we're not so cool with" and for a while, people appreciated the leeway, breathing room and more simple to understand spirit (instead of the complex letter) of the "law".

But now the pendulum swings again and people are taking the simple guidelines and attempting to divine, spot, create and extend various "you didn't specifically say _____, so I think that it's fine" arguments.

Nothing's changed ladies and gentlemen. Bungie has guidelines, those guidelines are the same now as they were 2 weeks ago. The change of external factors is irrelevant, the inter-relation of behavior here and laws throughout the world is the same as it was (irrelevant). If a topic/post would get you banned last week, it will likely get you banned today. I doubt that anyone in the world goes to their respective polling place with the thought of "I can't wait to see how this changes how they operate on Bungie.Net." They don't, and it doesn't.

Enjoy the debate, have fun with the argument, but I (and I believe every one of my colleagues) am "business as usual" when it comes to this site, these forums, this community and the wishes of our hosts. If someone wants to test that? Fine. But don't think for a second that a logical house of cards is going to reverse my actions when my actions have always been based on "Do the owners of this site want to allow this?"

If you want to read more (and why wouldn't you?) here's what I had to say in the similar topic that was locked.

*looks at head of a pin*

Nope, no dancing angels. Must be the wrong pin.

You guys are funny, twisting yourselves all up in literal, figurative, and hypothetical interpretations of specific statements and their semantics in order to try to predict what "will or won't" result in issues.

*shrug* Carry on, have fun, but be advised that no matter how immensely logical or undeniable you consider your argument, you are ignoring the reality.

The part of the "what works here and what doesn't" equation that members DO have a say in is the report function. Nothing more and no less than that. The enforcement of the ToU, CoC, Forum Rules and what constitutes "in or out" are the role of the individual ninja (yes, and as a result, we are both subjective and inconsistent. lrn2adapt), under the authority given to them by our hosts. Not a single thing about THAT structure and code has changed.

But since it is clearly enjoyable exercise, please feel free to speculate about how you think that things "should work". We'll continue dealing with reports, and enforcing the models of behavior that we consider to be the desires and expectations of our hosts.

  • 11.08.2012 9:54 AM PDT

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Allow me to reply then (speaking only for myself, of course), without having to rationalize my way out of contradictions: if you discuss anything that I determine to be a violation of the set of rules Bungie has set in place, I will handle it how I see fit until Bungie tells me otherwise.

  • 11.08.2012 9:54 AM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

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